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I don't know why this would preclude us from getting Yi (unless Bibby was our trade piece to entice the Bucks). It's not like Yi is going to be ready tomorrow.
Bibby for Gooden and Jones just doesn't make any sense from the Kings' standpoint. Gooden is an average PF at best and Jones is a journeyman PG, both are overpaid. The Kings are in rebuilding mode and any trade must consist of one or more of these four things.
1. Young players with a lot of potential
2. Future draft picks
3. Expiring contracts or contracts that expire before the ones of the players we give up
4. Willing to take on our bad contracts
This trade does none of those four things and as far as talent goes Bibby is a much better player than those two. The Kings already have Thomas and Shareef at PF and I'm sure Hawes and Miller will see some time there and now Justin Williams is really making a name for himself so there's no room there.
There better be more to it than this or Petrie really has lost it.
Not to mention I'd rather play a guy who averaged about 12 points and 8 boards in 30 minutes during the playoffs then a still unproven player(Williams) over the long haul. Williams can provide what we need in limited minutes but he still hasn't shown he can contribute over a lengthy period of time.
^Yeah, I don't know where the "Gooden is undersized" myth got started, but he's a legit 6'10".
The Kings are not dealing from a position of strength. Your list, while ideal, fails to factor that in.
I heard talk at one point that Garcia could run the point. I don't know if this has been addressed anywhere, but I think that would be a disaster.
Nevertheless, I like the idea of getting rid of Bibby's monster contract, even though I think it'll leave them a LOT weaker next year. Too many forwards, not enough PGs. But that sets them up for the next set of deals, and my thinking is the Kings had better be close to a buyout of KT's and/or Miller's contract(s). That would get rid of part of their PF glut.
Getting rid of Bibby probably means 35 wins is unattainable for next year, but I think it sets them up better for beyond 2008. Face it, they're a lottery team next year, so you might as well look to the future and upgrade where you can, when you can.
This is why I mentioned PLAYS small. Here is a short but impressive list of Kings bigs who blocked more shots than Gooden last year: Miller, Reef, KT, Cisco, Artest and Salmons.He's not long, he's not terribly athletic, he's not intimidating. Until he, like KT, started rebounding (which he does do well), there were thoughts he might be a 4/3 tweener.
An NBA guard sees Gooden in between him and the hoop and his eyes get real real wide. Layup!
Hey Brickie/Ryle/NBRANS, questions:
Who do you think is the best player that would "fit the team" best? SAR, KT, or Gooden? If you traded KT or SAR (if we got Gooden), would you still go for Yi or Noah? Also, why cant we get "cash considerations" like Seattle got for Lewis? They got like 9 million. What gives?
and big man Justin Williams having recently signed a one-year deal with a team option for a second season.
SO justin has been signed..sweet!Love bibby and all but its time to move on, so hopefully something gets done soon.
It's from the article linked in the first post.Could we have a site please?
Makes sense. Thanks for the response.The reason Seattle got something like a $12 million trade exception was because they signed and traded Lewis to a team under the salary cap (the Magic). Both Cleveland and Sacramento are over the cap, so it doesn't create a trade exception.
I don't think Gooden is a long-term solution at the PF, so yeah, even if you got him I'd still hope the Kings would go after young prospects. But if Petrie can't move KT and SAR there's basically no room for even a prospect. People might want the vets to ride pine, but if there's any hope of trading them in the future they're going to have to play. That means little to no time for the kids as long as they're on the roster.
The reason Seattle got something like a $12 million trade exception was because they signed and traded Lewis to a team under the salary cap (the Magic). Both Cleveland and Sacramento are over the cap, so it doesn't create a trade exception.
I don't think Gooden is a long-term solution at the PF, so yeah, even if you got him I'd still hope the Kings would go after young prospects. But if Petrie can't move KT and SAR there's basically no room for even a prospect. People might want the vets to ride pine, but if there's any hope of trading them in the future they're going to have to play. That means little to no time for the kids as long as they're on the roster.
They're definitely talking about a 3rd team in any Bibby to cavs deal, so therefore I HAVE to assume that Kenny and/or Shareef is dealt as well. Ideally, I'd LOVE to snag Joakim Noah from the Bulls...
Maybe the principles of the deal being Bibby to cavs, Gooden to Chicago and Noah to the Kings. The filler can be the negotiated portion of the deal I guess.
IMO it would be a simpler deal. Something like:
Corpse of B. Sura
brick: your trade purposal isnt likely at all nooooo way the C's add on salary (hughes) for expirings imo
I really don't think anyone is trading for Larry Hughes. He SUCKED in the playoffs, injury or no injury, and that's a massive contract. He's one of the most overpaid players in the league.
He sucked in the playoffs for a team that went to the Finals, and while playing injured.
I do not think he is a good fit in Cleveland, do not think that much of him at all. But to a team in the right position this is a player capable of considerably bigger numbers, and to teams in need of an extra talent boost to get over the top, it has to be a consideration. Orlando just dropped $126mil on Rashard Lewis. Boston just cashed out for 31(2?) yr old Ray Allen. They are not bright, and they need to win now to justify those moves. Talent for nothing, talent you cannot acquire any other way when you are in need of immediate wins.
Even if you assumed that someone saw something in Hughes (I personally wouldn't want him on my team if he made $4 million let alone $12 million), Boston and Orlando are not realistic. What, would he come off the bench in Boston? He's terrible as a point guard. And Orlando would have to give up just about every last tradeable asset they have for a swingman when they have a huge gaping hole in the front court.
And Huges is just not good. He's seriously overpaid, injury prone, not a very good passer, and only a good defender in his contract year. His deal runs through 2010. He's not going anywhere.
I'll still take a pass on Hughes, thank you.Hughes is awful in Cleveland because of their system. Which is primarily why they want Bibby, and want to get away from that system. Because it's also hurting LeBron's game as well. Bibby will make LeBron better in the long run, and LeBron will make Bibby's like pretty damn easy on the court.
Hughes is capable of getting 20 a night in a system that is predicated on movement. Which is why he played his best in Washington with the Princeton offense that Eddie Jordan was running. He's not a halfcourt player at all. But if you get him in an up and down fast breaking offense, Hughes is very serviceable.
Plus, Hughes is one of the better perimeter defenders in the NBA. On one leg he pretty much shut down Billups towards the end of that series betwen the Pistons and Cavs.
I'll still take a pass on Hughes, thank you.
I'll still take a pass on Hughes, thank you.