King Baller
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How long was Ayton suspended due to the use of PED's?
Bagley.
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How long was Ayton suspended due to the use of PED's?
kb02
All-Star
Shorter than Bags has been out. I said it at the time on Realgm. Most Roids abusers don't simply lose the advantages once they've been caught. There was an article that said Ben Johnson was still running faster than the fastest in the world a year after he got busted and had stopped Roiding. The physical improvements become foundational blocks that they can build on after their suspension. Now, I'm not saying Bags should turn to Roids, but...dude needs to ramp up his physical training 2X.
Section 101
All-Star
When your skillset is based on athleticism, injuries definitely have an impact.
rekehavoc123
G-League
Just like the Warriors were light years ahead of the NBA?
jcassio
Starter
That works for me. Did we hear that Bagley had been watching a lot of tape of Giannis? That works for me, too. But I think Siakam's a more realistic goal for Bags.
Coach Walton benched Bagley too when he came back from his first injury. In the little playing time he's had this season he's had to fight for touches with a second unit that included 2 other demoted starters trying to get their spots back as well. It's all sortof the same topic. The big picture is that the team has been shuffling players around since literally day one and hasn't really clicked yet. It's hard to draw any conclusions about our young players from this mess of a season when everyone is under-performing relative to what we saw last year and the coach still hasn't arrived at a rotation he's happy with.
This is the exact same team as it was after All-Star break last year in terms of performance/record. Bagley is also not fighting for touches he's averaging slightly more FGA's this year than he was last in basically the same playing time and they are doing the same force feed it to him in the post type game.
HebrewHammer
G-League
Really? Only one game that he took less than 10 shots and he has a very healthy usage rate of 25.9 this season, which is third on the team (behind Fox and Hield). This is flat out wrong. The kid is getting the ball in his hands plenty, when healthy.
Livinthedream
All-Star
It's tough to make stats work on a guy who hasn't played but a handful of games this season in inconsistent situations.
This season is not the same as last by any means. The supporting cast has changed enough to alter rotations and change the identity of the team. Most importantly, the coaching staff and offense has changed. It's had an impact on certain players more than others. Our best players regressed. It took a large number of games for Fox and Buddy to find their footing. Dedmon, who was supposed to be the complimentary big man to Bagley, never got a shot to play for whatever reason.
Bagley had played 13 games, including the games he was injured in. Not to mention, when he came back from the broken hand, he was wearing a brace that affected his shooting, was playing with a different unit than he spent training camp and preseason working with and the coaches had decided they weren't going to be a running team anymore. Bagley gets injured again, comes back and starts to play better all around after he gets a good couple of games under his belt, then injures the same foot again, which means he wasn't 100% healthy when he came back to begin with.
His health concerns are fair, as is the job of this training staff. But there is almost no consistent foundation on which to base his stats on for this season.
This season is not the same as last by any means. The supporting cast has changed enough to alter rotations and change the identity of the team. Most importantly, the coaching staff and offense has changed. It's had an impact on certain players more than others. Our best players regressed. It took a large number of games for Fox and Buddy to find their footing. Dedmon, who was supposed to be the complimentary big man to Bagley, never got a shot to play for whatever reason.
Bagley had played 13 games, including the games he was injured in. Not to mention, when he came back from the broken hand, he was wearing a brace that affected his shooting, was playing with a different unit than he spent training camp and preseason working with and the coaches had decided they weren't going to be a running team anymore. Bagley gets injured again, comes back and starts to play better all around after he gets a good couple of games under his belt, then injures the same foot again, which means he wasn't 100% healthy when he came back to begin with.
His health concerns are fair, as is the job of this training staff. But there is almost no consistent foundation on which to base his stats on for this season.
The Dedmon tangent has been moved to the Dedmon trade thread:
https://community.kingsfans.com/threads/kings-trade-dedmon-for-parker-and-len-merged.73280/
https://community.kingsfans.com/threads/kings-trade-dedmon-for-parker-and-len-merged.73280/
Section 101
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3 more weeks!
kb02
All-Star
Apparently a foot sprain takes 6 months to heal.
fansinceday1
Starter
Like Doug Christie said at the opening of the show, big men and foot problems are not a good mix. Of course grant had nothing to add to that comment......
SLAB
Hall of Famer
Has Grant touched the Amick comments?
Livinthedream
All-Star
Sounds like a Lisfranc injury and he / team is trying to avoid surgery.
Pure speculation of course. But the the way it's been reported leaves the door open for speculation.
macadocious
Starter
Sounds like Turf Toe.
fansinceday1
Starter
Not that I’ve heard. I’m tempted to call up and ask him if he has a comment on the owners inability to get over luka.
Sactown ExPat
Starter
Frankly, with all the reporting over the last 1.5 weeks, I’ll be surprised if we see Bagley in a Kings jersey again.
fansinceday1
Starter
So grant thinks that vivek not being able to get over luka isn’t true and wasn’t what came out of that podcast or any other article from Sam Amick.
Kings_of_California
Starter
Bagley out for another 3 weeks or forever. Cool.
I for one will hold the fans accountable if this happens. People love to toss the word "embarrassment" around in here. Well, I'm embarrassed by the vitriolic sentiment expressed by some Kings fans towards Marvin Bagley. You want to know why we can't have nice things? Well, look at some of the vile comments made about Bagley.
Kings fans never used to be like that.
fansinceday1
Starter
We can’t have nice things because our dumba** front office passes them over for inferior talent.
I’d also say the majority of Kings fans are now smart enough to know when they are being fed a line of bulls*** and are no longer willing to just tolerate it.
If he can’t handle fans complaining he’s in more trouble than he thinks, Sacramento fans of all people
Wait, are you saying we didn't draft Luka?!? HOW THE HECK DID I NOT HEAR ABOUT THIS?!?!?
Seriously? Are you that myopic?
There is an incredible gap between complaints and the kind of hostility I've seen towards a player who is in no way responsible for where he was picked in the draft. A handful of you seem hellbent on destroying Bagley or cheering his setbacks because the front office didn't do what you wanted. The ultimate social media temper tantrum IMHO.
Do you think Sacramento is the only place that does this? This happens everywhere and quite frankly it’s not even that bad what he’s receiving, hell Luke has gotten more hate than him. If what’s happens with Bagley happened in a bigger market than this he’d be in some trouble. If he’s looking at our comments and he’s affected by it than I’ll gladly drive him to the airport myself if he’s traded.
Also if Bagley was producing anything or looked like a future star he wouldn’t be criticized as much. At this point it’s not even about Luka going after him
KingsCitizen
Starter
Dave probably saw injury prone movements of Bags that's why he kept benching him until he changes his rhythm. Just like Crash (Wallace), careless pogos will break their own body.
Papa Bags should have kept his coachie mouth shut when Dave was winning games even if his son was used as backup. Now I have will to point fingers to him for breaking his own son's body, and again maybe the conditioning crew does not work well with Walton's style of playing his players especially the bigs that don't shoot from the perimeter.
Papa Bags should have kept his coachie mouth shut when Dave was winning games even if his son was used as backup. Now I have will to point fingers to him for breaking his own son's body, and again maybe the conditioning crew does not work well with Walton's style of playing his players especially the bigs that don't shoot from the perimeter.
