Before Oct 31 deadline/Jimmer news (merged)

Before the Oct 31st deadline the Kings will....

  • Do not pick-up 2014-2015 option on Jimmer

    Votes: 16 53.3%

  • Extend Vazquez contract

    Votes: 15 50.0%

  • Extend Patterson contract

    Votes: 5 16.7%

  • Pick-up 2014-2015 option on Jimmer

    Votes: 10 33.3%
  • Total voters
    30
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Chubbs

Chubbs

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#61
#61
RDub21 said:
But wait....he's our franchise player!! :confused:

In all seriousness though, he seems like a good guy who plays hard and wants to get better. Just doesn't seem to fit in with Malone's "vision" moving forward. But who knows....maybe Thornton falls out of favor with Malone and Jimmer gets some PT to prove himself.
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That is correct. he's a good guy. Just not an NBA caliber player.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#62
#62
gunks said:
I'll miss his obnoxious fans almost as much as I'll miss Jimmer himself.


Which is to say, not at all. :p
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Not nice.

As I said in the other thread though this really does not surprise me, and should not surprise anybody. Frankly his third year should never have been picked up either. That pissed me off when Petrie did that, as I saw it as wasting capspace for no reason and paving the way to losing Reke. And who knows, maybe it even in the end did. $3mil is just wasted money/caproom for a 5th guard.

As for the future, be interesting to see I suppose if we just use him as an ending contract to maintain capspace for next summer, just move him for a 2nd round pick to try to get some small return, or keep his contract around hoping to use him as part of a lager deal.

Oddly I think this should even increase whatever attempts have been made to get rid of the Thornton contract too. With Salmons in position to be bought out as a near ender, and Jimmer as an ender now, if we could just move Thornton's deal we could clear out all the money/spare parts contracts at the SG position by next summer and leave just M16. But a lot depends on Ben getting it together enough to start and hold down the majority of the minutes at the position. I truly don't think Malone wants Thornton, and the feeling may be mutual -- Thornton was in jail last time Malone was on a coaching staff he played for, got released to come and have fun chucking like a madman in Sacto, and then jail came and found him again. But we seem determined to keep him around starting until Ben is ready, although there is some possibility the idea is tactical, to keep Thornton's trade value up. If that's the deal though, we'd better start running some plays for him.
 
Kingsfan23

Kingsfan23

All-Star
#64
#64
Bricklayer said:
Yeah, not a huge surprise, to me at least.

Its why the Carl Landry signing was so particularly stupid -- they are in theory focused on clearing salary room for this upcoming summer. That means no premature extension for guys like Vasquez and Patterson, no option pickup for Jimmer etc.
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+1.... For as much good will and belief we have in the new management, the Landry signing is near universally panned and still raises more questions than it answers, especially in light of PPat and Hayes logging minutes
 
Padrino

Padrino

All-Star
#66
#66
treach1976 said:
Padrino, there are literally 2 (or 3 at most) annoying Jimmer fans at a time that make almost all of the noise. Just ignore those 2 or 3. Is it that hard? This mass exodus you are waiting for is only going to quiet a few voices that you could have quieted on your own.
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well, to be perfectly plain, i don't enjoy abiding individuals who root for a team because of an allegiance to a single player, and then leave the team behind after that player has moved on. i've been a kings fan my whole life, and i'm personally insulted by those who would prize jimmer's success over the success of the team, by those who insult this team and its fans just because their favorite player isn't seeing court time...

that said, "mass exodus" was not my phrasing. i was quoting another poster, and i made it clear that i'm not expecting an exodus of any kind any time soon. jimmer's under contract for the remainder of the season. he is a sacramento king until he is not. if he sees the court, i hope he performs well. if he doesn't see the court, so be it. the "exodus" of jimmer fans will occur naturally, as it did with most peja fans, most omri fans, etc. would i mind a trade that helps to expedite the process? of course not. i don't value what jimmer brings to the team all that highly, and i don't enjoy when player-fans come trolling kf.com...
 
annihilator_33

annihilator_33

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#68
#68
Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 15m
Despite not taking Kings @greivisvasquez option next season, source says any offer sheet he signs as a restricted FA expected to be matched.

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 14m
Source says Kings "feel strongly" about @greivisvasquez and expect him back next season.

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 49m
"This is a business decision for the King and they are doing what they believe is best for the organization," Jimmer Fredette said.

Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 48m
Jimmer Fredette continued: "I will continue to work hard and be the best I can be moving forward in my career."
 
Mass

Mass

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#69
#69
Kingsfan23 said:
+1.... For as much good will and belief we have in the new management, the Landry signing is near universally panned and still raises more questions than it answers, especially in light of PPat and Hayes logging minutes
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Actually after watching the game yesterday the signing makes a little more sense. He could provide some offense, which this team really needs, and he would be the only big able to score in double figure every night. I think the plan of the management was to move one between JT and Patterson this season, but now of course things changed.

About Jimmer, not surprising at all. This is the right thing to do. And I also agree about not extending Vasquez and Patterson. They will be restricted, so no need to hurry. There will be moves this season, I'm pretty sure, so it's better to have flexibility.
 
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pshn80

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#70
#70
I read some dismay, some disgust with management as well as some "good luck, Jimmer'. He's signed for this year, a free agent after this year and that's about it. You can play him, trade him just as you could before. You could also re-sign him. It probably is better for him because he is more easily a cheaply picked by a trading partner or FA taker. Is it good news for Jimmer's career?
 
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treach1976

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#71
#71
Bricklayer said:
Oddly I think this should even increase whatever attempts have been made to get rid of the Thornton contract too. With Salmons in position to be bought out as a near ender, and Jimmer as an ender now, if we could just move Thornton's deal we could clear out all the money/spare parts contracts at the SG position by next summer and leave just M16. But a lot depends on Ben getting it together enough to start and hold down the majority of the minutes at the position. I truly don't think Malone wants Thornton, and the feeling may be mutual -- Thornton was in jail last time Malone was on a coaching staff he played for, got released to come and have fun chucking like a madman in Sacto, and then jail came and found him again. But we seem determined to keep him around starting until Ben is ready, although there is some possibility the idea is tactical, to keep Thornton's trade value up. If that's the deal though, we'd better start running some plays for him.
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This makes sense to me....

I was a little surprised that Kings didn't extend because I thought that with Jimmer gone, Thornton becomes a really expensive (soon to be) back-up to BMAC. And, BMAC while obviously super talented, didn't quite look ready to start last night (it wasn't just the missed shots), it may be that he was just REALLY excited... (Big day for the dude!)

Anyway - the explanation above makes more sense.... btw - I was googling Marcus Thornton the other night and found this....http://fox6now.com/2013/10/29/marcus-thornton-pleads-not-guilty-to-multiple-charges/

*Spoiler Alert* - it's not our MT!
 
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treach1976

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#72
#72
Padrino said:
well, to be perfectly plain, i don't enjoy abiding individuals who root for a team because of an allegiance to a single player, and then leave the team behind after that player has moved on. i've been a kings fan my whole life, and i'm personally insulted by those who would prize jimmer's success over the success of the team, by those who insult this team and its fans just because their favorite player isn't seeing court time...

that said, "mass exodus" was not my phrasing. i was quoting another poster, and i made it clear that i'm not expecting an exodus of any kind any time soon. jimmer's under contract for the remainder of the season. he is a sacramento king until he is not. if he sees the court, i hope he performs well. if he doesn't see the court, so be it. the "exodus" of jimmer fans will occur naturally, as it did with most peja fans, most omri fans, etc. would i mind a trade that helps to expedite the process? of course not. i don't value what jimmer brings to the team all that highly, and i don't enjoy when player-fans come trolling kf.com...
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Fair enough Padrino... I'm backing off. Just saying, that's why boards have ignore, and it wouldn't take that many to get rid of the noise.
 
t-rex

t-rex

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#73
#73
t-rex said:
The problem is Thornton's not close to worth the value of his contract. He's much tougher to unload. Anybody need a Vinnie Johnson type for 8 mil per year? According to the Sac Bee, all summer the Kings management have listened to offers for Jimmer but right now are not interested in a trade. I guess that's so they can let him go for free this summer. My bet is the King's pick up the option. If I'm wrong, I'll own it on Friday.
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I was wrong. Best of luck jimmer. Here's hoping you play for the knicks. The team you grew up watching in N.Y.
 
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treach1976

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#76
#76
pshn80 said:
I read some dismay, some disgust with management as well as some "good luck, Jimmer'. He's signed for this year, a free agent after this year and that's about it. You can play him, trade him just as you could before. You could also re-sign him. It probably is better for him because he is more easily a cheaply picked by a trading partner or FA taker. Is it good news for Jimmer's career?
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This is a good point for all of the alarmists out there. It means that Jimmer has the chance to play (or not play) himself out of the league this year, or step up in Lin style in a time of need, or is easier to be picked up by another team. It probably means he makes less money next year - but I'd be happy with a 10th of what he makes now!
 
Capt. Factorial

Capt. Factorial

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#78
#78
annihilator_33 said:
Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 15m
Despite not taking Kings @greivisvasquez option next season, source says any offer sheet he signs as a restricted FA expected to be matched.
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The wording on this from Spears is unusual and possibly misleading. Vasquez did not have an option for next season - this year is already his fourth and final on his rookie contract. What happened was that the Kings and Vasquez did not come to an agreement on an extension to that rookie contract by today's deadline. By some reports Vasquez was amenable to an extension, but it would appear that the Kings either did not want an extension at this time or did not like the price.
 
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Cold

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#79
#79
I'm not sure why so many kings fans are against the Landry signing. Slightly overpaid but not by too much. Landry in 2011/2012 was the 2nd most efficient post scorer in the NBA only behind Lebron. His defense is subpar but he is definitely starter material. He gets buckets and he does it effortlessly. He is a slightly poor man's David Lee, which is not bad at all if you surround him with the right pieces to help him out on defense. Landry is the type who helps a team tremendously in the playoffs as we have seen in Houston and GS. I am VERY comfortable with Landry as the Kings' starting PF for the next few seasons. His contract is not enormous or super long that it handcuffs the franchise. The Kings are not starting a rebuild. They're into the advanced stage of rebuilding and Landry IMO is a great fit.
 
Hadlowe

Hadlowe

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#80
#80
Cold said:
I'm not sure why so many kings fans are against the Landry signing. Slightly overpaid but not by too much. Landry in 2011/2012 was the 2nd most efficient post scorer in the NBA only behind Lebron. His defense is subpar but he is definitely starter material. He gets buckets and he does it effortlessly. He is a slightly poor man's David Lee, which is not bad at all if you surround him with the right pieces to help him out on defense. Landry is the type who helps a team tremendously in the playoffs as we have seen in Houston and GS. I am VERY comfortable with Landry as the Kings' starting PF for the next few seasons. His contract is not enormous or super long that it handcuffs the franchise. The Kings are not starting a rebuild. They're into the advanced stage of rebuilding and Landry IMO is a great fit.
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Most Kings fans are against Landry as not naturally compatible with Cousins. They are both low post scorers, and if Landry is going to be a super-sub to continue the paint banging while Cousins gets a rest, then his contract is way too expensive for that role.
 
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randymoss1881

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#81
#81
Hadlowe said:
Most Kings fans are against Landry as not naturally compatible with Cousins. They are both low post scorers, and if Landry is going to be a super-sub to continue the paint banging while Cousins gets a rest, then his contract is way too expensive for that role.
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Landry will come off the bench where his scoring will be needed. He is already playoff tested so when we get there we will have a good bench with him leading it
 
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sqwalk

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#82
#82
Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo 49m
"This is a business decision for the King and they are doing what they believe is best for the organization," Jimmer Fredette said.

I'm not sure if anyone caught this, but Jimmer said "King" not "Kings". That tells me it was one person that made this decision. So who is the "King" of the Kings? That would obviously be Ranadive. Boy, first it was Smart that was racist and now Ranadive?

This racism by NBA management just needs to stop. Yes, I'm kidding. :)

Anyway, I hope Jimmer finds his way and latches on to a team who can possibly develop him and use his shooting.
 
ShastaKingsFan

ShastaKingsFan

All-Star
#83
#83
Cold said:
I'm not sure why so many kings fans are against the Landry signing. Slightly overpaid but not by too much. Landry in 2011/2012 was the 2nd most efficient post scorer in the NBA only behind Lebron. His defense is subpar but he is definitely starter material. He gets buckets and he does it effortlessly. He is a slightly poor man's David Lee, which is not bad at all if you surround him with the right pieces to help him out on defense. Landry is the type who helps a team tremendously in the playoffs as we have seen in Houston and GS. I am VERY comfortable with Landry as the Kings' starting PF for the next few seasons. His contract is not enormous or super long that it handcuffs the franchise. The Kings are not starting a rebuild. They're into the advanced stage of rebuilding and Landry IMO is a great fit.
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I think many are thinking of him based on his play the last time he was with the team. I guess they're forgetting that with the way the time was run before, very few had a chance to make the most of their skills?

Landry is a solid player
 
VF21

VF21

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#84
#84
treach1976 said:
This is a good point for all of the alarmists out there. It means that Jimmer has the chance to play (or not play) himself out of the league this year, or step up in Lin style in a time of need, or is easier to be picked up by another team. It probably means he makes less money next year - but I'd be happy with a 10th of what he makes now!
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Jeremy Lin is, once again, going to be coming off the bench. I strongly suspect his 15 minutes of fame are just about over.
 
Section 101

Section 101

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#85
#85
Capt. Factorial said:
The wording on this from Spears is unusual and possibly misleading. Vasquez did not have an option for next season - this year is already his fourth and final on his rookie contract. What happened was that the Kings and Vasquez did not come to an agreement on an extension to that rookie contract by today's deadline. By some reports Vasquez was amenable to an extension, but it would appear that the Kings either did not want an extension at this time or did not like the price.
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Ya lots of miss information out there. Grant thought Jimmer was restricted next year. He finally caught on that he's unrestricted now. One thing the Kings still have bird rights on Jimmer. This doesn't mean he will be cut or won't be resigned when it's all said and done.
 
Bricklayer

Bricklayer

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#86
#86
ShastaKingsFan said:
I think many are thinking of him based on his play the last time he was with the team. I guess they're forgetting that with the way the time was run before, very few had a chance to make the most of their skills?

Landry is a solid player
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Carl Landry is not a starter. Not for a good team. Not even for a bad team. He's 30 years old, and he's started 65 career games. Most of them with us, before he failed and was benched. We tried it, and found out the hard way he only does one thing well. Its actually rather drab watching it in a starting role. Starters need to do lots of things. Need to be able to play a full game, or if they are only going to play one end, it has to be the defensive side. Carl plays one end, gets his ass handed to him on the glass, passes like Marcus Thornton's only slightly larger brother, and generally is worthless if he's not shooting the ball. Now work him off the bench, and sure, he's proven to be a journeyman bench player who's already on his 5th team (we are of course a repeat). then the scoring focus becomes like IT or theoretically MT, "dynamic" because you control its application. You have him in a bottle labeled "break when in need of interior points". But one dimensional offensive guys rarely if ever should start. And they shouldn't start at all if they are to be paired next to DeMarcus Cousins, do nothing that helps the big guy, but take away shots in the bargain.

Yes, we had Carl Landry here before. But not just the same franchise. The same frontcourt. We had him here. We had DeMarcus. We had JT. We had Dalembert. Within half a year it was quite clear the very least valuable player of the whole bunch was the guy we just signed to a 4yr deal until a mediocre and undersized big man is starting to slow with age. Odds of that contract looking better in 4 years = 0%.
 
Bosnian Diehard

Bosnian Diehard

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#88
I think Jimmer can definitely find success somewhere in the NBA, just not in Sacramento. he can be a good 10th/11th/12th man in the right system, maybe on a team like indiana. He just doesn't fit well here, and it makes sense that we didn't pick up his option.

I definitely expect Vasquez to be resigned in the offseason, but I'm not too sure about p[atterson. Whether we resign him or not depends on future moves this season.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus

Mr. S£im Citrus

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#89
#89
Bosnian Diehard said:
I think Jimmer can definitely find success somewhere in the NBA, just not in Sacramento. he can be a good 10th/11th/12th man in the right system, maybe on a team like indiana. He just doesn't fit well here, and it makes sense that we didn't pick up his option.
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  1. First of All™, a "good 10th/11th/12th man" is almost a contradiction in terms. If a player were any good, he wouldn't be the twelfth man.
  2. To the extent that it isn't a contradiction in terms, system has little to do with it: if you work hard in practice, and you're not a disruption in the locker room, then you're a good 11th/12th man.
  3. Let's allow for the possibility that Fredette has a career ahead of him as an 11th/12th man, maybe even a 10th man... Any GM that would pay their 10th man $3M ought to be thrown off the side of a building. Declining his option was the right basketball decision.
 
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