And that is where the counteroffer comes in. Depending on what the S&T offers might be, we may be able to get him relatively cheaply....
Go, GP, go! And get us KG while you're at it!
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And that is where the counteroffer comes in. Depending on what the S&T offers might be, we may be able to get him relatively cheaply....
Go, GP, go! And get us KG while you're at it!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
So like I said in another thread, bump it to $40 -- that puts you way above the MLE and likely takes those offers out of consideration, and it helps keep your returning player happy.
AleksandarN
Starter
I have a feeling Bonzi is not going to resign with us. If that is the case I hope we get something good in a S&T deal.
Wow... So cheap. Nene got 10 mil per year, and Kings offered less than 7mil to Wells? I think that's reasonable, because it's the best offer which Wells can choose. But... wow.
I think this is precursor of sing and trade.
The frontoffice said something like this.
"Hey, We can give you 7mil/yr at most. If you want to play with us, just accept it, please. Or if you want more money, we can suggest better contract to you via sign and trade. "
I think this is precursor of sing and trade.
The frontoffice said something like this.
"Hey, We can give you 7mil/yr at most. If you want to play with us, just accept it, please. Or if you want more money, we can suggest better contract to you via sign and trade. "
Jkbiker
Starter
Ok so if Kings made an offer of 36 mil which is I guess is about 6 mil more than the MLE is that really a "fair offer" that Bonzi wants from the Kings or just more that is needed to exclude MLE offers.
If you load the 36 mil on the back end using the 8% max increase
that is a salary over the 5 years ranging from 6.2 to 8.4 Mil. im not sure if that offer is not in the insulting range?
Last Year Bonzi made 8 Mil, is there anyone here that thinks he was overpaid for all the heart and effort, rebounding he gave this club?
You reward this kind of player with 1.8 mil less salary?
Now granted, if agent countered with 8.5 mil (reports that Bonzi wants more salary) and 8% that is 8.5 to 11.5 mil over 5 years for 50 Mil total, Yes I think that is overpaying Bonzi. I feel the problem is in the 8% annual Increase.
My Reccomendation to GP is make another counter at 8.3 mil but use an annual increase of 4%. Salary 8.3 to 9.7 over 5 yrs = total 45Mil
This way Bonzi still gets a raise 8 mil to 8.3 mil. 9 mil ave over 5 years I feel is very fair salary.
45 Mil way more than than 30 mil MLE
After 2 years Kmart will be ready to start, 9 mil to 9.7 mil on 3 yrs left on Bonzi's contract is very tradeable, if Bonzi does not decline over
next two yrs. So we have an excellent starter, a good trading piece avail over next 2 yrs.
Doing a sign and trade for 2-3 subpar role players that could be traded in the future ( see indiana senarios), did we learn nothing from Webber trade?
MAKE THE DEAL GP!!!
We need Bonzi to start next year, we need him as a future trade piece on a deal we want, not a S&T.
We cant rely on summer camp guys to help our front line
But if we are loaded at the 2 spot with backups
and another team is loaded at the PF/C and have a need for a SG
We might score someday on getting a quality Big for maybe a Bonzi/KT combo trade, 9 mil and 6 mil for a real quality Big that is unhappy/or malcontent (We love those stars that need second chances)
Pull the trigger GP!
If you load the 36 mil on the back end using the 8% max increase
that is a salary over the 5 years ranging from 6.2 to 8.4 Mil. im not sure if that offer is not in the insulting range?
Last Year Bonzi made 8 Mil, is there anyone here that thinks he was overpaid for all the heart and effort, rebounding he gave this club?
You reward this kind of player with 1.8 mil less salary?
Now granted, if agent countered with 8.5 mil (reports that Bonzi wants more salary) and 8% that is 8.5 to 11.5 mil over 5 years for 50 Mil total, Yes I think that is overpaying Bonzi. I feel the problem is in the 8% annual Increase.
My Reccomendation to GP is make another counter at 8.3 mil but use an annual increase of 4%. Salary 8.3 to 9.7 over 5 yrs = total 45Mil
This way Bonzi still gets a raise 8 mil to 8.3 mil. 9 mil ave over 5 years I feel is very fair salary.
45 Mil way more than than 30 mil MLE
After 2 years Kmart will be ready to start, 9 mil to 9.7 mil on 3 yrs left on Bonzi's contract is very tradeable, if Bonzi does not decline over
next two yrs. So we have an excellent starter, a good trading piece avail over next 2 yrs.
Doing a sign and trade for 2-3 subpar role players that could be traded in the future ( see indiana senarios), did we learn nothing from Webber trade?
MAKE THE DEAL GP!!!
We need Bonzi to start next year, we need him as a future trade piece on a deal we want, not a S&T.
We cant rely on summer camp guys to help our front line
But if we are loaded at the 2 spot with backups
and another team is loaded at the PF/C and have a need for a SG
We might score someday on getting a quality Big for maybe a Bonzi/KT combo trade, 9 mil and 6 mil for a real quality Big that is unhappy/or malcontent (We love those stars that need second chances)
Pull the trigger GP!
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
Fans are so generous with Owners money.
I don't think it's an insult to make an opening offer that is 20% higher than anything anyone else can offer. As Brick has said above, and others have said from the beginning, we thought an offer of something around 5/$40 million might be appropriate.
I think there's still wiggle room, but I think Petrie is going to play hardball just as much as the agents do.
If Bonzi wants to stay, then he can tell his agent to make the deal work. Look at what others have done before him. It's not as though the Kings aren't making a fair offer; they're just not going to give away the store.
Am I only one who is reminding of KG rumor-Wells, KT, and Miller-, again?
As soon as I saw the offer, I suspect it may be sign and trade deal. But with whom? Kings need elite PF, but there are no teams with that PF which want Wells.
Well... wait and see. But I'll not surprised to hear the sign and trade deal.
As soon as I saw the offer, I suspect it may be sign and trade deal. But with whom? Kings need elite PF, but there are no teams with that PF which want Wells.
Well... wait and see. But I'll not surprised to hear the sign and trade deal.
hammystyle
Starter
One difference is between a 23 year old big man and a 29 year old guard. The other difference is between a smart offer and a dumb offer.
hammystyle
Starter
Insulting? No way.
1) We gave him 5 years, which IMO opinion is questionable, but hey, I can live with it.
2) Its more than any competitor can offer and about what he's worth. Slightly below Cuttino's contract last year who is not as good as Bonzi when Bonzi's at his best, but a much more consistent and productive contributor over his career.
3) You don't have to increase salary over the life of the contract. If he wants to make 8 million this year that's fine, but that doesn't mean he's worth 9.7 in year 5. If you go with the 5y/40m deal people seem content with, he can make 8 every year and he will probably end up being slightly underpaid this year (hopefully) and still pretty well overpaid in the 5th year (likely).
4) His value is not likely to go up from here. So in your scenario where he is 32 and giving up his starting spot to Martin, the 3y/27 million he'll have left will be untradable.
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nbrans
All-Star
^No one in the NBA is paid based on what they are worth, they are paid what the market will bear. And since there is scant interest out there from teams that can pay more than what the Kings can offer, 5 years/$36 million makes a whole lot of sense. It's what the market says is Bonzi's price. Bonzi said he wanted to stay in Sacramento. Well, let's see.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
True.
The deal seems very fair to me. And I can't see any other team paying him more. And as said earlier, big men are treated differently. Look at the draft this year. So many big guys taken earlier then they should have and maybe 1 or 2 will actually pan out.
hammystyle
Starter
I agree completely. Although if we bump him up to 5y/40m to keep him happy by not taking a pay cut, I'd be okay with that too.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
And now you likely bump it to $40 ANYWAY (especially given the counteroffer) in order to avoid at all costs having a guy come back unhappy and feeling like his arm has been twisted. Barring serious competition I wouldn't feel terribly compelled to go much higher than that, but the point of these, and most negotiations where you are going to have a long term relationship, is not to "win" them so much as get something done that all sides can settle in and live with. So you give a little just to let the other side feel like they have accomplished something and you liked Bonzi enough to be willing to move your number a little. And then barring a heavy duty offer from elsewhere inspiring the S&T you've taken care of it in a reasonable fashion + with all sides feeling pretty good.
SharpShooter
G-League
Did you consider that maybe that is what is taking place?
Or that we can't spend the money if it isn't spent on Bonzi? I think we're over the cap with or without him, right? We have about $56 million in salary without him (11 players under contract), I think.
As much as I loathe agreeing with a laker fan
, I would be inclined to agree. If the Kings manage to resign Bonzi at 6-7 million per year, I think we have a steal, but even in that situation with KMart ready to start in the next year or so, that means you will be paying an aging sixth man a good amount of cash. Now, predictably salaries will continue to rise and if Bonzi keeps producing the same way you're set. If not...
Vlade4GM
All-Star
if that's the case then we can do a sign and trade.
Why do people insist on believing Bonzi Wells is going to be washed up within a year or so?
Here's the deal: We NEED Bonzi now more than we don't need him. You can't just promote your youngsters into starting roles without making sure you have something on the bench to back them up. That's the quickest way I know to drop off the charts all-together.
If we resign him, he'll still have market value next year. If Kevin continues to grow and mature and works himself into a starting position then we can talk about dealing Bonzi. He'll have another year of rehabbed reputation IMHO and that should help alleviate some of the worries GMs may currently have.
People who talk about dumping Bonzi just confuse me. Was I imagining the SPARK and LIFE he brought to the team in the playoffs? I'm certainly not willing to part with that without some REAL value in return.
Here's the deal: We NEED Bonzi now more than we don't need him. You can't just promote your youngsters into starting roles without making sure you have something on the bench to back them up. That's the quickest way I know to drop off the charts all-together.
If we resign him, he'll still have market value next year. If Kevin continues to grow and mature and works himself into a starting position then we can talk about dealing Bonzi. He'll have another year of rehabbed reputation IMHO and that should help alleviate some of the worries GMs may currently have.
People who talk about dumping Bonzi just confuse me. Was I imagining the SPARK and LIFE he brought to the team in the playoffs? I'm certainly not willing to part with that without some REAL value in return.
You're not? Oops.
VF21, No disputing that Bonzi brought a lot to the table, but if we're a couple years down the road and Martin is looking at a new, starter type deal, I'd hate to think we've got two guards making starters money (and one of them an aging guard with a questionable past). My concern isn't with Bonzi's performance, it's with the teams flexibility.
I'll stress I don't think its a horrible decision (in fact it could turn out quite well), but one that is worth questioning, which is what it sounds like Geoff is doing.
I'll stress I don't think its a horrible decision (in fact it could turn out quite well), but one that is worth questioning, which is what it sounds like Geoff is doing.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
A couple years down the road, Ron Artest will be a free agent too. So there will be plenty of uncertainty. Might as well get Bonzi back and contend for the next 2-3 years when we know we can.
KingKong
Starter
You worry about a couple of years down the road when it's closer to a couple of years down the road. NOTHING is certain in the NBA. Kevin has had one real year of experience. ONE. Yes, he shows potential but IF you let Bonzi get away and Kevin chokes, then what? That's just as real a concern as what might happen a couple of years down the road.
Flexibility is over-rated. Remember, we traded Chris Webber for Kenny Thomas, Brian Skinner and Corliss Williamson so we'd have "flexibility."
