Board of Govs Meeting Updates-DAY 2

MDM said:
He was directing it at fans. Which is why one should hesitate to sponsor the idea by quoting it and then saying, "This," if it is not his or her intention to blame Sacramento fans.
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i don't think he was directing it at fans as much as he was directing it at sacramento as a whole, the same way a kings fan will say "we" when referring to a team they don't actually play for...
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
True that. As far as I'm concerned, contraction is preferable to moving to Anaheim.
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I don't care if someone thinks that moving to Anaheim is better than French Lick or Fargo. If they are moving from Sacramento (immediate Sacramento area/Sacramento County or nearby), that is the WORST case scenario. If they leave, it doesn't matter where. They are still gone.
 
I love the Maloof video (interview). You can sort of tell that Joe didn't want George to talk to the media. He mentioned "let's go" two or three times. LOL. My brother's friend is head DJ in The Palms and has some kind of management position at the clubs in The Palms. He said that George is one super cool cat and is a smart guy. I can see why he most likely did all of the talking at the meeting.
 
so the maloofs are off their game? In the long run they wont be able to run the team anyways... why not save face and sell now. FOLD!
 
Aenadin said:
so the maloofs are off their game? In the long run they wont be able to run the team anyways... why not save face and sell now. FOLD!
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It would be a noble thing to do. Step aside and let someone who's more capable take the reigns. They seem very stubborn though, like they'd rather run the team into the ground and destroy a once great fanbase than admit they don't have what it takes to run an NBA team any longer.
 
MDM said:
Yup. Joe was also motioning his head backwards at his brothers as if to say, "let's go," too. But they each ended up letting their mouths run and they had some embarrassing zingers. George with the "I don't think so" with regard to whether Sac would ever get another team. Joe with the "Tell Burkle to go back where he came from."
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Burkle gets to go back to billionaire island. The Maloofs get to go back to Bleeding Money-ville. If I were the Maloofs, I think I would follow him back to where he came from.
 
Warhawk said:
In case you really haven't been paying close attention, there is no worse outcome for Sacramento. Or die-hard Kings fans.
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Yeah there is, at least from the perspective of the fans who aren't fans because of Sacramento. The kings reach a broad area of the northstate that have no ties to the city.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
It would be a noble thing to do. Step aside and let someone who's more capable take the reigns. They seem very stubborn though, like they'd rather run the team into the ground and destroy a once great fanbase than admit they don't have what it takes to run an NBA team any longer.
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I bet you if our team didnt have both reke cuz and an Incoming top 10 pick they would sell in a heart beat. I mean the SACRAMENTO kings, would flourish under an owner with deep pockets... that team of reke and cuz and top 5 pick would allow them to go cheap again save money with the rookie contracts. I just dont want reke and Cousins esp the vets like Cisco to go move cause I know they have established their roots here already...

and the team swap with the hornets IS possible it can be done but I bet the maloofs dont want to cause paul might bolt the team or something... I'd say the just leave the NBA and focus on their ailing business they could still manage it.

ah pride the amazing things it can make man do... the stupid and stubborn things
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
They can follow the team anywhere. One city should be just as good as another to them.
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Exactly. Those of us in the Sac area have a vested interest. Some outside the Sac area have also said they want the team to stay. Those that are outside Sac and don't care, well, then like ROTD said, what does it matter where they go?
 
im from outside Sacramento.. well outside your country but I truly CARE about Sacramento and the Kings.... I haven't been there but one of my friends who is now studying here lived in sacramento and she said its an awesome place and got really homesick everytime she talked about it.... I really care about the city that represents the team not the brand or the name at the back. The capital of California MUST have a team.. its our team. Sacramento kings was the reason I got into basketball in the first place. and for them to be the anaheim whatevers is just wrong.

I'd be praying this Holy Week till easter, I know praying for something I'm not entirely affected is kind of wow out of there but I KNOW how it affects a lot of people in some way.. prayers can't hurt right.
 
The problem with prayers, though, is that no prayer in the history of man kind has ever been proven to be answered.
 
est.1999 said:
The problem with prayers, though, is that no prayer in the history of man kind has ever been proven to be answered.
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That's not a problem unless you believe that things can't exist unless they're proven to exist by scientific method. Take love for example. We all have people that we love, yet science can't prove that such a thing as love even exists. it's just something we feel and believe in. But that doesn't make it any less real.
 
ReinadelosReys said:
The relocation committee headed by Oklahoma City owner Clay Bennett, who moved the SuperSonics from Seattle three years ago, will research some of the assertions made by Johnson and the potential for success in Anaheim while competing against the Lakers and Clippers. The panel also will recommend a relocation fee the Maloofs would have to pay should they move.

Though eyebrows were raised with Bennett's appointment because of the Sonics' contentious departure to his home state of Oklahoma, Stern said there was no conflict and that Bennett had been chosen because he has been active in the Kings' situation and other league business.

"Maybe Sacramento will think ... -- although I don't -- that [Bennett] favors movement. In this case, he favors what's best for the league and the Kings," Stern said during a conference call.

Stern said Sacramento's problem was the outdated Power Balance Pavilion, not its market size. Johnson told owners Thursday that the city is committed to building a new entertainment center even if the Kings leave.

Stern seemed dubious, noting that the discussion of a new building in Sacramento is "usually an eye-roller" at the league because there's been no progress toward it for years. But Johnson's meeting also included a report from the group conducting the feasibility study for a new arena that should be completed by next month, and it made enough of an impression for the Maloofs and Bennett to recommend the extension.

"It was just felt that this was a good presentation and we should delve a little bit more to understand what its ramifications are," Stern said.

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He wouldn't predict how things would end, but hopes the committee can finish its work in two more weeks.

"It was sort of like a timeout," Stern said. "This is difficult, let's take some time here to better understand it. This is very important. It's important to the Maloof family. It's important to [Anaheim Ducks owner Henry Samueli] and the people of Anaheim, and it's important to mayor Johnson and the people of Sacramento. And so the committee wanted to do some work."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6362382
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To me, the bold text is very good for Sacramento. I used to think that the extension was in place to give Anaheim and the Maloofs more time to polish up there proposal but this seems to suggest that Sacramento is being given time to finish up their arena study and make a proposal as well.
 
Showtime said:
Yeah there is, at least from the perspective of the fans who aren't fans because of Sacramento. The kings reach a broad area of the northstate that have no ties to the city.
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Then why weren't they fans of another team to start? Why be a Kings fan in the first place?
 
Section 101 said:
Then why weren't they fans of another team to start? Why be a Kings fan in the first place?
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You know I just don't understand those who don't live here and can't imagine the feelings associated with those of us who do live here. They have no emotional investment. They have not put forth money for season tickets. I get that fans come from all around and come in all types. But catch a clue that this hits us deeper than it does them!
 
JB_kings said:
You know I just don't understand those who don't live here and can't imagine the feelings associated with those of us who do live here. They have no emotional investment. They have not put forth money for season tickets. I get that fans come from all around and come in all types. But catch a clue that this hits us deeper than it does them!
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Yep, I have a friend that lives in Reno and has season tickets. I know there were season ticket holders from chico, modesto and I think some in fresno too at one time.
 
JB_kings said:
You know I just don't understand those who don't live here and can't imagine the feelings associated with those of us who do live here. They have no emotional investment. They have not put forth money for season tickets. I get that fans come from all around and come in all types. But catch a clue that this hits us deeper than it does them!
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I think the ones that make the loudest noise are those that are a little closer to SoCal and can't contain their excitement even though they are "against" the move and then some other people just believe everything negative they've heard about Sacramento without knowing about any of the good. I moved on and found a place I'd rather raise my family but I'd sooner raise them in Sacramento before I considered just about anywhere else I have lived, including my precious Boston.
 
Showtime said:
I wonder if anybody actually comments about things which they know anything about. I suggest anybody wishing to bring up Shinn do some research into the move before comparing the two situations.
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I actually followed the Hornet's relocation saga closely. Shinn's problem was that he led a hypocritical lifestyle. He preached Christianity yet was hosing down honeybees on the side. That didn't go down well with the locals in the bible belt so it made sense for a split. The difference is that he was in favor of Charlotte getting a new team whereas the Maloof's comment about Sacramento never getting a new team rubbed people on this board the wrong way which led to the Shinn comment.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
True that. As far as I'm concerned, contraction is preferable to moving to Anaheim.
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But looking at it from a different perspective, this saga is exactly why contraction doesn't make sense. Yes, moving to Anaheim hurts Sacramento worse than contraction but an Anaheim relocation isn't the only option to contraction. You have the Burkle angle so if the Maloofs decided to throw in the towel, it would make more sense for Burkle to be the buyer as opposed to just having the league buy and contract the team.

There are always options that are better than contraction. Burkle is an extreme example in Sacramento's favor as it would save the team but even if you had a market that couldn't support a team or build an arena, there are always markets out there that will. The league has made it clear that Seattle was a black eye for the league so they're an option that's better than losing a franchise for nothing.
 
RookieOfTheDay said:
That's not a problem unless you believe that things can't exist unless they're proven to exist by scientific method. Take love for example. We all have people that we love, yet science can't prove that such a thing as love even exists. it's just something we feel and believe in. But that doesn't make it any less real.
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actually they have proven that love/hate exists, by studying the brainwave activity in certain parts of the brain, and the way the brain responds to those situations. not that it matters though.
 
Section 101 said:
Yep, I have a friend that lives in Reno and has season tickets. I know there were season ticket holders from chico, modesto and I think some in fresno too at one time.
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I sat next to some guys from Fresno and they made the drive without fail. Never gave up their tickets.
 
Section 101 said:
Then why weren't they fans of another team to start? Why be a Kings fan in the first place?
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I don't think you understand my point. There are a ton of Kings fans in the surrounding counties of the northstate. Most of them are not fans because of their ties to being a Sacramento resident. I myself live several counties away, and yet am a fan because they are regional, and because they played some of the best team basketball ever in the past. There are a lot of fans who are only fans because they live in Sacramento. Many people don't really follow the league or other teams that much, and only have a deep passion for Sacramento basketball. Those feelings have been echoed by those who would embrace another team moving here if the Kings leave, because they just care about a team representing their town. That's not the case for many fans who don't have ties to the Sac community. I would not like it if the team leaves, but I am also not of the number who only care because of the presence of the team in the same city in which they live.
 
JB_kings said:
You know I just don't understand those who don't live here and can't imagine the feelings associated with those of us who do live here. They have no emotional investment. They have not put forth money for season tickets. I get that fans come from all around and come in all types. But catch a clue that this hits us deeper than it does them!
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You are so ignorant. It takes more effort to drive two hours to attend a basketball game on a limited income than it is to drive 10-15 minutes. People have an emotional investment in this team who do not live in the city, or the suburbs. This is the kind of bubble many people perceive with Sacramento. They are in their own little world.
 
Showtime said:
I don't think you understand my point. There are a ton of Kings fans in the surrounding counties of the northstate. Most of them are not fans because of their ties to being a Sacramento resident. I myself live several counties away, and yet am a fan because they are regional, and because they played some of the best team basketball ever in the past. There are a lot of fans who are only fans because they live in Sacramento. Many people don't really follow the league or other teams that much, and only have a deep passion for Sacramento basketball. Those feelings have been echoed by those who would embrace another team moving here if the Kings leave, because they just care about a team representing their town. That's not the case for many fans who don't have ties to the Sac community. I would not like it if the team leaves, but I am also not of the number who only care because of the presence of the team in the same city in which they live.
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I disgree. The majority of those fans are because like you said it's regional. If they team leaves they wont continue to follow them just like the locals. They became fans because of the regionality not because they liked the team. Also, if they are truely regional fans they wouldnt support them in so cal.
 
Oh so now the fans outside of Sac are even better than those in Sac. That's friggin' rich.
 
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