Bee: Draft options many for the Kings
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Well if he's the next Nash (or even 1/2)...then yeah, he doesn't need to play defense.
You asked, "Why take a flyer on Ser-Rod if he can't play defense?"
My point was you take him if you think he's the best player. He might be good enough offensively that he could be a star even with his defensive shortcomings (I've never seen him play, so I don't know, I'm just going off scouting reports). Now if its a tie (or pretty close) between him and Rondo/Douby on all-around talent than you can give their defensive ability the tie-breaking status. In fact, I actually would be happier with one of those two because I've seen them play and was impressed...I love Rondo, but if Petrie goes with Sergio you know its because the guy can play.
There seems to be the assumption among some that the only effective backup PG for the Kings needs to be a Bobby Jackson clone defensive energy stopper and I think that's narrow-minded. If the guy can play he can play.
You asked, "Why take a flyer on Ser-Rod if he can't play defense?"
My point was you take him if you think he's the best player. He might be good enough offensively that he could be a star even with his defensive shortcomings (I've never seen him play, so I don't know, I'm just going off scouting reports). Now if its a tie (or pretty close) between him and Rondo/Douby on all-around talent than you can give their defensive ability the tie-breaking status. In fact, I actually would be happier with one of those two because I've seen them play and was impressed...I love Rondo, but if Petrie goes with Sergio you know its because the guy can play.
There seems to be the assumption among some that the only effective backup PG for the Kings needs to be a Bobby Jackson clone defensive energy stopper and I think that's narrow-minded. If the guy can play he can play.
But, firstly, you should go after a two-way guard. That's why Bobby worked so well behind Bibby. He complimented Bibby in what he brought on both ends of the floor. There are plenty of two-way guards that can be had and are available. It's just a matter of acquiring one. Hart was brought in as a two-way combo guard based on his play in Charlotte, but due to being new to the team and lack of time and oppurtunities, it didn't work out. Hart showing something only a small number of times. Bottom line, just get an upgrade over Jason Hart - aka a two-way guard.
Ser-Rod, he doesn't compliment Bibby, and is wild in his style of play. He doesn't bring what we need in a PG, either of the future or for possibly a back-up. Which I wouldn't know what were doing if we have him as our back-up PG. We'd have absolutely no defense at PG.
Didn't Petrie trade a certain PG who was quite similar to Ser-Rod, who is patterned after that PG, to get away from the wild play, and get a more controlled PG in Bibby?
Ser-Rod just isn't a fit for the Kings, if we draft him, I'd hope it's as a trade asset in a package to get a big man.
Specifically rookie small guards... Lowry/Rondo/Diaz/Douby/Brown would fit what we need and benefit the team. All bringing offense, athleticism, defense, and energy.
Guys already in the league? B-Jax/Banks/Duhon/Bell/Mo Williams (has the potential... hasn't had the coach, I'd take him if he didn't, too)/Lue/Delk/Claxton/Knight. All two-way guards, except for Mo Williams, but his versatility is great, and his length and quickness could make him a fine defender.
Ser-Rod, he doesn't compliment Bibby, and is wild in his style of play. He doesn't bring what we need in a PG, either of the future or for possibly a back-up. Which I wouldn't know what were doing if we have him as our back-up PG. We'd have absolutely no defense at PG.
Didn't Petrie trade a certain PG who was quite similar to Ser-Rod, who is patterned after that PG, to get away from the wild play, and get a more controlled PG in Bibby?
Ser-Rod just isn't a fit for the Kings, if we draft him, I'd hope it's as a trade asset in a package to get a big man.
Specifically rookie small guards... Lowry/Rondo/Diaz/Douby/Brown would fit what we need and benefit the team. All bringing offense, athleticism, defense, and energy.
Guys already in the league? B-Jax/Banks/Duhon/Bell/Mo Williams (has the potential... hasn't had the coach, I'd take him if he didn't, too)/Lue/Delk/Claxton/Knight. All two-way guards, except for Mo Williams, but his versatility is great, and his length and quickness could make him a fine defender.
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Mock Drafts not much help either
Tonight I looked at 11 Mock Drafts and their view of the Kings at #19.
Four agreed on Sergio Rodriquez, 6-3 180 PG from Spain.
The other seven each had a different player at #19: only 1 other PG (Rajon Rondo from Kentucky), 3 SG's and 2 PF and Saer Sene at 7-0 at the 5.
So, same as for many weeks now, a PG or a PF who can play now.
Historically Petrie is not a draft day trader (once in 8 years), either for players or draft position. This is one of the rare years with no 2nd rounder.
Tonight I looked at 11 Mock Drafts and their view of the Kings at #19.
Four agreed on Sergio Rodriquez, 6-3 180 PG from Spain.
The other seven each had a different player at #19: only 1 other PG (Rajon Rondo from Kentucky), 3 SG's and 2 PF and Saer Sene at 7-0 at the 5.
So, same as for many weeks now, a PG or a PF who can play now.
Historically Petrie is not a draft day trader (once in 8 years), either for players or draft position. This is one of the rare years with no 2nd rounder.
Yeah, I guess we do need another shooting guard, eh...we dont already have Wells, Martin, Garcia...no diversity at that position I guess.
Passing on players because they aren't "a fit" is bad practice. DeRon Williams was more of a fit for the Utah system than Chris Paul was.
I am not arguing that defense is not important. What I am arguing is that you can't just make decisions off of scouting reports that you read. (just because he's compared to J-Will doesn't make him J-Will, maybe he'd be the good version of J-Will, which would be pretty good) Like I said before, if its pretty close, you can boost defense, but if Ser-Rod is the best player there, then thats who you take. Its always the smart move.
I am not arguing that defense is not important. What I am arguing is that you can't just make decisions off of scouting reports that you read. (just because he's compared to J-Will doesn't make him J-Will, maybe he'd be the good version of J-Will, which would be pretty good) Like I said before, if its pretty close, you can boost defense, but if Ser-Rod is the best player there, then thats who you take. Its always the smart move.
that's an incredibly difficult judgement to make at the 19th pick. how can one weigh the skills of a PG vs the skills of a C, and from that determine which player is better? despite what most GM's say, the truth is that, on draft day, a non-lottery team team selects the player that they like the most, not who is "the best." they may think that player is the best, and that player may very well be he best of the choices at a particular draft pick, but it really is a crap shoot. petrie likes swingmen who can shoot, so he selected francisco garcia and kevin martin in the last two drafts. truth be told, both of those players will probably turn out to be the best of what was available to the kings at the time, but they were almost certainly chosen because they fit the mold of the GM that chose them.
In many ways, and would certainly be a far more intriguing pick with upside than a Hilton Armstrong or whatnot. But on the other hand, almsot all reports say the kid isn't ready to contribute yet. Upside, but no immediate help. If that's the move, it only underscores the need for some strong trades/signings to patch up the frontcourt holes in the immediate future.
Yeah, he really sounds like a Petrie kind of guy. Flying under the radar form the most part, but from the scouting reports he's pretty solid, albiet undeveloped, in most aspects of the game. He put up good numbers in Europe, has good size and decent athleticism, and the most important part, the scouting reports are calling him a very good shooter, and Petrie loves shooters. He's not projected until the late first/early second, but it wouldn't suprise me to see us pick him.
Well, that's all I can go on from. Oh, and that highlight video on him. Which I don't think you can just go on that either. All of it seems pretty legit to me from the number of reports on him I've read, and have gathered what I think of him based on what I've been able to.
Ser-Rod won't be the best player at #19, nor is he what we need. Thus, why I don't like us drafting him, possibly as our back-up PGeek: ), and would hope he'd be a trade piece in a package for a quality player.
Ser-Rod won't be the best player at #19, nor is he what we need. Thus, why I don't like us drafting him, possibly as our back-up PG
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Ser-Rod won't be the best player at #19, nor is he what we need. Thus, why I don't like us drafting him, possibly as our back-up PG eek: ), and would hope he'd be a trade piece in a package for a quality player.
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Not even Petrie knows, especially in this draft.
Sure he knows a lot more then us arm-chairs but this draft is a total crap shoot.
I don't see a lot of middle ground, either roll the dice and pray or play it safe with some mediocre player.
NBA draft is always weird this way, I have never gotten the hang of it. Football, its easy to see the studs even in a bad draft year. Basketball I just toss up my arms come draft time.
Sure he knows a lot more then us arm-chairs but this draft is a total crap shoot.
I don't see a lot of middle ground, either roll the dice and pray or play it safe with some mediocre player.
NBA draft is always weird this way, I have never gotten the hang of it. Football, its easy to see the studs even in a bad draft year. Basketball I just toss up my arms come draft time.
I know there are better players than Ser-Rod, and would be available at 19. On Petrie? No, of course not, no one does, maybe not even Petrie himself.
I wouldn't be "upset" if we picked Ser-Rod, I'd hope he's used as a trade asset. If that is not the case, I don't know what we are doing with our PG spot, mainly the bench. Hopefully, despite having 2 or 3 bench PGs already, we go and get a guy with some time in the league, like we should. Ultimately I think it'll be that anyways, if it's a rookie, I hope he compliments Bibby.
On most parts, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, chap.
I wouldn't be "upset" if we picked Ser-Rod, I'd hope he's used as a trade asset. If that is not the case, I don't know what we are doing with our PG spot, mainly the bench. Hopefully, despite having 2 or 3 bench PGs already, we go and get a guy with some time in the league, like we should. Ultimately I think it'll be that anyways, if it's a rookie, I hope he compliments Bibby.
On most parts, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, chap.
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Ser-Rod, he doesn't compliment Bibby, and is wild in his style of play. He doesn't bring what we need in a PG, either of the future or for possibly a back-up. Which I wouldn't know what were doing if we have him as our back-up PG. We'd have absolutely no defense at PG.
Didn't Petrie trade a certain PG who was quite similar to Ser-Rod, who is patterned after that PG, to get away from the wild play, and get a more controlled PG in Bibby?
Guys already in the league? B-Jax/Banks/Duhon/Bell/Mo Williams (has the potential... hasn't had the coach, I'd take him if he didn't, too)/Lue/Delk/Claxton/Knight. All two-way guards, except for Mo Williams, but his versatility is great, and his length and quickness could make him a fine defender.
Didn't Petrie trade a certain PG who was quite similar to Ser-Rod, who is patterned after that PG, to get away from the wild play, and get a more controlled PG in Bibby?
Guys already in the league? B-Jax/Banks/Duhon/Bell/Mo Williams (has the potential... hasn't had the coach, I'd take him if he didn't, too)/Lue/Delk/Claxton/Knight. All two-way guards, except for Mo Williams, but his versatility is great, and his length and quickness could make him a fine defender.
i think sergio is exactly what we need... a creative scorer and passer..... we need a defensive minded back up center more than a point guard... hart didnt work out for obvious reasons.... what do we have to lose?
What do those trades have in relation to our point guard spot (now and then)? Petrie did that trade w/ J-Will because he wanted a more controlled and steady PG in Bibby. The other trades are irrelevant.
Aries, I didn't say defensive-minded PG or strictly a defensive PG, I said two-way guard. As I said, Hart was brought in to be that because of his 04-05 season in Charlotte. To compliment Bibby similar to Bobby did, but didn't work because of what I said earlier. There are a whole handful of two-way PGs out there who we can get and would compliment Bibby (already in the league and draft). Which is what Bobby did, and why it worked so well.
Sergio is not exactly what we need. His wild style, lack of d and experience is not a fit for us at back-up PG. Which is likely what he'd slot in as with 2 or 3 PGs already on the roster. If he's not? Hey, fine by me, there'll be a more suited player behind Bibby then.
Also an interesting note, 5 or 6 mocks no longer have Ser-Rod at #19.
Aries, I didn't say defensive-minded PG or strictly a defensive PG, I said two-way guard. As I said, Hart was brought in to be that because of his 04-05 season in Charlotte. To compliment Bibby similar to Bobby did, but didn't work because of what I said earlier. There are a whole handful of two-way PGs out there who we can get and would compliment Bibby (already in the league and draft). Which is what Bobby did, and why it worked so well.
Sergio is not exactly what we need. His wild style, lack of d and experience is not a fit for us at back-up PG. Which is likely what he'd slot in as with 2 or 3 PGs already on the roster. If he's not? Hey, fine by me, there'll be a more suited player behind Bibby then.
Also an interesting note, 5 or 6 mocks no longer have Ser-Rod at #19.
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i mentioned that because you mentioned petrie trading jwill for bibby... yeah that worked out but the others didnt... well, i guess bonzi did... though not much so in the regular season...
but sergio could be the x-factor that gets our bench going offensively... its much easier to defend after you score than it is after a brick.... which would be a big help for our team... we have no scorers on our bench that can get their own shot... our back up pg, hart wasnt much help... with his defensive minded and pass first mindset.... gimme a wild offensive player anyday....
but sergio could be the x-factor that gets our bench going offensively... its much easier to defend after you score than it is after a brick.... which would be a big help for our team... we have no scorers on our bench that can get their own shot... our back up pg, hart wasnt much help... with his defensive minded and pass first mindset.... gimme a wild offensive player anyday....
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So can Lowry and Rondo, they can direct and make plays as well, at a fine pace. They can also score. They can also play defense well.
All three don't have good jumpers, but Lowry's has improved in camps and work-outs. And of course for all three, there are future summers/pre-seasons/camps to develop that.
With Hart completely out of the picture (your bringing up of him all the time in PG talk is amazing) for a moment (which he likely will be anyways), you'd rather have a wild-styled, J-Will-esque, inexperienced, not skilled defensively, slight-built, possibly out-of-league development PG as our back-up to Mike Bibby....than a two-way guard already in the league, or one of the other rookies that bring compliments to Bibby?
Sure the wild, flashy style can be fun sometimes, but also brings turnovers and un-needed or uncertain passes and plays.
From your previous posts about him and here, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
So can Lowry and Rondo, they can direct and make plays as well, at a fine pace. They can also score. They can also play defense well.
All three don't have good jumpers, but Lowry's has improved in camps and work-outs. And of course for all three, there are future summers/pre-seasons/camps to develop that.
With Hart completely out of the picture (your bringing up of him all the time in PG talk is amazing) for a moment (which he likely will be anyways), you'd rather have a wild-styled, J-Will-esque, inexperienced, not skilled defensively, slight-built, possibly out-of-league development PG as our back-up to Mike Bibby....than a two-way guard already in the league, or one of the other rookies that bring compliments to Bibby?
Sure the wild, flashy style can be fun sometimes, but also brings turnovers and un-needed or uncertain passes and plays.
From your previous posts about him and here, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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im a sucker for wild passes.... and as much as i love bobby.... i honestly believe that he was the reason why gerald wallace never got the chance to develop with the kings... we didnt really have a back up sg behind doug.... we had hedo behind peja... and wallace never played because bobby played behind both bibby and doug...
bringing in another veteran combo guard to back up bibby might take minutes away from martin and/or garcia depending on what happens with bonzi...
but sergio can ball... bibby plays so many minutes i doubt that it will matter.... lack of minutes didnt hurt martin last year...
bringing in another veteran combo guard to back up bibby might take minutes away from martin and/or garcia depending on what happens with bonzi...
but sergio can ball... bibby plays so many minutes i doubt that it will matter.... lack of minutes didnt hurt martin last year...