I mostly just wanted to nitpick the list; it looked like you just arbitrarily took a bunch of guys you didn't like, and declared them to be busts.
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Oh, OK. Yeah, I arbitrarily picked out guys here and there whose careers I thought nobody would be likely to defend. And you're quite right, Joe Smith may not have sucked as absolutely as some, but as a #1 pick, his relative suckage was amazing, right up there with Olowokandi. Like getting John Stockton at #16, Mark Price at #25, or Gilbert Arenas at #31, but in reverse.
this argument is stupid.
Noah won't be a bust. i'd take him in a heartbeat. he's another solid young guy who has heart. the only guys like that on our team are the youngsters, and Corliss. so i'd definitely take someone who you know is gonna put fourth an effort every night. it'd be nice to see since most of our starters phoned in this season.
Noah won't be a bust. i'd take him in a heartbeat. he's another solid young guy who has heart. the only guys like that on our team are the youngsters, and Corliss. so i'd definitely take someone who you know is gonna put fourth an effort every night. it'd be nice to see since most of our starters phoned in this season.
Agreed, I don't think he'll be a superstar or even an all-star by any means, but I think he'll be a good player in this league for a long time. A solid starter...if we had bad luck and ended up at 7-8-9-10 type pick and got Noah...
A roster of:
C: Brad Miller, Justin Williams
PF: Joakim Noah, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Kenny Thomas
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Mike Bibby, Ronnie Price
Is not a bad roster...if we had a Rick Adelman type coach, that team could actually be really good...
Noah would do the thing this team needs...Rebound, Defense, Passing, Hustle.
Scoring Options - #1 Kevin Martin, #2 Ron Artest, #3 Mike Bibby
Lock Down Defenders - #1 Ron Artest, #2 Joakim Noah, #3 John Salmons
Top Notch Rebounders - #1 Joakim Noah, #2 Kenny Thomas
, #3 Justin WilliamsShot Blockers - #1 Justin Williams, #2 Joakim Noah, #3 Francisco Garcia
Deft Passers - #1 Brad Miller, #2 Joakim Noah, #3 Mike Bibby
Dead-eye long ball Shooters - #1 Mike Bibby, #2 Kevin Martin, #3 Quincy Douby
The team really would have a good mixture of talents and with a good coach and injury free could really be a much improved team next season, a la Houston Rockets this year from last year.
Bricklayer
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You're doing the rosy eyed thing again. No, that team would not be really good either. Our 31-45 crappers are NOT just one good roleplayer away from being a 55 win team or whatever. And my fondest hope for this ugly disaster is that it has finally shattered those rose colored shades the front office has been wearing, broken their spirit, and forced them to wake up and realize that a full reconstruction is the order of the day. The only time Sacramento ever had a great team it was the result of a complete and total rebuild. What you are suggesting is patch #2131, and the Kings will be a minor league team forever if that route continues to be pursued.
Bricklayer
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Slim, I know you like Joe Smith, but as a #1 pick, he's a bust.
As an NBA player no. And if we're just counting who turned out to be a scrub or not, he was not a scrub (Kenyon should not be there either in that case) . But if draft position matters, Joe was definitely a Pervis Ellison type event for the Warriors.
As an NBA player no. And if we're just counting who turned out to be a scrub or not, he was not a scrub (Kenyon should not be there either in that case) . But if draft position matters, Joe was definitely a Pervis Ellison type event for the Warriors.
Agreed, I said a Noah and a GOOD coach away...the team was pretty good last year with Artest/Bonzi/Adelman...I figure Noah could replace what Bonzi brought to the table and getting a better coach. I think we could have a 50 win team with just those two additions and health next season.
Exactly.
That's hilarious.
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AriesMar27
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noah would be a beast on a team like the suns, wizards, raptors or warriors... but the kings? nope... i like him but he wouldnt help this team much.
Neither of us were claiming that he'll be a bust.
You can be sure that somebody in the top 10 is going to be a disappointment, just because it always works out that way. Even if some GM weren't going to misjudge how well a guy will play in the NBA, there are lottery picks who will go out and do something stupid that will end their career (Len Bias, Jay WIlliams), guys who will land a big contract extension and then become totally unmotivated and show up 40 pounds overweight at the start of the season (Bryant Reeves), and so on. Aside from a few who seem too high-risk to go in the first round (Glen Davis and Sean Williams, are you listening?), a lot of problems are under the radar. I totally championed Justin last summer, but give him a major drinking problem and he could be another Eddie Griffin. Since you never see scouting reports which say "Likes to down a pint of Jaegermeister before practice," all you can do is pick your guy and hope for the best.
The top 10 are all looking pretty good to me, I have no reason to believe that any one of them won't be a starter for years to come, and I feel sure that half of them will be stars. One or two of them will end up being disappointments relative to their draft positions, there will almost certainly be some Gilbert Arenas or Ben Wallace who goes way too late, and 5 years from now we can (and will) all say how stupid GMs were to pass over certain players in favor of others.
But I don't claim to know who the surprises will be. I only know that it's a great draft year.
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nbrans
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Something to keep in mind is that Atlanta is going to be under the cap and doesn't have to take back equal salary, so a draft day trade of Bibby for the 12th pick, straight up, or even something like Bibby for 12th and Tyronn Lue is an option.
I'd much rather a Bibby to Atlanta trade leave out Speedy Claxton given how horrendous he has been this year and how big/long is contract iss. Not sure if Atlanta would go for that, but no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of Billy Knight.
I'd much rather a Bibby to Atlanta trade leave out Speedy Claxton given how horrendous he has been this year and how big/long is contract iss. Not sure if Atlanta would go for that, but no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of Billy Knight.
The bust part came from migibizzle:
Since he posted the comment in a couple of different threads, it's my guess he was simply trying to stir things up...
And once again I have to ask what makes you think Bibby would waive his ETO in order to become even possible trade fodder? I can't really think of a reason why a team like Atlanta would even gamble on trading a decent draft pick for a player who could be a rental for one season before going elsewhere...
nbrans
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To answer your first question, Bibby's waiving his ETO no matter what, and who knows, he might want a fresh start.
Question #2 is much more relevant, and I don't have a good answer except that Billy Knight is their GM and anything is possible. Also, my understanding of their ownership situation is that they cannot take on long term deals, and Bibby would be one of the best available players with a short term deal, and might help them out with next year's playoff push more than the player they'd get at the 12th pick. But who knows.
nbrans
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He has a two year ETO and he has an opt out after this season. However, it's not out of the realm of possibility that he will exercise it before July 1st if he wants out of Sacramento, which would help facilitate a draft day trade. Not saying he does, but it's possible.
Bibby's agent, David Falk, was in town Friday. I saw him at the Jazz game. And BTW? He's a horrible dresser. Absolutely posterior-ugly peach-colored jacket over a blueish-gray shirt. Really fugly...
I don't think Bibby wants to leave. There's been absolutely NO indication of that, except from the mouths of Grant Napear and Sam Amick, who seem to want to use the "possibly Bibby's last few games as a King" as some kind of mantra.
Mike isn't unhappy, except perhaps with the coaching and some of the blasted media, and I can't blame him in either case.
If Bibby ends up being traded, I strongly suspect it will be AFTER the moratorium is lifted, not before. But we'll have to wait and see, I suppose...
I don't think Bibby wants to leave. There's been absolutely NO indication of that, except from the mouths of Grant Napear and Sam Amick, who seem to want to use the "possibly Bibby's last few games as a King" as some kind of mantra.
Mike isn't unhappy, except perhaps with the coaching and some of the blasted media, and I can't blame him in either case.
If Bibby ends up being traded, I strongly suspect it will be AFTER the moratorium is lifted, not before. But we'll have to wait and see, I suppose...
Speedy's contract really isn't that bad...it's already topped out this year and will gradually reduce in cost each consecutive season. I'd take him back in order to dump off Kenny Thomas onto the Hawks.
nbrans
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Claxton's contract is bad enough to land him on Hollinger's list of the 25 worst contracts -- a list that Kenny Thomas didn't even make. If they want to take Kenny off our hands, fine, sure, but Speedy's contract is bad bad bad. I mean, he's shooting 32.7%!! That's insane!
Heuge
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I am doing no such thing. I have no intentions of stirring the pot as you say. I'd rather not be marginalized like that, especially since this is the only thread I have posted that opinion.The bust part came from migibizzle:
Since he posted the comment in a couple of different threads, it's my guess he was simply trying to stir things up...
This draft has been touted as one of the best this decade. However, after watching these guys play against college level talent, my opinion has changed. (take Noah, Hawes, and Lopez for example) These guys were great picks last summer when the draft was touted as one of the best, but now their value has diminished.
Dont get me wrong, this is a good draft, I just think that it may be overhyped, and it may leave some franchises hoping to turn things around with this draft (ours include) very disappointed.
Erm, what? Look again. I specifically said MIGIBIZZLE was the one stirring the pot.
VF21 said:
I didn't accuse you of stirring the pot at all. The only reason your name shows up is because I quoted migibizzle in context. I did not mean to imply in any way, shape or form that you were part of it.
Add Yi Jianlian to that list as well. PLEASE!
Vlade4GM
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I haven't seen many people saying this draft alone will turn our franchise around unless we luck out with a top 3 pick.
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