Maybe in your small world there is only support players and star players. Not in mine. Don't impose your narrow vision on me. I certainly would not *start* the conversation with him being a support player. Wesley Johnson? Give me a break..."There is some truth in that though" (per Brick et al) Really? We're already going down that road?
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No dugh. No dugh that McLemore isn't Ray Allen yet. No dugh that he doesn't have Wade's handle yet. No dugh that he's immature and needs aggression. No dugh he's young right now. No dugh, no dugh, no dugh. Tell me something I don't know. What is insulting is immediately after the draft to have a conversation about him as a Wesley Johnson or a support player in the future. We just drafted the guy the Kings management thought was the best player in the entire draft and already you and your brood are talking about him being a support player Wesley Johnson type. Here's another "no dugh" for you: obviously there is no sure thing in any draft. But that doesn't mean we have to sniff, insinuate, dismiss, and minimize his game a day after the draft. And it's soooooo obvious why that is: He makes it more probable your boy is not going to be resigned. So now you're elaborating on all the weaknesses of McLemore's game because your worried, really worried that one of the key centerpieces of your vision for the Kings might be history. Too bad. Suck it up. And don't start ankle-biting on the #1 draft pick of the Kings in order to make yourself feel better.
"Dugh"?
Anyway, I actually agree with Gary, for a change. Presuming that our long-term goals involve an Evans/McLemore backcourt, I'd rather see Thomas and Evans as the starting backcourt on opening night, in part because I'd prefer to see McLemore be eased into a starting role, and in part because I'd prefer to see Evans eased into the role of PG. Contingent upon us not finding a better PG than Thomas, of course.
Start Thomas at PG alongside Evans to start the season, and hopefully make him a more palatable trade option, while also gradually transferring more ball handling responsibilities to Evans; with as long as it's been since he was asked to be a full-time PG, I don't see any downside to not throwing him right into it. At the same time, you give McLemore time to adjust to NBA speed and tempo, and hopefully circumvent the "rookie wall" by not overtaxing him in November/December. With any luck, Evans is acclimated to PG by MLK day, and we can cut bait on Thomas.
Anyway, I actually agree with Gary, for a change. Presuming that our long-term goals involve an Evans/McLemore backcourt, I'd rather see Thomas and Evans as the starting backcourt on opening night, in part because I'd prefer to see McLemore be eased into a starting role, and in part because I'd prefer to see Evans eased into the role of PG. Contingent upon us not finding a better PG than Thomas, of course.
Start Thomas at PG alongside Evans to start the season, and hopefully make him a more palatable trade option, while also gradually transferring more ball handling responsibilities to Evans; with as long as it's been since he was asked to be a full-time PG, I don't see any downside to not throwing him right into it. At the same time, you give McLemore time to adjust to NBA speed and tempo, and hopefully circumvent the "rookie wall" by not overtaxing him in November/December. With any luck, Evans is acclimated to PG by MLK day, and we can cut bait on Thomas.
What are you talking about? Are you trolling or are you drunk? You don't even make sense.
You've shown zero ability to comprehend what anyone is saying. And no, I didn't compare MLM to Wesley Johnson. If you want to debate that with Brick go right ahead, but don't lump a bunch of incoherent responses to various people into a single post which has little relation to anything I said.
And this has nothing to do with Reke. You've fabricated some asinine argument and ran with it. You're doing a phenomenal job validating the accusations that you're nothing but a troll.
You've shown zero ability to comprehend what anyone is saying. And no, I didn't compare MLM to Wesley Johnson. If you want to debate that with Brick go right ahead, but don't lump a bunch of incoherent responses to various people into a single post which has little relation to anything I said.
And this has nothing to do with Reke. You've fabricated some asinine argument and ran with it. You're doing a phenomenal job validating the accusations that you're nothing but a troll.
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has actually said that McLemore will be Wes Johnson or a Wes Johnson type? the only claim "detractors" like Brick are making is that his skillset lends itself more to being a supporting, 3rd option type of player, which is absolutely true. even his best case scenario of Ray Allen was only the third option on the two championship teams he has been on. or can anybody name a franchise guy whose primary skill was shooting and has won a championship as a the first option?
I'm considerably nonpussed on Ray's name even being mentioned here, and it has been repeatedly by lots of peeps...but wth? I mean just going down the list:
- Mac is a far far better athlete than Ray Allen was. Its likely his most special trait. Allen was solid, but it never keyed his game.
- Allen was a considerably better ballhander than Mac. During his prime he was half a PG in Seattle.
- Mac was a good shooter last year. But it was hardly historic. Maybe he'll be the next Ray Allen. But based on that level of college shooting production so could a lot of guys.
- Allen was never a great defender at any point. Mac's potential on that end is being highly touted.
- And just in general while I don't know Allen's high school career, he was a guard. Moved like a guard, thought like a guard. Did all guard things. Mac on the other hand is a converted forward, with both strengths and weaknesses in line with being a former forward.
I just find it an odd comparison without off the top of my head having an ideal one in mind. The guys I keep coming back to normally lack one of the elements of Mac's game. The shift down from PF to SG is rare. Desmond Mason for example was bigger, possibly even more athletic, good defender...but could not shoot, which is a real key to Mac's potential. Anyway...Ray Allen though? My scouting report on Ray Allen would have been all time shooter, excellent off the ball mover, ok ball handler, good passer, ok defensively, sneaky athleticism but not physical.
Oh and BTW in less hyperbolic terms, yes Kingster is right about one thing -- the concern and breakdown of Mac's game is inspired by the possibility the front office might have drafted him so they could let Reke go. If he's just drafted, but is no threat to cause us to **** up, then it doesn't change the analysis of his game any, but it makes it much less urgent. If he's just going to be added to the top of what we have, then he's either a positive or just a lost opportunity. But if now he is being added to REPLACE something we have, then an analysis is essential about how he measures up. In this case, sans ballhandling skills he is a flat out lesser talent than the very guy that he might be targeted to replace. That takes ooh look what we got in the draft! Down to ooh, look what we lost because of the damn draft. Same principle in play as was there with Beno for Jimmer. If we just draft Jimmer, we may have blown the pick, but we didn't damage the team to do it. But no, we dumped Beno to make room for the Jimmer pick, and screwed the pooch in the process. I am not remotely interested in a similar ****up being the inaugural move by the new front office. We are the Sacramento Kings. Zero chance to ever sign a star in free agency. And the chances of picking one in the draft go down dramatically the later you pick. You let Reke walk and 5 years from now you might still be struggling to try to bring back anybody as talented at less than a max deal.
- Mac is a far far better athlete than Ray Allen was. Its likely his most special trait. Allen was solid, but it never keyed his game.
- Allen was a considerably better ballhander than Mac. During his prime he was half a PG in Seattle.
- Mac was a good shooter last year. But it was hardly historic. Maybe he'll be the next Ray Allen. But based on that level of college shooting production so could a lot of guys.
- Allen was never a great defender at any point. Mac's potential on that end is being highly touted.
- And just in general while I don't know Allen's high school career, he was a guard. Moved like a guard, thought like a guard. Did all guard things. Mac on the other hand is a converted forward, with both strengths and weaknesses in line with being a former forward.
I just find it an odd comparison without off the top of my head having an ideal one in mind. The guys I keep coming back to normally lack one of the elements of Mac's game. The shift down from PF to SG is rare. Desmond Mason for example was bigger, possibly even more athletic, good defender...but could not shoot, which is a real key to Mac's potential. Anyway...Ray Allen though? My scouting report on Ray Allen would have been all time shooter, excellent off the ball mover, ok ball handler, good passer, ok defensively, sneaky athleticism but not physical.
Oh and BTW in less hyperbolic terms, yes Kingster is right about one thing -- the concern and breakdown of Mac's game is inspired by the possibility the front office might have drafted him so they could let Reke go. If he's just drafted, but is no threat to cause us to **** up, then it doesn't change the analysis of his game any, but it makes it much less urgent. If he's just going to be added to the top of what we have, then he's either a positive or just a lost opportunity. But if now he is being added to REPLACE something we have, then an analysis is essential about how he measures up. In this case, sans ballhandling skills he is a flat out lesser talent than the very guy that he might be targeted to replace. That takes ooh look what we got in the draft! Down to ooh, look what we lost because of the damn draft. Same principle in play as was there with Beno for Jimmer. If we just draft Jimmer, we may have blown the pick, but we didn't damage the team to do it. But no, we dumped Beno to make room for the Jimmer pick, and screwed the pooch in the process. I am not remotely interested in a similar ****up being the inaugural move by the new front office. We are the Sacramento Kings. Zero chance to ever sign a star in free agency. And the chances of picking one in the draft go down dramatically the later you pick. You let Reke walk and 5 years from now you might still be struggling to try to bring back anybody as talented at less than a max deal.
Not sure where to put this, but it seems the most appropriate place. Our FO's reaction in their war room to NO taking Noel:
I'm almost glad NO took Noel, because I'm pretty sure we would have passed on him for McCollum or Shabazz, which would have cost me quite a bit in terms of smashed laptop and TV.
I'm almost glad NO took Noel, because I'm pretty sure we would have passed on him for McCollum or Shabazz, which would have cost me quite a bit in terms of smashed laptop and TV.
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i was thinking the same thing the other day. had new orleans passed on noel AND mclemore, it would have upset me quite a bit to see the kings take mclemore over noel, considering all the defensive hype this new regime has been talkin'. if new orleans had snatched up mclemore instead, and the kings still passed on noel in favor of mccollum, muhammad, or any other guard available, i would have lost my **** altogether...
Vivek can have anyone he wants in the war room. Some of you really need to just step back and take a few calming breaths. Mullin may have been in there because he's gone through the process before. It could be just that simple. It certainly doesn't mean he's going to shove Pete out of his job or anything.
I see zero issues with Mullin/Richmond being involved if the evidence we have so far suggests they want a Reke/MLM backcourt and are targeting a SF like Iggy. Actually, couldn't really ask for a better plan than that.
And given PDA drafted Faried, went after Mosgov, and the GS contingent traded for Bogut, talked to KG and have been after D12 for two years I'd assume they value defensive bigs as well.
This is all very promising.
And given PDA drafted Faried, went after Mosgov, and the GS contingent traded for Bogut, talked to KG and have been after D12 for two years I'd assume they value defensive bigs as well.
This is all very promising.
This is impressive:
But this shows just how athletic he is. Don't remember ever having someone that can get up like him (that includes Crash). At the very least, he's going to provide some highlights and get Arco (refuse to call it STA) rocking.
He might actually be the most athletic two guard in the league...
But this shows just how athletic he is. Don't remember ever having someone that can get up like him (that includes Crash). At the very least, he's going to provide some highlights and get Arco (refuse to call it STA) rocking.
He might actually be the most athletic two guard in the league...
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