Bee: Kings make offer to Wells...

[Kings113]

No. Sheed's not a good rebounder, and is starting to decline. He can play in the post and defend there, not the shotblocker he was, but still can block some shots. Whether it's Flip Saudners or not, Sheed's steadily becoming more of a jumpshooting big (similar to Brad last season).

The Artest/Sheed stuff/assumptions I don't think would be a factor.

Overall, nah.

 

[Bricklayer]

Not sure if this has been talked about, but what are people's thoughts on a signing Bonzi and then shipping him and KT to Detroit for Rasheed. Sheed would instantly give us someone who can defend the post and play with his back to the basket, but then there are a ton of other issues to go along with his positives.

One of them being that he and SAR together would get whipped on the glass by Lisa Leslie. Badly.

Sheed can still play, but he's 32, and we already have a 15pt 6reb "power" forward on the roster.

 

[kingkung]

One of them being that he and SAR together would get whipped on the glass by Lisa Leslie. Badly.

No they wouldn't.

 

[walker60]

No they wouldn't.

Well maybe not by herself, but let's say that we throw her and Lauren Jackson together. Then Sheed and SAR are gonna get a run for their money.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Just got back from vacation. Didn't know things were so pessimistic here.

Considering that the big man FAs are all gone now, I'd think that the Maloofs/Petrie realize that they must resign Bonzi now or risk the offseason becoming a complete disaster.

As for a sign and trade? I'd take Sheed over Foster/Pacers PG. Don't think much of either, really. I was all excited about Joel when I saw his mug on the cover of Bee sports, but now that he's back in Portland, I feel that the Kings better resign Bonzi or this summer's a loss. Although he is a bad contract waiting to happen.

 

[BigWaxer]

Sheed is just one of them players I cannot stand. Nothing about his skills - just don't like the guy.

I think the market is starting to already dry up on the slim pickens. I am not high on signing Bonzi just to keep him but considering what is left, what the market is dictating I think he is almost at a must sign now.

 

[Kings113]

Even we somehow don't re-sign Bonzi, there are still trades. Which is where Petrie does most of his damage, and has.

 

[BigWaxer]

Even we somehow don't re-sign Bonzi, there are still trades. Which is where Petrie does most of his damage, and has.

agree to a point. At some point Petrie's non action in the off-season is starting to get to me.

We are turning into the trailblazers... slowly but its happening. Just keep that quote for safe keeping in the future.

 

[Kings113]

It's 4 days into the off-season.

Don't get or care about the Blazers-reference based on our roster and how we don't need that much to fill our needs.

 

[BigWaxer]

I don't agree. I love how people say we are one or two players away.

We are one BIG piece away and some role players. Bottom line nothing to really argue about that. And yes Petrie is doing the same thing here as he did with Portland, history is something to concern myself with

 

[Kings113]

Well, I meant from getting back to being a top team first. Not the championship, obviously a big piece away from that.

I just think being compared to any of Portland's medicore/declining teams of the past is ridiculous.

 

[BigWaxer]

Well I agree and I don't. Just looking at Petries past, what is going on now and the type of players he continues to bring in is very close to mirroring his past.

Petrie has had a free pass for years. I am ready to cash that free pass in. My entire point on everything I say is championship or bust. I don't simply want a good team. I want a team that wins it all. I expect a ring and want a team thats only goal is to get a ring.

Well if that is there goal prove it to me.

 

[Gary]

I would like to have Wells, but I don't think we should sign him. He will be too expensive and might be a liability against the cap a couple years from now. The most I wanted to sign him for was a 3 year 21 million. One year starting at the most and the last two off the bench.

But no way he would accept that kind of offer so I will say no to Wells.

Miller, SAR, Artest, Martin, Bibby is a fine team. The players know their roles, and play them well.

 

[BigWaxer]

Miller, SAR, Artest, Martin, Bibby is a fine team. The players know their roles, and play them well.

But still not a team that can honestly contend for a ring. I am not sure but am I the only one that wants a team that only cares about one thing?

All my favorite teams, NFL, NCAA (football,basketball) MLB all want to win a ring. Of course they don't every year or every 5 years. But thats all they care about and strive for. My entire view on sports has always been, why root for a team that doesn't want to win it all?

As as fan all I want is a team that is dedicated to reaching the top. There is no better feeling then when your team does just that after waiting your entire life.

All I ask is that the kings/petrie give us a chance to do that. While I say that I understand we are kinda in a bunch with our current cap situation.

 

[Gary]

Even with Wells we wouldn't contend for a ring this year. That is why I am on the side of developing our talent while we can. We have a good core of players and if the young guys can get some time on the floor who knows what might happen.

 

[SacTownKid]

What is a "BIG" piece, or better who? I honestly think Ron Artest is that "BIG" piece. And if Bonzi is signed and we get some tough big man role players then we are good to go.

I mean look who won the West! The Mavs are a good team but we have as much talent as them.

 

[Kings113]

I think you have to not jump to absolute conclusions, and at least see whats going on in October. To a degree, then, predictions are more fit.

On another thing, saying were not gonna do much this off season when there are almost 3 months left in it, is just quite ridiculous.

 

[Gary]

Yes, Artest is a big piece to the puzzle. As is Bibby.

Wells would be a great piece of the puzzle but the only think that's holding me back is how much $$ he will want. If we got him at 6-8 mil a year and 3 years go for it!

 

[BigWaxer]

Artest as of now is not that superstar to bring us the ring. Give me another slice IE KG or something but Artest needs to vastly improve his offensive game before I go with that.

 

[Kings113]

We haven't been able to see the guy the last two years play near a full season for obvious reasons... he looked awesome to start off 2004. Similar for the start of 2005 (longer obviously).

He worked on his jumper last summer, said it felt good, and it looked good in Indy. But obviously the 1 month and a half off hindered his game shape, just practicing at gyms around the country, and still played well and on a high level for us.

Anyway, I think he's an excellent player, and can possibly be that guy. But obviously needs help, lol.

 

[Troy]

We haven't been able to see the guy the last two years play near a full season for obvious reasons... he looked awesome to start off 2004. Similar for the start of 2005 (longer obviously).

He worked on his jumper last summer, said it felt good, and it looked good in Indy. But obviously the 1 month and a half off hindered his game shape, just practicing at gyms around the country, and still played well and on a high level for us.

Anyway, I think he's an excellent player, and can possibly be that guy. But obviously needs help, lol.

We need 1 more superstar besides Artest to go all the way. Look at most if not all the teams that win and you'll see 2 players playing unbelievably. Jordan/Pippen Duncan/Parker/Jinobly Wade/Shaq Shaq/Cobie Malone/Stockton etc etc

We have a huge need at the 4/5 spot and until we get a superstar there, we aren't going all the way. KG would be awesome, but I don't want to give up the whole team trying to get him. Bibby and Miller can be good, but are not true superstars, they sometimes show, but are 2nd/3rd tier guys.

You don't see a Michael Jordan type of player very often, but now we have some great players in the league like Wade, Lebron, Kobie that really carry their teams. I don't know if Artest/Wells wins it for us, but it sure is fun to watch at least.

 

[SacTownKid]

Rather than talking about how we need a superstar I say we look at our playoff series with the Spurs, who were without a doubt a top 3 team in the NBA last season.

That series showed me we are far less than a "superstar" away from competing for a title. What we needed more of was a) experience b) size c) shooting off the bench. Those can be done, sure it could be KG, but its doesn't have to be.

GO KINGS!!!

BTW Are Parker and Manu "superstars"?

 

[Kings113]

No, they're not, and I was just about to post about that... and the Pistons didn't have a superstar either. The Spurs won it in 2005 with depth, defense, being able to play any style, Manu's emergence as a very good player and all-star, and of course Duncan and Pop. Age, a tough 1st round series (we definitely had an effect on them) and injuries lead them not to winning it this year.

Artest carried us, obviously with a lot of help, but he was the main reason for our turn-around. Without him, we'd have a guy like Rudy Gay/Foye/Roy/O'Bryant/Morrison/Ty Thomas/Aldridge on our team.

Who knows what happens this off-season, who knows what these future Kings teams can do. I think the future is bright, and at least getting back to the tops of the league, and being in the mix again with that "window".

 

[Bricklayer]

Rather than talking about how we need a superstar I say we look at our playoff series with the Spurs, who were without a doubt a top 3 team in the NBA last season.

That series showed me we are far less than a "superstar" away from competing for a title. What we needed more of was a) experience b) size c) shooting off the bench. Those can be done, sure it could be KG, but its doesn't have to be.

GO KINGS!!!

BTW Are Parker and Manu "superstars"?

No but Duncan is, or was, and Ron is not.

Hence our need. The only team to do it without one in the last 30 years was the Pistons, who in the end ended up being one year wonders.

Getting beat in 6 games, on your home floor, in the first round, while extednding the series on the strength of an absolutely astounding superstaresque effort from a player who is not and will not be able to duplicate it is no sign that you are knocking on the door. Showed we had potential, but the situation is very similar to Denver last year. They got confused about how good they were after the strong finish and sat on their hands and did not address their weaknesses, and they stalled out and lost their momentum. If we do the same thing, its likely the same thing happens to us.

As an aside, it is rarely just about total top to bottom talent when it comes to being an elite team. Otherwise the Knicks would be right there. Its about how that talent is distributed, having 1 or more overwhelming players that the other team cannot stop, and having high level roleplayers to take care of all the dirty work.

 

[hammystyle]

No but Duncan is, or was, and Ron is not.
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Ron definitely could be if he can get more than a half-season underneath his belt.

 

[Burrito06]

No but Duncan is, or was, and Ron is not.

Hence our need. The only team to do it without one in the last 30 years was the Pistons, who in the end ended up being one year wonders.

Getting beat in 6 games, on your home floor, in the first round, while extednding the series on the strength of an absolutely astounding superstaresque effort from a player who is not and will not be able to duplicate it is no sign that you are knocking on the door. Showed we had potential, but the situation is very similar to Denver last year. They got confused about how good they were after the strong finish and sat on their hands and did not address their weaknesses, and they stalled out and lost their momentum. If we do the same thing, its likely the same thing happens to us.

As an aside, it is rarely just about total top to bottom talent when it comes to being an elite team. Otherwise the Knicks would be right there. Its about how that talent is distributed, having 1 or more overwhelming players that the other team cannot stop, and having high level roleplayers to take care of all the dirty work.

Congrats on the 10,000 post.

 

[SCKingsfan]

We need 1 more superstar besides Artest to go all the way. Look at most if not all the teams that win and you'll see 2 players playing unbelievably. Jordan/Pippen Duncan/Parker/Jinobly Wade/Shaq Shaq/Cobie Malone/Stockton etc etc

Malone/Stockton never went all the way

 

[Kings113]

No but Duncan is, or was, and Ron is not.
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Ron definitely could be if he can get more than a half-season underneath his belt.

I agree, and think from now on, that it finally starts to happen after the last year and a half of things that have changed and happened with him.

 

[Kings113]

"Talks continue between the Nuggets and Williams Phillips, agent for free-agent guard Bonzi Wells, who likely would have to be acquired in a sign-and-trade. Phillips declined comment other to reiterate Denver's interest." Rocky Mountain News

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_4825096,00.html

lol, he's holding on to any other option he can get

Could be whats holding it up, or is being rehashed from before... regardless, I still see us ultimately keeping him.

Why the hell is Denver interested in him if he isn't a shooter... quality SG or not. Plus he doesn't like the air there

 

[Sac.Kings]

On Benmaller.com, it says that Bonzi was offered a 5 year $36 million contract. He also reportedly wants more.