Artest rejected the deal!?!?

[VF21]

Just for the record would you apply these same sentements to the the Kings relationship with Pedja?

I would never expect Petrie or the Maloofs to sit Peja down and ask him where he'd like to be traded to... and if it's okay. And I certainly don't think Peja would expect it.

The whole thing that boggles my mind the most is that Artest is acting as though he has a right to be party to the negotiations. And a lot of people have no problem with it at all...

Today has been The Day of Confusion.

 

[atxrocker]

Today has been The Day of Confusion.

you can say that again

 

[HndsmCelt]

I would never expect Petrie or the Maloofs to sit Peja down and ask him where he'd like to be traded to... and if it's okay. And I certainly don't think Peja would expect it.

The whole thing that boggles my mind the most is that Artest is acting as though he has a right to be party to the negotiations. And a lot of people have no problem with it at all...

Today has been The Day of Confusion.

Indeed I find is amazing that a Nutbag who is NOT allowed to play by the team that holds his contract would belive he had any input in their decison to move is paper. I find it APALLING that the team is actually doing a sit down with the nut bag instead of seeking relife from his contract.

 

[Bricklayer]

I would never expect Petrie or the Maloofs to sit Peja down and ask him where he'd like to be traded to... and if it's okay. And I certainly don't think Peja would expect it.

The whole thing that boggles my mind the most is that Artest is acting as though he has a right to be party to the negotiations. And a lot of people have no problem with it at all...

Today has been The Day of Confusion.

What's to have a problem with? Bigger concerns regarding Artest. If anything its a boon to us since we will actually have had a chance to meet the nutcase and lay a groundwork before he comes. Or alternately, we will have heard things from his own mouth to deter such a move. In either case there is no way I would trade for a guy like Artest UNLESS I had had a chance to speak with him beforehand.

Think he's deluded to have requested such a thing, but in the grand scale of Artest problems is this even a blip? Far rather this than trade for him wihtout meeting him and have him pout or implode on our bench.

 

[Bricklayer]

I find it APALLING that the team is actually doing a sit down with the nut bag instead of seeking relife from his contract.

He's an asset. You no more just toss said asset aside than you just burn the money in your wallet because you are upset with capitalism. They are meeting with him for the 100% rational reason that meeting with him might result in them getting Peja. By far the best outcome for that organization. And if not, THEN I think they suspend him wihtout pay, and think they may have the right too under the CBA as well for refusing to report.

 

[kennadog]

What's to have a problem with? Bigger concerns regarding Artest. If anything its a boon to us since we will actually have had a chance to meet the nutcase and lay a groundwork before he comes. Or alternately, we will have heard things from his own mouth to deter such a move. In either case there is no way I would trade for a guy like Artest UNLESS I had had a chance to speak with him beforehand.

Think he's deluded to have requested such a thing, but in the grand scale of Artest problems is this even a blip? Far rather this than trade for him wihtout meeting him and have him pout or implode on our bench.

And that's my problem with it. The guy is absolutely clueless. You cannot change behavior if you are totally unaware of what's wrong with your colossally self-centered behavior. He's an emotional infant in an adult body.

 

[HndsmCelt]

He's an asset. You no more just toss said asset aside than you just burn the money in your wallet because you are upset with capitalism. They are meeting with him for the 100% rational reason that meeting with him might result in them getting Peja. By far the best outcome for that organization. And if not, THEN I think they suspend him wihtout pay, and think they may have the right too under the CBA as well for refusing to report.

At this point Artest is NOT an asset. He WAS a POTENTIAL asses, that is his value to the team since he is unplayable is ONLY a good as his trade value and BEFORE this mess that value is Pedja as he currenlty plays. NOW that Artest has aparently single handedly killed this deal by refusing to play in Sac what might his value be? Bird will try to keep that value up by resurecting the deal, but if the Kings stay away then who will offer what for Ron? So as a POTENTIAL asset I would suggest he is devaluing RAPIDLY. There comes a point where the money owed on his contract is worh more than any offer they can get and at that point you seek relife. This "asset" is unstable and unpridictable much like dynnamite. You may have several million invested in dynamite but just keeping in the garage may not be the best move.

 

[Bricklayer]

At this point Artest is NOT an asset. He WAS a POTENTIAL asses, that is his value to the team since he is unplayable is ONLY a good as his trade value and BEFORE this mess that value is Pedja as he currenlty plays. NOW that Artest has aparently single handedly killed this deal by refusing to play in Sac what might his value be? Bird will try to keep that value up by resurecting the deal, but if the Kings stay away then who will offer what for Ron? So as a POTENTIAL asset I would suggest he is devaluing RAPIDLY. There comes a point where the money owed on his contract is worh more than any offer they can get and at that point you seek relife. This "asset" is unstable and unpridictable much like dynnamite. You may have several million invested in dynamite but just keeping in the garage may not be the best move.

No, but getting the guy next door to take it into his garage is.

Ron Ron is supposed to be the irrational one acting on emotion here, not the theoretically intelligent men in the front offices. The Pacers already screwed up by waiting so long to move him. To stop trying now would just be another screwup. They need him gone, and if meeting with him makes him go away, then its an immensely small price to pay. Seriously do not see what the big deal is about meeting with the guy. So what? He's not going to bite you. Well, probably.

 

[foretaz]

i think the point is the pacers arent in a position to get relief from his contract....though they might not be too opposed to that road if it came their way at this point....

as long as ron doesnt refuse to report, hes ok....since no deal was approved by the league, he never failed to report....

and the pacers need help....some help is better than no help....theyve lost bender with no help in return....the team is spiralling out of control and needs some help....

u dont get that by shelving the guy and looking for contract relief...

u just go back to doing what u were doing....wait till u get an offer from the clippers, lakers, nuggets, twolves, warriors, knicks, or cavs that u can live with....

if they can get out of paying him his salary till the deal is done, they certainly will try....but u gotta believe, especially by whats been said already, that rons agent is gonna make sure he and ron say things in such a manner that that doesnt happen....

 

[foretaz]

I would never expect Petrie or the Maloofs to sit Peja down and ask him where he'd like to be traded to... and if it's okay. And I certainly don't think Peja would expect it.

The whole thing that boggles my mind the most is that Artest is acting as though he has a right to be party to the negotiations. And a lot of people have no problem with it at all...

Today has been The Day of Confusion.

let me add a potential answer to why this is the case....

prior to the maggette deal ron spent time with dunleavy and company....

its also apparent he spent time with at least one other team...probably the lakers...

those conversations obviously provided great comfort to ron and made him look forward to going to those teams....he felt wanted, among other things....dont underestimate that fact....he has insecurity issues....thats how this whole saga got started in the first place....

enter the kings deal today....hes thinking hes going to those teams hes already talked to....they want him, he wants them...hes been looking at houses, the whole works.....in rons mind, his world got turned upside down...

and ron doesnt do well in that scenario....hence probably why u have him saying he would like to be involved....in his mind, just like he was involved by talking to the clippers and lakers ahead of time...

 

[kennadog]

So Ron expects to be treated with respect for his feelings.....when he shows absolutely no respect for anyone else's. Sorry, but I think he shows zero understanding or insight into why he constantly screws things up and what he needs to do to change it.

 

[foretaz]

understand something....those meetings with the clippers and lakers were at those teams request....

they wanted to sit down with ron and discuss things before they agreed to a deal....

a job interview, if u will....

well it appears it was quite beneficial to both sides....

and it appears it set a precedent, in rons mind....

 

[VF21]

And, interestingly enough, neither of those teams apparently came away from those meetings impressed enough to make serious offers.

That, in and of itself, should say something...

I hear a noise...

I think it might be a train whistle.

The bridge is out!

Team train Kings could be headed for another train wreck!

 

[kennadog]

Well Foretaz, I'm just a Kings fan who really does not want Ron to come to my team. I really do not want his problems and have no patience with any excuses for his infantile behavior. The Pacers and their fans gave him umpteen chances and he just doesn't get it. Plenty of other Kings fans will welcome him with glee, if he comes here. If he ends up here, I'll accept that, hope it turns out okay and pray he doesn't screw over this franchise, too. But I wouldn't bet my house on him.

 

[VF21]

^^Word.

 

[kennadog]

And, interestingly enough, neither of those teams apparently came away from those meetings impressed enough to make serious offers.

That, in and of itself, should say something...

My thought on that too, VF. Beneficial, but resulted in a big, fat zero.

 

[Bricklayer]

And, interestingly enough, neither of those teams apparently came away from those meetings impressed enough to make serious offers.

That, in and of itself, should say something...

I hear a noise...

I think it might be a train whistle.

The bridge is out!

Team train Kings could be headed for another train wreck!

Well, actually the Clips offered Maggette. Which I still find bizarre, but whatever. The Lakers would be the frightening destination -- PJ of all people might be able to partially control Artest, and then that would just be scary.

 

[foretaz]

And, interestingly enough, neither of those teams apparently came away from those meetings impressed enough to make serious offers.

That, in and of itself, should say something...

I hear a noise...

I think it might be a train whistle.

The bridge is out!

Team train Kings could be headed for another train wreck!

well, for whats its worth, the clips offered maggette after the meeting....now im sure we can have differing opinions about maggette and his health....

so who knows...

we also have numerous comments from phil regarding ron...again..who knows...

i dont blame teams for trying to get a great deal...

thats what theyre all in the business of doing...

and really, the point i was trying to make with those meetings was why ron might be wanting 'to be a part of the negotiations'....

thats all...

 

[BMiller52]

Well Foretaz, I'm just a Kings fan who really does not want Ron to come to my team. I really do not want his problems and have no patience with any excuses for his infantile behavior. The Pacers and their fans gave him umpteen chances and he just doesn't get it. Plenty of other Kings fans will welcome him with glee, if he comes here. If he ends up here, I'll accept that, hope it turns out okay and pray he doesn't screw over this franchise, too. But I wouldn't bet my house on him.

I agree with kennadog.

To be honest, a while ago I DID want Ron. Now I see how he can screw your franchise over without being a part of the team and not even being on the court.

 

[ParniValjak]

No. Kings did something smart, they couldn't have seen this coming. Ron Artest shot us in the gut.

Dude we are talking about Ron Artest here. With him you always expect the unexpected. He is such a nutter, if he wasn't a talented basketball player, he would be locked up in a loony bin somewhere.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

You guys are pathetic, when I (and few others) tried to tell you what kind of a nut job Ron is, 80% of you called us Peja homers. Now those same people are wishing for worst to happen to Ron. Bunch of hypocritres.

 

[Indianapolis King]

Dude we are talking about Ron Artest here. With him you always expect the unexpected. He is such a nutter, if he wasn't a talented basketball player, he would be locked up in a loony bin somewhere.

Couldn't have said it any better...Ron the Nutter.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

Couldn't have said it any better...Ron the Nutter.

Yes but according to majority of the fans here Rick will "tame' him

 

[Indianapolis King]

Yes but according to majority of the fans here Rick will "tame' him

I wouldn't count on that. If Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh, and the ever-forgiving fans of Indianapolis, weren't enough to tame him and get him to be somewhat normal, I can't imagine any other place and combination of people would get RA over the "crazy" hump. Kings are my second favorite team, so RA coming to Sactown doesn't really make me happy. RA being suspended w/out pay for the remainder of his contract (a couple of years not playing) would make me happy. Pacers aren't likely to get much for him now that EVERYONE knows he is a nutter.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

I wouldn't count on that. If Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh, and the ever-forgiving fans of Indianapolis, weren't enough to tame him and get him to be somewhat normal, I can't imagine any other place and combination of people would get RA over the "crazy" hump. Kings are my second favorite team, so RA coming to Sactown doesn't really make me happy. RA being suspended w/out pay for the remainder of his contract (a couple of years not playing) would make me happy. Pacers aren't likely to get much for him now that EVERYONE knows he is a nutter.

Agree with you 100%. Try explain that to 80% of the fans here who were under the impression Ron is the next saviour and his past misdeeds would magically disappear once he is in the Kings uniform.

Boy did they get a wake up call

 

[Indianapolis King]

you experienced one day with RA--we have had to deal with this type of psycho-babble for the last 2 years.

"I want to take a month off to concertrate on my music career"
"I'm not sorry I went into the stands to protect myself"
"We are going to win the championship--I owe the team, the city that much"
"I changed my mind about the championship thing, now I want to be on another team, and that stuff about owing the city, etc--that was something my agent told me to say. Did you know that I'm crazy?"
"About that wanting off the team stuff, I didn't really mean that, it was Crazy Ron that said that"

You get the point. I would like to trade him to Vancouver. (and yes I know they don't have a team anymore)

 

[mcsluggo]

And, interestingly enough, neither of those teams apparently came away from those meetings impressed enough to make serious offers.

That, in and of itself, should say something...

I hear a noise...

I think it might be a train whistle.

The bridge is out!

Team train Kings could be headed for another train wreck!

The clippers offered Maggette. You don't consider that a serious offer?

The Lakers are bereft of upper-mid-level talent. They chose NOT to offer Odom, the only remotely appropriate option, which is not surprising, since he is a more valuable asset than peja (Would you trade Peja for Odom?)

 

[tubiscus]

It'll Happen....

Just my opinion. The trade WILL happen. Then we'll get bombarded with spin about how Artest never really said he didn't want to come here, how he loves Sacramento, how he loves and respects the Sacramento fans etc.

The expectation would then be that he'll get boo'd at ARCO.
I vote for DEAD SILENCE! Let him prove he can play and stay off the suspension list. It won't happen. He'll be another T.O.

It'll be a disaster, just like almost every Petrie move of the past 2 years!

 

[gman23]

Stern should BAN HIM FOR LIFE.

AGREED

 

[DocHolliday]

Just my opinion. The trade WILL happen. Then we'll get bombarded with spin about how Artest never really said he didn't want to come here, how he loves Sacramento, how he loves and respects the Sacramento fans etc.

The expectation would then be that he'll get boo'd at ARCO.
I vote for DEAD SILENCE! Let him prove he can play and stay off the suspension list. It won't happen. He'll be another T.O.

It'll be a disaster, just like almost every Petrie move of the past 2 years!

If the crowd goes dead silent I will be the only one clapping feverishly and yelling GO RON. SHOW THEM ALL WHAT'S UP. The Kingsfans have never booed a new player, I'd be very disappointed if that happens.