Yes.Purple Reign said:Was there a foul called on the play? I don't remember!!
TJinTX said:After viewing the clip, I'd have to say that it does appear intentional. Still don't think it should of been a Flagrant 2, though.
I'm not sure they're calling it a flagrant 2, it's the Anthony Peeler rule that is being invoked... no forearms or fists to the head.Bricklayer said:If they want to call that an F1, okay. Not an F2. Not even terribly close even with what I am sure was some Manu overacting.
Folsom Al said:It ain't Ginobili's fault ... he didn't make the call (or the non-call)![]()
DeAtHrOw said:Intentional yes, deserving a suspension? Hell no.
Then why is Manu not suspended for hitting Ron on the mouth?uolj said:I'm not sure they're calling it a flagrant 2, it's the Anthony Peeler rule that is being invoked... no forearms or fists to the head.
Well I don't think either should be suspended, but I'd imagine it would be because Artest putting his forearm into Ginobli's head was obviously intentional, whereas Ginobli's elbow was not. Also, if I remember correctly the rule was about forearms and fists, not elbows.coolhandluke said:Then why is Manu not suspended for hitting Ron on the mouth?
I think the point is they are trying to stop a player from "throwing a punch". It's hard to do that with your elbow, but it can be done easily with a fist or forearm (see Peeler, Anthony).Folsom Al said:Maybe the NBA needs a LESSON IN BONES![]()
The elbow is one of THE TOUGHEST BONES IN THE HUMAN BODY
The Refs obviously DID see it beceause the called the foul. It's the Leage (at Pop's urging) that has second guessed the call making it a flagtrant 2. I have real issues with this at a lot of levels. It may not exactly undermine the refs authority, but it does say we reserve the right to pile on peneltys. It does NOTHING to stop physical play... infact the message here is clear. "Spurs have carte blance to rock-n-roll, Kings better think twice about any but the softest of fouls." There was a lot of physical paly out there by BOTH teams to chery pick one incident not significantly different thatn any of probably 50 others is bad sampeling. To only punish one team, by suspending ont of their best players is tantamount to TAMPERING.bibbinator said:I see the bald head of a ref walk right by, looks like he's watching the whole thing as it happens.