Kingzrool
Starter
Lots more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=6329, check it out.
I really hope Artest stays around. At this point, his passion is the team's identity.
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Artest's Impact
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Lots more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=6329, check it out.
I really hope Artest stays around. At this point, his passion is the team's identity.
DocHolliday
Starter
The only complaint I have about Artest is when he gets in the "I AM SUPERMAN AND CAN DO IT ALL" mode. Last night against the Jazz he started to take on that identity. It got to the point after a couple of plays that Beno was right there waved to Artest to dump him the ball so he could take it up and set the offense, and Artest ignored him.
Immediately after that play Theus called a timeout. The camera closed in and Theus immediately pointed at Ron and gave him this look and started saying something. It seemed to be the tune of telling him to not start that business about ignoring his teammates and thinking he can do it all. From then on the offense ran as normal through Beno.
I loved that Theus stopped the game and corrected Artest's actions before it got too out of hand.
Immediately after that play Theus called a timeout. The camera closed in and Theus immediately pointed at Ron and gave him this look and started saying something. It seemed to be the tune of telling him to not start that business about ignoring his teammates and thinking he can do it all. From then on the offense ran as normal through Beno.
I loved that Theus stopped the game and corrected Artest's actions before it got too out of hand.
GeorgeofSacramento
Bench
And I loved that Artest listened.
Totally agree! And I like that Theus will take a time out to correct a problem as soon as it begins. One of the FEW complaints I had about Adelman was his insistence on letting the team play through their problems. I'd much rather see the coach take the time out, point out what ALL of us are screaming at the TV about, and then let them go back on the court, fully aware of what's expected of them.
Yes! If Theus is recognizing this in Ron, telling him to stop, and Ron listens, we could be in good hands. It also means we should probably keep Artest around if we have a coach he's responding too.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
One of my favorite things about watching Ronald William Artest, Jr. play is that he NEVER argues with the officials - ABSOLUTELY NEVER. He does what most true big time stars do - leaving such no win griping to his coaches. It's almost like he is saying to the zebras that they're mostly petty little bystanders in the BIG PICTURE and they can't defeat him. The fight is with the other team and on that score it's going to be one helluva fight. I also love that he TRULY BELIEVES this Kings team can win every single game before each tip-off and can make the playoffs with the kind of do or die effort he constantly displays all over the court. I believe his toughness and determination can and does rub off on his teammates - which is sorely needed on a team known too long for being soft and often folding in the 4th quarter.
Jechtsphere
Starter
Well almost never, he will argue if he knows it's an absolutely bad call but he hardly ever argues instead he'll go up to the official and talk and ask what he did wrong and show them what he believes he did...Ron getting T is very rare.
I like that about him, he gets a bad call he'll get continue to play like it was the right call.
I love Ron and what he brings but I'm undecided about him and if I want him as a King long term.
But I love watching him play...especially in the post where he just abuses people
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Too many "ifs". Each "if"multiplied by every other "if" makes for an exponential "if".
=LarryLegend=
Starter
Has anyone noticed artest will refused to inbound they ball? I have noticed this alot where he makes beno do it or someone else.
I actually have seen Miller do it on occasion this season, he then jogs up the court to set a pick. He's done that well once or twice in the past, no?
Jechtsphere
Starter
Yeah he has on occasion actually, I remember when he wouldn't do it and ran back the other end of the floor and Beno just stuck his arms up like what the hell?
That was, more than anything else, just a lack of understanding about the team. Beno may be used to other guys doing the inbound, but this is really much ado about nothing. Artest doesn't MAKE another player do the inbound.
I'll criticize Ron as much as the next person but saying he "refused" to inbound and "makes" someone else do it is just picking the most minute of nits, IMHO.
I'll criticize Ron as much as the next person but saying he "refused" to inbound and "makes" someone else do it is just picking the most minute of nits, IMHO.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
With Coach Reggie now looking like he is getting RonRon under control, he is here for the duration. There is no one else in the league with his abilities: totally shut down a 2, 3 or 4 while scoring 15-20 pts and getting couple of steals and blocks... every night!! No, we need RonRon big time. He stays.
91sickness
Bench
I would like to see Artest stick around after this year. He may not be the best verbal leader on this team but you cannot say he doesnt lead by example on the court. He tries harder than anyone on both sides of the ball. His toughness and ability to play down low rebound and post guys up as well shoot the 3 or dribble n drive is very impressive. He can also pretty much guard anyone under 7 feet tall. I hope the younger guys are taking notes from his confidence. I love that he feels this team can win on any given night and believes we will make the playoffs.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ron is still playing well over his head, and of course the bigger issue is this is Ron Artest. He's not getting voted in, so now you are going to ask the coaches to put in Ron Artest, everywhere outside of the Sacramento valley public enemy #1, in the All Star game again. The West has lost a lot of forwards this year, but he's not going instead of Duncan, or Dirk, or Boozer or Marion. And so that leaves one F spot up for grabs, and respected guys like Howard, Melo etc. playing for better teams vs. a nut on a hot streak.
Entity
Hall of Famer
Brick you are WRONG when you keep saying how far over his head Ron in playing. It is common knowledge that Ron underacheived the first half of the season last year. Yet he finished with 18.8pts 6.5reb 3.4ast 2.1stls 0.6blks shooting 44% and 74% from the line. Now this year he is at 22.2pts 7.3reb 3.8ast 2.3stls 0.7blks shooting 48.3% and 62.3% from the line.
the difference +2.5pts +0.8reb +0.4ast +0.2stls +0.1blk and shooting +4.3% and -11.7 from the line
Now how in the hell is that "playing WELL over his head" those are very very subtle differences.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You mean aside from those being career bests in nearly every category? Besides a career 15pt 5reb 3ast guy starting the season at 22pts 7rebs 4ast. A career 42% shooter who has never shot more than 44% in a full season, shooting 48%? A career .325 3pt shooter shooting 46%? Uh...I dunno. How could it ever be an aberration?
Of course there is the other possibility...maybe he can keep this up...as a classic contract year push, and then return to normal.
Entity
Hall of Famer
he did it last year Brick. You act as if he is +10 over everything. he isn't even +1 in 4 catagories. I mean is 1 more ast per game really that far above career average or 2 more rebounds when now being on a team that he HAS to be a rebounder. In the past he wasn't asked to be a significant help on the boards before last year when it was his carrer best. Now 22 pts is 3 more pts than last year well no **** he is taking almost 3 more shots so how is that so far fetched. Your argument stinks in this situation. Oh guess what if he shot his carrer average from the line he would be averaging more ppg. So are you still going to be saying the same bull when he has the same averages in January?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I don't know, will you be when he isn't?
9 games is 9 games. Playing great. As we have seen with Kevin, that doesn't always last. In particular with Ron Artest. Perhaps the contract year adds stability. But then again is that a good thing either?
G_M
Starter
If you look at his pre-brawl stats he seemed to be moving in a fairly prolific offensive direction. I think we just need to shorten the season..
Entity
Hall of Famer
I was here last year when he almost put up the same numbers. So with no Bibby and no Martin not only will he keep those averages up they will more than likely go up. He will be averging over 25ppg before the end of the month.
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