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Brown: Petrie had ruled me out before we talked
By Sam Amick - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 12:13 am PDT Thursday, June 21, 2007
Story appeared in SPORTS section, Page C1


From the beginning of the Kings' coaching search, the message was made clear by team co-owners Joe and Gavin Maloof that this decision would be made by basketball president Geoff Petrie.

Although the process at times begged the validity of that assertion, nowhere was it more true than the mini-pursuit of Larry Brown. When the Hall of Fame coach expressed an interest to The Bee and reiterated his feeling publicly again a day later, Petrie eventually called him. It was, according to Brown and his agent, a short talk Tuesday that disclosed Petrie's true intentions.

"I had a 20-minute discussion, and I listened most of the time," Brown said Wednesday by telephone. "I think they had their minds made up before, to be honest. You talk 20 minutes on the phone, and most of the time you listen, I think obviously he had his mind made up."

Brown said he asked to meet with the Maloofs and Petrie but was rebuffed.

"I just suggested that maybe I sit down face to face with him and the brothers and talk, and that was it," Brown said. "Obviously they didn't want to do that. ... They did call (his agent Joel) Glass and said they were far along with another guy. I told Joel, 'Why would they call me then?' "

Brown's recent track record was clearly an issue, from the way his tenure ended with soap-opera flair in Detroit and New York to Brown's assertion that he did not want to "put his name out there" for the Kings' position yet was so open about his interest in the job to The Bee. Coming off the one-year Eric Musselman era that was as bad off the floor as it was on it, there was -- and is -- little tolerance for drama-filled distractions.

Although Brown said he and Petrie did not discuss contractual terms or money, Glass indicated to the team that he sought a three-year deal. That alone might have been enough to end the conversation, as the Kings -- and every other team with an opening that passed on Brown, for that matter -- were hesitant to be tied to Brown for too long. Petrie declined Wednesday to comment on his discussions with Brown. After the announcement of Reggie Theus as the next Kings coach, Joe Maloof said he and his family were interested in Brown.

"It just wasn't the right fit -- that's what Geoff said," Maloof said. "It probably wasn't the right time. We've got a team here that struggled last year, got a lot of work to do here. Larry Brown's a Hall of Fame, brilliant coach, but does he want to take on a team that, who knows, wins 40 games this year?

"Who knows what we're going to do this year? We don't know what's going to happen in the offseason, who we're going to draft. Does he really want that kind of challenge? I don't know."

Brown's interest, according to Glass, wasn't the obstacle.

"From Mr. Petrie's point of view, I don't think he had any strong inclination to go with Larry," Glass said. "I think that the mind-set was there beforehand."

And as Brown's unwanted absence from coaching is at 14 months and counting, he said he remained concerned about a legacy that continues to spark the wrong sort of attention. The Kings were the sixth of seven teams with vacancies to pass on Brown, whose last chapter was a 2005-06 season that ended with a 23-59 record in New York and a court battle over his contract.

"I don't understand why he (was) fired after winning a championship (in Detroit) and getting to the seventh game of the Finals and being a shot away from winning two in a row," Glass said. "I don't know why he got fired again in New York, except for the fact that the people there don't know what they're doing to begin with. (New York) was our fault -- 'my bad,' as the saying goes -- for not recognizing that we were getting into a very, very treacherous situation that we shouldn't have been in to begin with."

About the writer: The Bee's Sam Amick can be reached at samick@sacbee.com.
 
"I don't understand why he (was) fired after winning a championship (in Detroit) and getting to the seventh game of the Finals and being a shot away from winning two in a row," Glass said. "I don't know why he got fired again in New York, except for the fact that the people there don't know what they're doing to begin with. (New York) was our fault -- 'my bad,' as the saying goes -- for not recognizing that we were getting into a very, very treacherous situation that we shouldn't have been in to begin with."

Oh my, that is so disinegnuous that even the agent should blush.
 
I liked this part:

Although Brown said he and Petrie did not discuss contractual terms or money, Glass indicated to the team that he sought a three-year deal. That alone might have been enough to end the conversation, as the Kings -- and every other team with an opening that passed on Brown, for that matter -- were hesitant to be tied to Brown for too long.

Sure sounds like what a lot of people around here were saying.
 
Brown said he asked to meet with the Maloofs and Petrie but was rebuffed.

Didn't LB tell Voisin that he would NOT ask for an interview, that if they wanted him, they'd contact him?

This is more convoluted than a Kafka novel.
 
So, you were not chosen and did not get a chance to sit down with Petrie and the Maloofs, huh, Larry? Waaaa! Waaaa! No need to whine in the press.

This is exactly the main reason I was not interested in him. Can't keep from whining to the press about every little thing. :rolleyes:
 
Larry Brown is water under the bridge at this point, and even though I was intrigued at bringing him in under very specific terms and circumstances I really don't give a crap about him now.

But he appears to be good for something - providing cover for the Theus hire. Instead of talking about Shaw or Porter or even Brooks, all of whom seem more qualified and "ready" to take this step we're talking about Brown as the alternative, a guy who was never even a serious option except in the minds of a few Bee staff writers.

Well done, I say.

Just to clarify the above I'm talking about the media, not "we" as a message board.
 
man whats wrong with larry brown??? i mean im ok with thesus but larry would of been good 2, but seriously is it his coaching skills or more less his off the court problems??? larry if i had a team i'd hire you of course for a deep discount;)
 
Wow, you guys must really hate Larry Brown. Nothing he said there sounded unreasonable to me and you're still bagging on him. Did he kill your cat or something? I think Petrie passed up another potentially great opportunity here by "playing it safe". Musselman gets a three year deal but that's too much for Larry Brown? Two months of dragging out the coaching search, dredging up the unlikliest of barely qualified candidates, and yet the one guy who's actually over-qualified for the job says he's interested and all of a sudden there's this great sense of urgency? Reggie Theus wasn't going anywhere. You can't maybe just give Larry Brown a chance to speak? What happened to "we're going to take our time and make sure we fully examine all of our options" ? I just don't understand what we have to lose by giving him an interview. Doesn't matter now, we have our coach for better or worse. But the competency of our front office just keeps looking worse and worse. My guess is Petrie is not getting his contract renewed. It just seems like he's on a totally different page from the Maloofs and neither one of them has got a clue. (The difference being the Maloofs are signing the checks)
 
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This is what happened in NY. Reporters would ask him a question and he would reply. Such a fool, does he not realize why he isn't getting job offers. He loves the attention, and flat out talks too much.
 
Wow, you guys must really hate Larry Brown. Nothing he said there sounded unreasonable to me and you're still bagging on him. Did he kill your cat or something? I think Petrie passed up another potentially great opportunity here by "playing it safe". Musselman gets a three year deal but that's too much for Larry Brown? Two months of dragging out the coaching search, dredging up the unlikliest of barely qualified candidates, and yet the one guy who's actually over-qualified for the job says he's interested and all of a sudden there's this great sense of urgency? Reggie Theus wasn't going anywhere. You can't maybe just give Larry Brown a chance to speak? What happened to "we're going to take our time and make sure we fully examine all of our options" ? I just don't understand what we have to lose by giving him an interview. Doesn't matter now, we have our coach for better or worse. But the competency of our front office just keeps looking worse and worse. My guess is Petrie is not getting his contract renewed. It just seems like he's on a totally different page from the Maloofs and neither one of them has got a clue. (The difference being the Maloofs are signing the checks)

Uh, the dude is whining and acting like we owed him something. What has the guy ever done for us? We don't owe him anything, he has nothing to do with the kings until he started yapping about how much he wanted the job.

Brown has nothing to offer us, we don't have the talent to compete next year no matter who our coach is. It would be a total waste of time and money to hire some big name coach who is a complete control freak when we have ZERO shot at competing for a title.
 
It doesn't matter to me what he says or whether its reasonable or not. What disgusts me is that he lobbied for the job through the press and when he didn't get the job he goes back to the press to whine about it. Geez, how pathetic can a person get?
 
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It doesn't matter to me whether what he says or whether its reasonable or not. What disgusts me is that he lobbied for the job through the press and when he didn't get the job he goes back to the press to whine about it. Geez, how pathetic can a person get?


Yeah he's annoying. At first I wanted him here but now I'm REALLY glad he's not here.
 
As I recall Don Nelson was asked about the Kings' job last year and he also said he informed the front office of his interest, but they decided to go in a different direction. Was he lobbying through the press and then whining about it too or just answering questions? When it's Larry Brown it's like some people here intentionally read egotism into everything he says. I don't understand it. Maybe Larry Brown has nothing better to do than call news offices and tell them he's interested in coaching jobs but no one is calling him. Even if that is the case, is that more pathetic than if he just sat around feeling sorry for himself and did nothing?

Not to mention, the fact that we're rebuilding is the dumbest excuse for not hiring a hall of fame coach that I've ever heard. Isn't that exactly the situation where you want the best coach you can get? Joe Maloof sounds here like they were doing Larry Brown a favor by not offering him a job that they didn't think he wanted even though he said all along he wanted it. Joe himself doesn't even sound convinced by his own excuse. What comes across to me is that Petrie shot it down right away and the Maloofs don't really understand why. Nor does Larry Brown or his agent. Nor do I.
 
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Yes, Don Nelson did mention it in passing last year. It was after the job was filled, however. There were not multiple lengthy, detailed conversations with reporters, while the job search was still going on. If LB had come out after the selection was made and said, "Gee, I really would have liked to have that job. I don't know why they didn't call me." And then dropped the subject, like Nelly did, I wouldn't have an issue with it.

So the only two options available were 1) he goes and lobbies through the press and then cries to them when he doesn't get the job, or 2) he sits around doing nothing and feeling sorry for himself? :confused:

How is it that other coaches ever get a job? Like Adelman, for example. Class act. He didn't choose option 1 and if he chose option 2, he didn't call a reporter and talk about how he pined (sniff) to get back to coaching.

All LB had to do was tell GP and the Maloofs that he was really interested in the job and he'd like the opportunity to talk to them. He could send letters or e-mails or text messages to them. He could have his agent or friends/supporters call on his behalf. He could communicate his desire to be considered to the decision makers, not to reporters to be published all over the place.

And if a potential employer makes it clear they don't want you, you just accept that you can't change their mind. If it was my decision, that cheap end run would have lost him the job with me. He tried to manipulate the selection process through the press? Read egotism into what he says? His actions and how he handled this reeked of narcissism and ego to me.
 
I thought it was the general consensus that the evil wretched demoness known as Ailene Voisin called Larry Brown because she was on a mission to install the next Kings coach. I'm confused why now the meme has changed to Larry Brown the shameless media whore.
 
I thought it was the general consensus that the evil wretched demoness known as Ailene Voisin called Larry Brown because she was on a mission to install the next Kings coach. I'm confused why now the meme has changed to Larry Brown the shameless media whore.

Plausible deniability?
 
I thought it was the general consensus that the evil wretched demoness known as Ailene Voisin called Larry Brown because she was on a mission to install the next Kings coach. I'm confused why now the meme has changed to Larry Brown the shameless media whore.

Larry Brown the shameless media whore is an eternal. ;)

Seriously, she might have got it started, but once the ball was rolling here we have Larry Brown the world's most unfairly persecuted man once again. He really is the most disgustingly passive aggressive whiny little ***** I think I've ever seen in the coaching ranks (hmm...except whoever that crazy guy was they had up in Toronto during TMac's last year there). A complete drama queen. Just amazing how a top coach has made himself so much more trouble than he's worth that 1/4 of the league has openings, and he's avoided like the plague.
 
I don't even see why this is news. yes, GP obviously did not think that Larry was a good fit. Yes, he probably had his mind made up before the conversation. In fact, the conversation probably only took place because he respects who Larry Brown is and wanted to clear the air since Larry's interest had already been expressed. Big deal! GP has the right to make that decision, and once it's made I really don't see what the point would have been in having a face to face with Larry/GP/the Maloofs. At that point it's just a waste of everyone's time.
 
Brown is not a good fit for a rebuilding team and im pretty glad Petrie had his mind made up. I really don't care if Brown had his feelings hurt, the NBA is a business get over it.
 
As I recall Don Nelson was asked about the Kings' job last year and he also said he informed the front office of his interest, but they decided to go in a different direction. Was he lobbying through the press and then whining about it too or just answering questions? When it's Larry Brown it's like some people here intentionally read egotism into everything he says. I don't understand it. Maybe Larry Brown has nothing better to do than call news offices and tell them he's interested in coaching jobs but no one is calling him. Even if that is the case, is that more pathetic than if he just sat around feeling sorry for himself and did nothing?

Not to mention, the fact that we're rebuilding is the dumbest excuse for not hiring a hall of fame coach that I've ever heard. Isn't that exactly the situation where you want the best coach you can get? Joe Maloof sounds here like they were doing Larry Brown a favor by not offering him a job that they didn't think he wanted even though he said all along he wanted it. Joe himself doesn't even sound convinced by his own excuse. What comes across to me is that Petrie shot it down right away and the Maloofs don't really understand why. Nor does Larry Brown or his agent. Nor do I.

The guy is a special case, he comes in and takes over organizations demanding everything be done his way. He only plays for the short term and his own ego. That's not a good rebuilding fit.
 
Larry Brown is a great coach, probably best in the league and you can get 3 years out of him before he burns out. Petrie's no-way approach to Brown is just as bad as the Maloofs bad relationship with any of Adleman's crew. They both hurt the improvement of this team for personal feelings.
 
Larry Brown is a great coach, probably best in the league and you can get 3 years out of him before he burns out. Petrie's no-way approach to Brown is just as bad as the Maloofs bad relationship with any of Adleman's crew. They both hurt the improvement of this team for personal feelings.

I disagree. I was VERY pro-Brown, but the second he mentioned wanting control over personal is the same second I would have hung up the phone.
 
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