Artest rejected the deal!?!?

[thesanityannex]

Agree with you 100%. Try explain that to 80% of the fans here who were under the impression Ron is the next saviour and his past misdeeds would magically disappear once he is in the Kings uniform.

Boy did they get a wake up call

I didn't see anyone proclaiming Artest as the next savior. 80% percent of the fans here were just tired of Peja's pathetic play.

 

[DocHolliday]

Agree with you 100%. Try explain that to 80% of the fans here who were under the impression Ron is the next saviour and his past misdeeds would magically disappear once he is in the Kings uniform.

Boy did they get a wake up call

Well he's not the next saviour but you can't blame Kings Fans for thinking that. I mean it's always happened in the past. Maybe that Indian burial ground below Arco has some good effects to.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

I didn't see anyone proclaiming Artest as the next savior. 80% percent of the fans here were just tired of Peja's pathetic play.

Agreed on Peja's play but when the small minority of us suggested Peja should be traded for anyone but Artest we were labelled Peja-homers. You still WANT him after he's declared he does not want to play here. I sure do hope "you" get him.

 

[VF21]

DeAtHrOw - Knock it off. You've had your say.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

DeAtHrOw - Knock it off. You've had your say.

What happened to free speech? And what did I say that was not true?

 

[VF21]

You've made your point. Calling members of this forum hypocrites, etc. is unacceptable. I'm guessing you're not chained to a chair with your computer somehow locked on Kingsfans.com If you cannot remain civil about fellow members of this forum, you're more than welcome to go elsewhere.

This is a pretty tense time all the way around. Nothing is quite as easy as it seems or simple as it looks. Emotions are high and people are really confused, upset, etc. about what's happening.

There's no need to poke sticks or stir the pot. If you cannot abide by that, I'll make it much easier for you.

EDIT: And just so you know for future reference? Free speech does NOT pertain to a privately owned website. You don't even want to begin to go down that road.

Keep it civil and things will be fine.

 

[DeAtHrOw]

Thanks for deleting my post. It's so much easier to argue when your opponent can't fight back

 

[kingsfan52miller]

If the crowd goes dead silent I will be the only one clapping feverishly and yelling GO RON. SHOW THEM ALL WHAT'S UP. The Kingsfans have never booed a new player, I'd be very disappointed if that happens.

i wouldnt boo, but no other player has screwed us quiet like this..this is just embarassing

 

[coolhandluke]

Indeed I find is amazing that a Nutbag who is NOT allowed to play by the team that holds his contract would belive he had any input in their decison to move is paper. I find it APALLING that the team is actually doing a sit down with the nut bag instead of seeking relife from his contract.

Right on! I can't believe that the Pacers are so naive to treat this guy like a normal person. All these giving 672375 chances for Ron to somewhat become a dependable person is akin to a battered wife taking back her husband after being repeatedly abused. Why reward bad behavior again and again? Why put up with crap by being "forgiving" and act all so hurt when you get let down again by this guy. By not making Artest hold up his commitment, the Pacers have spoilt him and lost their dignity in that process. It's funny to see some Kings fans in that mode already.

"Throw a little tantrum and you get what you want" is a simple and easy way for Ron to control things around him. Whether he does this consiously or intuitively is open to debate. All this posturing, dramatic 180 degree change in opinions, misplaced priorities and lack of any concern for those who stood by him etc. makes me believe that this guy has issues in coping with reality. Only by being tough, can you work with this guy and it probably helps if you are a masochist . All these being soft, being "understanding", giving yet another chance, removing responsibility for any unacceptable behavior has not done anything better to improve the situation, rather it has made things even worse as the Pacers must realize by now.

Now, why would the Kings want to deal with this nutcase?

 

[Padrino]

Thanks for deleting my post. It's so much easier to argue when your opponent can't fight back

i dont think VF was arguing with you. she's a moderator, and was moderating, cuz frankly, you were being a jerk.

the fact of the matter is, yes, i'm one of the "80%" who wanted ron ron to come to the kings. and i am one of the few remaining who still wants him to come to the kings. ron artest, despite his insanity, is a much greater asset to have, contract-wise, then peja stojakovic, and he is also the greatest value the kings could possibly get for peja stojakovic. there is no other straight-up deal better (in terms of talent and value) then this one. there is still interest around the league in ron artest. he may not be the "savior" of the kings, but that doesn't mean a desperate team like atlanta or toronto wouldn't think he is. it's pretty clear that indiana doesn't want to deal with those kinds of desperate teams, but the kings could, easily, and the kings have time on their side. indy wants to rid themselves of artest very soon, and move on with their season. the kings would have time to shop him around, find out where the interest is, and make an appropriate trade, one that would send the kings more value in return than they would get for peja. that, to me, would be smart general managing. we'd have to deal with artest's attitude for at least the rest of the season, but oh well. i say take a risk. take a chance. don't be forced to do what indiana is doing right now. indy has no choice but to give ron up for much less than he's worth. the kings will have to do the same with peja if the artest trade falls through, because peja's agent is right, the kings should not expect peja to want to play for them after this whole fiasco. peja probably would still play, but that's beside the point. his value will have dropped tenfold beyond what is has already dropped if this trade falls through. artest is the deal on the table, and not coincidentally, it's the absolute best deal available.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Sometimes you have to look beyond the talent of an individual and look at of your team would truly benefit from a particular trade. With Ron Artest, i just dont see that

 

[Sac.Kings]

i only see days of mayhem and destruction with kings fans running for their lives like chickens with their heads cut off.

 

[starks]

i dont think VF was arguing with you. she's a moderator, and was moderating, cuz frankly, you were being a jerk.

the fact of the matter is, yes, i'm one of the "80%" who wanted ron ron to come to the kings. and i am one of the few remaining who still wants him to come to the kings. ron artest, despite his insanity, is a much greater asset to have, contract-wise, then peja stojakovic, and he is also the greatest value the kings could possibly get for peja stojakovic. there is no other straight-up deal better (in terms of talent and value) then this one. there is still interest around the league in ron artest. he may not be the "savior" of the kings, but that doesn't mean a desperate team like atlanta or toronto wouldn't think he is. it's pretty clear that indiana doesn't want to deal with those kinds of desperate teams, but the kings could, easily, and the kings have time on their side. indy wants to rid themselves of artest very soon, and move on with their season. the kings would have time to shop him around, find out where the interest is, and make an appropriate trade, one that would send the kings more value in return than they would get for peja. that, to me, would be smart general managing. we'd have to deal with artest's attitude for at least the rest of the season, but oh well. i say take a risk. take a chance. don't be forced to do what indiana is doing right now. indy has no choice but to give ron up for much less than he's worth. the kings will have to do the same with peja if the artest trade falls through, because peja's agent is right, the kings should not expect peja to want to play for them after this whole fiasco. peja probably would still play, but that's beside the point. his value will have dropped tenfold beyond what is has already dropped if this trade falls through. artest is the deal on the table, and not coincidentally, it's the absolute best deal available.

OK.... what is plan C?...Very possible scenario: if we assume that artest suddenly change his mind and now he wants to be in sac…..and next summer we got offer let's say from atlanta; harington for artest or even better, toronto want to trade bosh for artest and again he refuse to go in atalanta or toronto....what we are going to do?....convince those teams that he might not play but he has great trade value?....can we get anything from NYN or LAL for artest?.......ask larry bird how hard is to trade guy who doesn't want to play

 

[Warhawk]

ron artest, despite his insanity, is a much greater asset to have, contract-wise, then peja stojakovic, and he is also the greatest value the kings could possibly get for peja stojakovic. there is no other straight-up deal better (in terms of talent and value) then this one. there is still interest around the league in ron artest. he may not be the "savior" of the kings, but that doesn't mean a desperate team like atlanta or toronto wouldn't think he is. it's pretty clear that indiana doesn't want to deal with those kinds of desperate teams, but the kings could, easily, and the kings have time on their side. indy wants to rid themselves of artest very soon, and move on with their season. the kings would have time to shop him around, find out where the interest is, and make an appropriate trade, one that would send the kings more value in return than they would get for peja. that, to me, would be smart general managing. we'd have to deal with artest's attitude for at least the rest of the season, but oh well. i say take a risk. take a chance. don't be forced to do what indiana is doing right now. indy has no choice but to give ron up for much less than he's worth. the kings will have to do the same with peja if the artest trade falls through, because peja's agent is right, the kings should not expect peja to want to play for them after this whole fiasco. peja probably would still play, but that's beside the point. his value will have dropped tenfold beyond what is has already dropped if this trade falls through. artest is the deal on the table, and not coincidentally, it's the absolute best deal available.

OK, I don't see how Special's contract situation is better than Peja's. We'd have 2.5 years of anchor chain we're wrapping around our necks and throwing overboard, anchor first, if he blows up again and isn't playing.

Interest? Yeah, I guess, but is that the reason the best offer they can get for him is an injured Maggette or Peja after him sitting for a month? And it would be higher because of yesterday's antics in your mind instead of lower exactly why?

You say don't be forced to do what Indy is doing now?!?!?!? Isn't that EXACTLY what would happen if Special donned our unis? We'd be bringing this to ourselves and the rest of the league would be laughing their behinds off if we went through with the deal now anfter what has transpired.

 

[kingsfan52miller]

I know alot of laker fans who still want him

 

[DeAtHrOw]

i dont think VF was arguing with you. she's a moderator, and was moderating, cuz frankly, you were being a jerk.

Agreed I might be a jerk but I spoke the truth.

What would you call someone who begs to get Artest and then the next day wishes him a torn ACL or whatever else.

Be realistic please.

 

[Padrino]

Agreed I might be a jerk but I spoke the truth.

What would you call someone who begs to get Artest and then the next day wishes him a torn ACL or whatever else.

Be realistic please.

hey...i cant speak for everybody. i'm only speaking for myself. i've been begging that petrie would trade peja since peja requested to be traded...which is about the time peja for artest rumors first surfaced. i have been a proponent of this very trade since minute one, and i havent backed down from it yet. don't just assume everyone is a hypocrite if you arent acquainted with their entire stance on the situation.

 

[ParniValjak]

I didn't see anyone proclaiming Artest as the next savior. 80% percent of the fans here were just tired of Peja's pathetic play.

Unfortunately now, you will be tired of lot more things with Artest.

All I got to say for those Artest hommers / Pedja haters, be careful what you wished for.