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DocHolliday said:
We can't do a Peja for Artest trade now. Peja now has a stamp of damaged goods. His disc or discs that are bulging will eventually herniate. 1 or 2 years who knows. You can keep trying to get the disc to go back into place, but it will always slip out again. Peja's value just tanked.
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Many NBA players have sporadic back problems. Until/unless it becomes major enough to require surgery they are still quite viable.

What is tanking Peja's value is his play.
 
Kings113 said:
I agree with Brick.

Geoff didn't mess up, Walsh just hasn't decided on what deal to do. Which will be done after the holidays.
geoff messed up when he didn't move peja while peja still had some serious value.
 
Kings113 said:
Well, that is irrelevant to what I posted about, and this topic. Since this isn't about Summer 2004 or February 2005.
no, i think it is relevant, because petrie's recent string of foul ups (wells being an exception) probably deserves the most blame for the current state of the kings. it is entirely possible that geoff petrie has turned down an artest for peja trade twice (obviously, we don't know for sure...but history [and GP's peja-fixation] tells us a lot). the first time, i was in disagreement, but it was understandable, because there were higher expectations for peja at that moment. this time around, it just seems ludicrous that petrie would say no. i would take artest and all of his baggage (not to mention trade value, which peja is currently lacking) in a heartbeat. many of us would...

oh, and summer 2005 might have been a good one to add to the above list, as well. ;)
 
Still going with my previous post.

As far as this past summer with Artest goes, things were a whole bunch different then with Artest/Pacers. Who knows about in general though, for Peja/trade.
 
According to a very reliable Pacer insider, Odom has reluctantly been offered for Ron. Donnie Walsh has gone quiet and is supposedly, maybe nearing a decision.
 
SoupIsGood said:
According to a very reliable Pacer insider, Odom has reluctantly been offered for Ron. Donnie Walsh has gone quiet and is supposedly, maybe nearing a decision.
Doesn't fit with their budgetary wishes. If a bad team offers up a 1st rounder, pref. unprotected, that may be too much for Walsh to resist.
 
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SoupisGood said:
According to a very reliable Pacer insider, Odom has reluctantly been offered for Ron. Donnie Walsh has gone quiet and is supposedly, maybe nearing a decision.
Are you Serious?!?!?? Wow ....
 
Gargamel said:
Doesn't fit with their budgetary wishes. If a bad team offers up a 1st rounder, pref. unprotected, that may be too much for Walsh to resist.
True. The insider mentioned this as a reason Walsh may not go w/ the Odom deal.

However, the most important thing is that he's gone absolutely solemn, not telling anyone in the office or whatever a word. He said this usually means he's nearing a deal and doesn't want anything to leak, and that something usually happens 3-5 days afterward.
 
SoupIsGood said:
True. The insider mentioned this as a reason Walsh may not go w/ the Odom deal.

However, the most important thing is that he's gone absolutely solemn, not telling anyone in the office or whatever a word. He said this usually means he's nearing a deal and doesn't want anything to leak, and that something usually happens 3-5 days afterward.
::groan, mumble, blah:: Crying inside at the thought of Kobe going back to initiator.
 
Dallas Morning News - No matter what Charles Barkley and other announcers might think the Mavericks should do, the team is not in the Ron Artest sweepstakes.

"It's not gonna happen," Mavericks owner Mark Cuban said before Friday's game against Seattle.

Barkley, Kenny Smith and other national analysts have linked the Mavericks with the disgruntled Indiana Pacers forward, who has requested a trade. The experts have said Artest would be a piece who could put a select few teams on par with San Antonio and Detroit.

"If I was the Suns, Mavericks or Heat, I would try to trade for Ron Artest," Barkley said Thursday during the Mavericks-Kings game on TNT. "[They are] the only three teams that have an outside chance of gaining on Detroit and San Antonio, so they might as well roll the dice.

"If no one makes a trade, [Detroit and San Antonio] are the teams that will play for the championship."

Kenny Smith, Barkley's co-host on TNT's wraparound show, agreed.

"Those three teams [Phoenix, Dallas and Miami] can take a chance because they are already good, so he can never explode the situation, he can only enhance it," Smith said.

Coach Avery Johnson only laughed when told of the commentators' thoughts.
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38417/20051224/cuban_mavs_not_interested_in_deal_for_artest/

As said before, Cuban: "No.". ;)

Suns and Heat won't be dealing for Artest, either.
 
Why no Artest trade yet? Here's why: Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh has some good bosses.

Ownership's willingness to empower Walsh to keep Artest on the inactive list for the rest of the season if necessary -- with pay -- alleviates some in-house pressure on Walsh to rush into a so-so deal.
The only other reason to make a deal quickly would be if the wait for a better offer became a distraction detrimental to the team, and it's conceivable that Indy will reach that point eventually. Yet with the Pacers accustomed to bigger distractions than this after last season, and with Danny Granger already showing flashes of his Poor Man's Artest potential, Walsh figures his team can keep winning pretty regularly in the short-term while he keeps looking.
Among the possibilities Indy has apparently dismissed is the, uh, interesting idea of Minnesota signing-and-trading Latrell Sprewell to the Pacers (along with Michael Olowokandi) for Artest.
The Wolves haven't renounced their rights to Sprewell, who would likely make more money in a sign-and-trade than he could waiting for someone to sign him outright -- even if the minimum three-year contract he would be obligated by league rules to sign in such a scenario came with only one year guaranteed. Yet the Pacers, for some reason, aren't prepared to give Artest's locker to Spree.


The Lakers, meanwhile, are not optimistic about their chances of acquiring Ron Artest, no matter how much Phil Jackson likes Ron-Ron and no matter how loudly certain media gnats plea for this to happen. L.A. simply lacks the pieces to deal directly with the Pacers and has been unable to concoct a three-team deal that interests Indy.
The Pacers, according to NBA front-office sources, would rather deal with the Lakers' co-tenants anyway. The Clippers, though, have resisted -- even though the prospect of importing Artest doesn't scare coach Mike Dunleavy one bit.
It's also believed that owner Donald Sterling would embrace the idea of adding Artest and all zaniness that comes with the big-name buzz, but Clips management remains unwilling to part with Corey Maggette. Chris Wilcox is the best player they're willing to include a deal for now.
You can argue that this isn't the time, given Clipperland's first tangible stability in forever, to be gambling on Artest. It's an argument I would echo. Yet it's also undeniably tantalizing to imagine Artest -- assuming you could actually count on him -- forming a beastly frontcourt partnership with Elton Brand. Or Artest playing power forward, shifting Brand to center and running Shaun Livingston as a point forward alongside Sam Cassell and Cuttino Mobley.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-051224-25

Quite interesting...
 
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SoupIsGood said:
Eh, so much for the odom deal, sounds like it went dead. =/ I want a trade soon
Word- when artest finally goes its gonna be a catalyst for trades in the rest of the league...its kinda like everyones just watching and not doing anything till the big Artest trade finally goes down....
 
[SIZE=+1]Ron for the hills[/SIZE]
Indiana CEO Donnie Walsh hopes to pull the trigger on a deal to move Ron Artest in the coming days. As Walsh explained last week, it would take something "unusual" for him to back off his decision to trade Artest.
"And I haven't even given any thought to what 'unusual' is," he said. "No, I don't see myself coming up with that."
So Artest is going to get his wish. He's in limbo now. The Pacers are keeping him as far away from teammates as possible. Apparently, that's the way the players want it. Last week, he sent word that he wanted to meet with teammates to give his side, but they turned him down.
In the meantime, Walsh is considering many options.
"With as many teams that have called me about Ronny, they obviously don't think he's going to be a problem," Walsh said. "The surprising thing is that most of the interest I've gotten has come from teams out West. Which makes some sense, because if you look at the standings, there are 10 or 11 teams in contention. If you put Ron Artest on any one of those, I'll guarantee you that they will jump up in the standings."
Some of the teams Walsh referred to include the Clippers, Timberwolves, Nuggets and Warriors. Even the Lakers are said to have interest. The Pacers feel they have enough players to man the point-guard spot. So they're looking to package backup Anthony Johnson in any deal. They're also well over the salary cap this year ($79 million) and next season ($69 million), so they'd also like to move some bad contracts when they deal Artest.
Walsh would prefer to get a young player and a draft pick in return. But don't look for him to bring in another small forward, not after what he's seen out of rookie Danny Granger. "He's got a chance to be a player on the par of Ron Artest someday," said Walsh of his first-round pick, taken 17th overall in June. "He's not that right now. But the way he's playing, it's making it easier for us not to rush into any deal."
Understandable with the stuff about Granger - the guy's a stud. I love 'em. Need to see more of him though :).

I bet Artest goes to the T'Wolves or Nuggets.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/story/377481p-320700c.html
 
I'd actually rather we keep our young guys. While both inconsistent (Price has only played garbage time and just got his first minutes on Thurs), I really like what I have seen from them in their good/productive games this year, as well as their abilities.
 
Apparenty Walsh said that the Warriors are in contention to get Artest. Man, how perfect would that be for them? I would think they would have to give up Diogu, who literally destroyed Sheed the other day on offense. May be worth it for them to do it however.

A lineup of Baron, Jrich, and Artest would be nasty! He would also give them some post game which is what they need.
 
How good is Diogu? I know nothing about the kid.

Pietrus or Biendris would also be nice prospects in an Artest trade. I could defintely get excited about a trade W/ GS.

Davis/Richardson/Artest/Murphy/Foster? With Granger, I don't think the Pacers need Foster. What would GS give up for Artest + Foster?
 
SoupIsGood said:
How good is Diogu? I know nothing about the kid.

Pietrus or Biendris would also be nice prospects in an Artest trade. I could defintely get excited about a trade W/ GS.

Davis/Richardson/Artest/Murphy/Foster? With Granger, I don't think the Pacers need Foster. What would GS give up for Artest + Foster?
Diogu looks like the could be a very good offensive weapon someday. He kind of reminds me of Elton Brand w/o the rebounding and shotblocking. He looks to be only about 6'6" or 6'7" but can do his thing in the post without any problems.

I don't think Diogu would really fit in with what the Pacers need and probably can't help you guys right now but he could be a good trade piece or backup.

And I wouldn't be too sure about the Warriors taking on much salary or longer deals back because they just paid out a lot of cash to Foyle, Jrich, and Dunleavy Jr. I also hear they are very high on Pietrus and doubt they would give up all 3 of their young guys.

Maybe this:

Golden State Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Ike Diogu
6-8 PF from Arizona State
6.9 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 12.5 minutes

Mickael Pietrus
6-6 SG from France (Foreign)
10.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 22.1 minutes

Adonal Foyle
6-10 C from Colgate
4.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 24.0 minutes

Incoming

Jeff Foster
6-11 C from Southwest Texas State
2.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 18.4 minutes

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.5 ppg, -1.4 rpg, and +1.0 apg.

Indiana Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Jeff Foster
6-11 C from Southwest Texas State
2.9 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 18.4 minutes

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

Incoming

Ike Diogu
6-8 PF from Arizona State
6.9 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 0.3 apg in 12.5 minutes

Mickael Pietrus
6-6 SG from France (Foreign)
10.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 0.8 apg in 22.1 minutes

Adonal Foyle
6-10 C from Colgate
4.4 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 0.5 apg in 24.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: -0.5 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and -1.0 apg.


Foyles deal sucks but if they want to put Foster in the deal this is how I see it.
 
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I'd be very surprised if the Warriors traded IKE. They're quite high on him. That's the last guy next to Richardson I'd think about in trading.

He's gonna be a stud, and while it was college, he was a total beast at ASU. Has already had a handful of nice games, including going 13-15 for 27 points and 7 boards at Detroit last Friday.

Ike is 6'7"/6'8", and he can rebound and block shots.

I could see them giving up Taft/Zarko/Biedrins, maybe Pietrus, as far as their young guys go.

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/ikediogu.asp
 
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Kings113 said:
I'd be very surprised if the Warriors traded IKE. They're quite high on him. That's the last guy next to Richardson I'd think about in trading.

He's gonna be a stud, and while it was college, he was a total beast at ASU. Has already had a handful of nice games, including going 13-15 for 27 points and 7 boards at Detroit last Friday.

Ike is 6'7"/6'8", and he can rebound and block shots.

I could see them giving up Taft/Zarko/Biedrins, maybe Pietrus, as far as their young guys go.

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/ikediogu.asp
Yeah, but Indy would be stupid to take that. They wouldn't want Taft. Zarko?! Yeah right. Biedrins maybe. But not as the centerpiece of any deal, he's still a big time project. Maybe the Warriors won't be able to put up much of a deal.

Pietrus and Taft would be a bad deal for Indy.
 
Ha..

Never said Indy would take any of them, nor did I say a specific trade. Just who would be considered/selected out of their young guys for a trade by the Warriors.
 
Kings113 said:
Ha..

Never said Indy would take any of them, nor did I say a specific trade. Just who would be considered/selected out of their young guys for a trade by the Warriors.
Oh, no I didn't mean it like that.

Its just until you started putting names out there I realized that there aren't many things from the Warriors that would appeal to me if I were Indy.