Artest trade stuff HERE!! (merged)

[Ryle]

Don't underestimate the out of control wild and craziness that is Jeff Foster.

Foster is pretty much what the Kings need. The Dude plays D and rebounds and couldn't care less about offense......with that said, Adelman would probably decide he can't help the team and wouldn't play him.

 

[Kings113]

Foster was awesome in the playoffs last year...

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

And now for the obligatory Ron Artest update … what a difference a week makes. While rumors and speculation continue to swirl, Artest told the Indianapolis Star on Saturday that he "should have been a man and spoken with coach about [his] differences with him," and also let loose with the revelation, "Yes, I would like to return to the team." While some Pacers players and coach Rick Carlisle are not commenting publicly about the issue, instead deferring to management, Jermaine O'Neal has been an exception. O'Neal responded to Artest's request with strong words – he said, "We can never play together. If he came back somehow, it would be him or me." Don't anticipate the Pacers to waffle over that decision – GM Donnie Walsh has stated that if he can't make a trade involving Artest that isn't to his liking, he will simply leave him on the inactive list.

Quote taken from another board, where the OP cited Yahoo.

 

[VF21]

See. Proof positive that Jermaine O'Neal is just a trouble-maker.

 

[BMiller52]

Quote taken from another board, where the OP cited Yahoo.

DARNIT! Too bad Donnie doesn't take back ron ron and we don't trade for JO.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I stand by my SAR/Peja/Adelman for JO/Carlisle deal.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

That'll teach me to try to sleep with the radio on...

Just as I was trying to rack out for the night, I hear this little tidbit on ESPNRadio, and had to get up to see if I could find a corroborating source online:

WRTV.com: Artest Goes to Radio to Explain Himself, Slams Magic Johnson

An excerpt from the article:

Artest said some of the criticism he has received has been unfair. Former NBA great Magic Johnson said Artest doesn't deserve a second chance in the NBA.

"It's like saying, 'Magic, should your wife give you another chance?'" Artest said "He's saying Ron Artest should have no more second chances. What's worse -- me saying I want to be traded or you cheating on your wife?"

Wow. Just... wow.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Wow. Just... wow.

I'm almost too speechless to even respond with a "ditto."

 

[VF21]

I'm so glad I read this before I turned in for the night.

Ron Artest has irrefutably proven once again that you should never challenge worst...as in "Wow. Demanding a trade is the worst possible thing Artest could do."

Maybe we should be placing bets on at what point in time Artest's agent will retire to ... spend more time with his family.

...

That one is beyond priceless.

 

[Kings113]

Indianapolis Star - It's apparent that Ron Artest's change of heart about playing for the Indiana Pacers won't affect Donnie Walsh's decision to trade the former All-Star forward. The Pacers CEO said Monday that he's in the process of narrowing the list of suitors for a deal.

"Right now I'm looking to see what's doable," Walsh said.
Walsh, who has said he will leave Artest on the inactive list until he can make a deal, reiterated he's not going to rush into anything. The NBA's trading deadline is Feb. 23. Walsh declined to discuss the Artest situation specifically Monday.

Meanwhile, Artest is doing his best to salvage a relationship with some of his teammates. He met with Stephen Jackson and Jermaine O'Neal for about three hours Sunday night.

"It was a very positive conversation," O'Neal said. "We held nothing back. We not only talked about things that have happened this year, but also in years past. He knows what he did was wrong. He understands the situation he put himself in. I was upfront with him and told him the team is upset with him and we're going to move on without him."

A lot has been made about O'Neal and Artest's relationship.

"It's not about me and Ron. Our relationship hasn't taken a hit off the court," O'Neal said. "I want to play with him or against him in an All-Star Game one of these days. I have a lot of respect for what he does on the court. He may be the best player in the league that plays both ends of the court."

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38377/20051220/walsh_moves_ahead_with_work_on_trade/

 

[Gargamel]

I'm so glad I read this before I turned in for the night.

Ron Artest has irrefutably proven once again that you should never challenge worst...as in "Wow. Demanding a trade is the worst possible thing Artest could do."

Maybe we should be placing bets on at what point in time Artest's agent will retire to ... spend more time with his family.

...

That one is beyond priceless.

He assumed a lot on that one. Magic got married a month before his HIV was detected (by accident, during a insurance related checkup). I doubt he's cheating a month into his marriage. Plus, HIV takes upwards of a year or more to register in someone's blood, usually 6 months at the least. Based on him assuming that Magic caught HIV by cheating, we'd have to know when he and his wife got back together in a boyfriend/girlfriend capacity.

Also, Magic's comment from TNT was misconstrued to Artest on purpose. Magic said (paraphrased) that if he screws up again in his NEW destination, he probably won't be offered another nice contract. I'm not sure whether that's true or not, but it did happen to J.R. Rider and towards the end, Rodman was only getting one-years at discount rates.

Artest is a hair-trigger ghetto schizo. That's about the most succintly as he can be described. Tru Warier my ***. He can't even keep himself on the court.

 

[SoupIsGood]

On ESPN radio about 2:30pm west coast, the fill in guy was talking to ESPN's Rick Bucher and the topic was Corie Maggette for Artest, straight up. Corie being a scorer, runner, hustler and can play 2 or 3.

THAT would worry me, having him on the Clips, in the west. That could put the clips up very close to Spurs.

Bucher also made a comment that in talking with someone high up in Pacers that Artest is not even the craziest guy on the team!! Could Pollard be crazy/crazier?? Stephen Jackson? interesting comment.

I really like the Magette rumor, I think it could be good for both teams... well definitely for the Pacers. For the Clipps it would depend on how much they think they need Artest's lockdown perimeter skills.

Crazier than Artest? Stephen Jackson, no question. Read much of Bill Simmons' stuff? He explains it pretty well.

I think both Artest + Jax are going gone. Maybe the Clipps want both, either Jax or Cat could give them a solid 6th man.

Supposedly Ron will be traded at the end of this week.

 

[SoupIsGood]

Foster is pretty much what the Kings need. The Dude plays D and rebounds and couldn't care less about offense......with that said, Adelman would probably decide he can't help the team and wouldn't play him.

I'm teetering on the edge of thinking the Pacers need to trade Jeff Foster. I'm not there yet, but it might be coming. Same for Tinsley.

 

[BMiller52]

I really like the Magette rumor, I think it could be good for both teams... well definitely for the Pacers. For the Clipps it would depend on how much they think they need Artest's lockdown perimeter skills.

Crazier than Artest? Stephen Jackson, no question. Read much of Bill Simmons' stuff? He explains it pretty well.

I think both Artest + Jax are going gone. Maybe the Clipps want both, either Jax or Cat could give them a solid 6th man.

Supposedly Ron will be traded at the end of this week.

Please don't let ron be to the clippers, then we'd be really screwed.

 

[Kings113]

Cassell
Mobley
Artest
Brand
Kaman

That'd be pretty damn good, Clippers still need a bench though (can't believe they wanted to get BOTH SAR and Bonzi for their bench in the summer).


Bibby
Bonzi
Artest
SAR
Brad Miller

I dig.


Baron
J-Rich
Artest
Murphy
Foyle

eek!


Jaric
Hassell
Artest
KG
Olowokandi

Hassell/Artest would be a ridiculous combo! Plus KG.


Andre Miller
Artest
Carmelo
K-Mart/Najera
Camby/Elson

Depending on health, but Miller/Artest/Melo is still a hell of a trio.


Ridnour
Ray
Artest
Evans
Collison

...


Smush (this guy is good, may well get MIP)
Kobe
Artest
Kwame/Odom
A center

Would def. push them to a near-top/top team.


Terry
Daniels/Howard
Artest
Dirk
Dampier

Quite scary, but it won't happen.


Telfair
Patterson/Miles
Artest
Randolph
Pryzbilla

Along with their young guys, would be a pretty good team, likely later.


Deron
Artest
AK47
Boozer
Okur

That'd be good.


Paul
JR Smith
Artest
West
PJ Brown/Andersen

Solid.

 

[Kings113]

Some interesting bits from NY Papers:

"A Sonic source says Seattle, for all intents and purposes, bailed out of the bidding for Artest when it categorically declined to stuff Nick Collison in the stocking."

"Indiana CEO Donnie Walsh said yesterday he has no interest in veteran players the Knicks would give up for Ron Artest, making a deal with New York extremely unlikely. "They're not in the hunt," Walsh said."

"While there is talk the Pacers want to send Artest to the West for the Clippers' Corey Maggette, Walsh said the Clippers haven't specifically offered the forward. "There's nothing imminent," he said."

http://www.nypost.com/sports/59940.htm

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/story/376255p-319710c.html

 

[captain bill]

Sounds like Walsh is asking for top players off all interested teams, and no one is biting. Doesn't really suprise me. He's really gonna have to settle for less if he wants to trade him (and you can bet he won't keep Artest inactive- his value would plummet). This may turn in to a Webber type deal, where he just gets some spare parts that may or may not help out. Peja isn't sounding so bad any more.

 

[VF21]

"While there is talk the Pacers want to send Artest to the West for the Clippers' Corey Maggette, Walsh said the Clippers haven't specifically offered the forward. "There's nothing imminent," he said."

Translation: They won't take Walsh's calls.

 

[SoupIsGood]

At this point it sounds like Walsh has it narrowed down to a few deals and he is deciding between them

 

[BMiller52]

Okay we really need Ron aka the Kobe stopper. I'm sick of seeing this team lose, Ron would stop that. Face it guys, this is getting near the point of no return. Artest-I don't care how mental he supposedly is-I'm sick of losing. We're going to go and get beat down by Dallas on thursday because they're going to come out with a vengeance after kobe's 62 and we have nobody to stop anybody. We don't even have a leader. It's looking unlikely that we're going to get Ron but I don't know what's wrong with Geoff. I'm sick of losing and feel like slamming my head into a metal wall if it means we get some wins and make some trades. I don't know if any of you guys care about this as much as I do-------but we need to do something here. I'm sick of hearing how psycho ron is-he's still a person just like you and me, he has feelings, I'm sure that all this talk of people saying "Oh yeah look at the freak of nature mentally ron artest! He's a cancer! He's a loser!" etc. has him feeling pretty badly. What have we got to lose? The fans aren't paying to see this team if we don't get wins anyways, and if we don't have fans we don't have an arena, and if we don't have an arena we don't have the kings. Ron is a TOP TEN PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE. Isn't this what everyone's saying we need? Well then we just go and nitpick and find something wrong with him and overmagnify(is that even a word???) it.


Come on Geoff, get me a christmas present-bring ron artest to sacramento.

 

[Gargamel]

I'm sick of hearing how psycho ron is-he's still a person just like you and me, he has feelings, I'm sure that all this talk of people saying "Oh yeah look at the freak of nature mentally ron artest! He's a cancer! He's a loser!" etc. has him feeling pretty badly. What have we got to lose?

If you trade Peja for him, you have a lot to lose. You cannot trust him at all to be on court for any game. He can blow at any time, reg season or playoffs. And if he doesn't want to play in a city like Sacramento, he would try to bolt as early as possible like Webber (and I don't know if he has a dad to convince him to stay like Webber did -- I don't know if he has a dad).

 

[Diabeticwonder]

With Bonzi going down for what could be a long time, Petrie needs to pull the trigger on something because Martin and Garcia will not cut it at the 2. Therefore, I present you with trade scenario #1,267 for Ron Artest so Ron can become our 2 guard in Bonzi's absence:



Atlanta Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Al Harrington
6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 37.6 minutes
Incoming
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
6.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 17.7 minutes
Voshon Lenard
6-4 SG from Minnesota
8.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 19.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.5 ppg, -4.0 rpg, and +1.0 apg.


Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
6.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 17.7 minutes
Voshon Lenard
6-4 SG from Minnesota
8.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 19.9 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
5.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.4 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
5.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.7 ppg, +2.1 rpg, and -2.1 apg.


Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Incoming
Al Harrington
6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 37.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.0 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
5.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.4 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
5.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.1 minutes
Incoming
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +8.2 ppg, -1.1 rpg, and +0.2 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Denver, Indiana, and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Denver, Indiana, and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

[Kings113]

I like it a bunch.

 

[ONEZERO]

Would atlanta really want to lose harrington and only recieve a injury proned veteran and a point guard?

 

[captain bill]

With Bonzi going down for what could be a long time, Petrie needs to pull the trigger on something because Martin and Garcia will not cut it at the 2. Therefore, I present you with trade scenario #1,267 for Ron Artest so Ron can become our 2 guard in Bonzi's absence:



Atlanta Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Al Harrington
6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 37.6 minutes
Incoming
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
6.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 17.7 minutes
Voshon Lenard
6-4 SG from Minnesota
8.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 19.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.5 ppg, -4.0 rpg, and +1.0 apg.


Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
6.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 17.7 minutes
Voshon Lenard
6-4 SG from Minnesota
8.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 19.9 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
5.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.4 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
5.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.7 ppg, +2.1 rpg, and -2.1 apg.


Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Incoming
Al Harrington
6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 37.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.0 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
5.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.4 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
5.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.1 minutes
Incoming
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +8.2 ppg, -1.1 rpg, and +0.2 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Denver, Indiana, and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Denver, Indiana, and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Sacramento does it, Indiana might do it, Denver spits on it and Atlanta wonders why everyone thinks they don't know anything about basketball.

 

[BMiller52]

Well now that peja's back is injured, no artest for us. THANKS A LOT FOR WAITING GEOFF

 

[Diabeticwonder]

As to the trade I posted: Sac and Indiana would do it and Atlanta may very well do it. Harrington is an expiring contract and they are loaded at the SF position. This would free up a ton of minutes for Marvin Williams. They also get a real point guard in return and a long distance shooter who has an expiring deal. Getting Denver to bite on it though would be the toughest sale. However, Denver wants to get rid of Voshon and they need front court and wingman depth.

 

[kingsfan916]

With Bonzi going down for what could be a long time, Petrie needs to pull the trigger on something because Martin and Garcia will not cut it at the 2. Therefore, I present you with trade scenario #1,267 for Ron Artest so Ron can become our 2 guard in Bonzi's absence:



Atlanta Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Al Harrington
6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 37.6 minutes
Incoming
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
6.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 17.7 minutes
Voshon Lenard
6-4 SG from Minnesota
8.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 19.9 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.5 ppg, -4.0 rpg, and +1.0 apg.


Denver Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Earl Watson
6-1 PG from UCLA
6.6 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 2.6 apg in 17.7 minutes
Voshon Lenard
6-4 SG from Minnesota
8.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 1.5 apg in 19.9 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
5.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.4 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
5.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.1 minutes
Change in team outlook: -3.7 ppg, +2.1 rpg, and -2.1 apg.


Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Incoming
Al Harrington
6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 37.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.0 ppg, +3.0 rpg, and +0.9 apg.


Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
5.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.3 apg in 17.4 minutes
Kevin Martin
6-7 SG from Western Carolina
5.3 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 15.1 minutes
Incoming
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +8.2 ppg, -1.1 rpg, and +0.2 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Denver, Indiana, and Sacramento being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Denver, Indiana, and Sacramento had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Agreed

 

[Kings113]

Denver Post - Indiana forward Ron Artest's agent expects his client to spend this holiday season in a Pacers uniform.

The Pacers still plan to trade Artest, who recently requested to be dealt and then changed his mind.

The Nuggets have acknowledged talking to Indiana about Artest and are rumored to be dangling forward-center Nene and guard Earl Watson in exchange for Artest and guard Anthony Johnson.

Artest's agent, Mark Stevens, said Wednesday he is talking to Pacers president Donnie Walsh regularly and expects a trade after the holidays.

Walsh told The Indianapolis Star he doubted a trade would happen this week and said he was still trying to narrow teams for a two- or three-team deal.

"We're just waiting to hear," Stevens said. "Of course, we are part of the process, and no team wants a player that doesn't want to be in that city."

Stevens said he and Artest have not discussed the Nuggets.

"If that becomes an option, we'll cross that bridge when we reach it," Stevens said. "But right now it's not an option. To speculate would be like saying, 'What would you do with a million dollars?' When you get the million dollars, then you decide what to do with it."

Artest told The Indianapolis Star: "I'm anxious to find out what's happening because I'm ready to get back on the court and start playing again."

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38396/20051222/artest_trade_wont_happen_until_after_holidays/

 

[DocHolliday]

We can't do a Peja for Artest trade now. Peja now has a stamp of damaged goods. His disc or discs that are bulging will eventually herniate. 1 or 2 years who knows. You can keep trying to get the disc to go back into place, but it will always slip out again. Peja's value just tanked.