Anyone else think Cousins can be the 2nd playmaker next to Tyreke

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mr. moustache

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We've all been wanting a playmaking SG or combo guard to pair with Tyreke. The logic is pretty sound; we DO need another ball handler and playmaker when he's in the game.

After watching Cousins in the summer league, I'm starting to think we DON'T need playmaking from our SG. The guy wants to create for other players, maybe even more than our star PG.

Making good entry passes into the post is going to get guys playing time this year. I can easily see him being a 3-4 assist center in this league. Maybe more depending on how the offense is run.
 
I know i never wanted a play making SG. To answer your question, absolutely Cousins can be the 2nd playmaker next to Tyreke. He might even be able to be the 1st playmaker. We have 2 super talents on our team.
 
I don't really care if we get another play maker at SG next to Tyreke. What I want out of our SG is 3 things: Defense, outside shooting, & ball-handling skills. As for the rest of the team, I want everyone to be willing passers. That was one of the things that made the Kings so much fun to watch back with CWebb and Vlade.

Cousins has shown that he has very good passing skills (can be special in that area). We already know that Tyreke, Beno, Garcia, Greene, & JT can all pass well. Casspi has shown the ability (not always the willingness), and Landry is at least an average passer. I am not sure how much of a passer Dalembert is (never really paid attention with him), and so far it is a big weakness for Whiteside. Unselfish teams usually end up with a lot of assists, which leads to a lot of pts on good shooting.
 
mr. moustache said:
We've all been wanting a playmaking SG or combo guard to pair with Tyreke. The logic is pretty sound; we DO need another ball handler and playmaker when he's in the game.

After watching Cousins in the summer league, I'm starting to think we DON'T need playmaking from our SG. The guy wants to create for other players, maybe even more than our star PG.

Making good entry passes into the post is going to get guys playing time this year. I can easily see him being a 3-4 assist center in this league. Maybe more depending on how the offense is run.
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Yes, this is very good and sophisticated thinking...mostly because it has mirrored my own while watching Boogie play. :p Its actually why when earlier today somebody raised Ronnie Brewer's name I seriously considered it, and considered the main drawback his lack of outside shooting, not playmaking. We have been trying to find this revolutionary do-everything guard to provide playmaking support to Reke, but after seeing just how naturally and willingly Cousins distributes the ball, I am wondering if that is really going to be needed now. Reke and Cousins are going to be our two stars, and BOTH guys have the ability to draw doubles and set people up. There's your two playmakers -- the two guys who are going to have the ball all the time. Not only does it potentially free you up to look at a wider variety of guys at longterm SG, but it could have implications for Beno v. Cisco as well. With Boogie and Reke on the floor dominating the ball and creating shots, having Beno as PG 1a on the floor might not be as important.
 
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Screw your combo guard. Give me Eric Bledsoe or Ty Lawson and this team is complete. Cousins can make all the plays he wants, but that's not going to help the bench when he's not in the game. Right now the bench is:

Donald Sloan lol - Garcia - Casspi - Thompson - Dalembert

There is no play making in this lineup lol. No ball handling either. Oh god. So as you can see, that play-making-ball-handling-defending-sharpshooting player we all want has to be the ultimate bench player. (Bobby Jackson was 6th man of the year. The ultimate bench player.)

Ty Lawson is that player.
 
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cuad said:
Screw your combo guard. Give me Eric Bledsoe or Ty Lawson and this team is complete. Cousins can make all the plays he wants, but that's not going to help the bench when he's not in the game. Right now the bench is:

Donald Sloan lol - Garcia - Casspi - Thompson - Dalembert

There is no play making in this lineup lol. No ball handling either. Oh god. So as you can see, that play-making-ball-handling-defending-sharpshooting player we all want has to be the ultimate bench player. (Bobby Jackson was 6th man of the year. The ultimate bench player.)

Ty Lawson is that player.
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Move Beno back to the 6th man slot and start Cisco. There, your supposed problem solved.

Remember that Bobby was more of a combo than anything else. He wasn't the greatest of playmakers, just a high energy guy who left it all out on the field. You always saw at least one of the other big ball handlers on the court with him at the same time (Webb, Bibby, Doug, Vlade [later Brad]) and so you didn't have much of a problem. There's no reason we can't do that now. (On a side note, Doug would have been the ideal guard to have next to Reke)
 
cuad said:
Screw your combo guard. Give me Eric Bledsoe or Ty Lawson and this team is complete. Cousins can make all the plays he wants, but that's not going to help the bench when he's not in the game. Right now the bench is:

Donald Sloan lol - Garcia - Casspi - Thompson - Dalembert

There is no play making in this lineup lol. No ball handling either. Oh god. So as you can see, that play-making-ball-handling-defending-sharpshooting player we all want has to be the ultimate bench player. (Bobby Jackson was 6th man of the year. The ultimate bench player.)

Ty Lawson is that player.
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How often is the entire bench unit on the floor at the same time with none of the original starters on the floor? :rolleyes:
 
Tetsujin said:
Move Beno back to the 6th man slot and start Cisco. There, your supposed problem solved.
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My only problem with the roster is that I can't trust anyone on it to stay in front of John Wall other than Tyreke. It hurts me to think about Tyreke chasing Wall around for four quarters. One quarter (the fourth) would be fine, but all four is asking too much.

That's why I'm on Ty Lawson's + Bledsoe's nuts. Because, they're fast enough.
 
cuad said:
My only problem with the roster is that I can't trust anyone on it to stay in front of John Wall other than Tyreke. It hurts me to think about Tyreke chasing Wall around for four quarters. One quarter (the fourth) would be fine, but all four is asking too much.

That's why I'm on Ty Lawson's + Bledsoe's nuts. Because, they're fast enough.
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We'd only face Wall twice a year which isn't enough times to make me worry about finding one guy to specifically deal with him.
 
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Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, Chris Paul, Devin Harris... All guys who would burn Beno and Garcia, and waste Tyreke's energy. There are certainly more out there.

You know what. I'm thinking now that that might not be much of a weakness with Dalembert and Whiteside to clean up defensive mistakes. (The Lakers got away with Fisher by having Gasol and Bynum) But still Ty Lawson is the kind of player you don't have to make room for. You just put him in when you need him, and let him grow as Beno gets older. So, he won't disrupt the lineup or anyone else's minutes.

In fact, I think that's what the Maloofs and GP were looking for in Donald Sloan. But he sucks and they would have been better off blindly signing Sherron Collins and gluing his hands to a jump rope.
 
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cuad said:
Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, Chris Paul, Devin Harris... All guys who would burn Beno and Garcia, and waste Tyreke's energy. There are certainly more out there.
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But just as they'd beat up on us, Tyreke would punish them. Plus, that's also why we picked up some big men to shore up our interior D. And if you're relly worried about it, zone up against them to limit some of the damage.
 
Tetsujin said:
But just as they'd beat up on us, Tyreke would punish them. Plus, that's also why we picked up some big men to shore up our interior D. And if you're relly worried about it, zone up against them to limit some of the damage.
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To follow up your thoughts: by playing Lawson next to Tyreke. That lets Wall or whoever guard Lawson instead of Tyreke, and so we lose the mis match.

You're right about that. Now I see why we all want an SG over a PG... to keep that mismatch. Which means the Kings would have to find the 6'5 Ty Lawson. That's a tough task. Anyone with that size and ability is unattainable because he'd have a fat contract somewhere else.

So now the FO would have to decide which abilities are a must, and which the team can sacrifice.

Height, speed, defense, shooting, ball-handling/playmaking.
 
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cuad said:
My only problem with the roster is that I can't trust anyone on it to stay in front of John Wall other than Tyreke. It hurts me to think about Tyreke chasing Wall around for four quarters. One quarter (the fourth) would be fine, but all four is asking too much.

That's why I'm on Ty Lawson's + Bledsoe's nuts. Because, they're fast enough.
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i hear ya on reke chasing wall but how is it going to be on defense w/ wall defending reke? hes going to get punished if he doesn't get help.
 
The Cisco starting/Beno off the bench move has been the obvious solution to roster imbalance for a long time. Insto balance, and creates the matchup mightmare for opposing PGs (although ideally I would like a more forceful guy next to Reke than Cisco -- if I was an opposing team I would put my PG on Cisco with minimal fear of him really punishing them)

And my Reke power/size mismatch is almost always going to trump some piddly quickness mismatch. A big strong guy like Reke has counters to quickness, muscling midgets and looming over them, allowing him to play off an extra foot to counter quickness (and now backed by size/shotblocking to boot). A quick little PG has no counter at all to Reke,
 
I think Greene will totally flourish in this system if Cousins acts as the low post play maker and Evans either drives it or shoots the mid range jumper. Either Cousins or Evans could kick out to Greene, or pass to a slashing Greene. Or Evans could slash and dish to Cousins.. The possibilities are endless.
 
Weird part is I can actually see him becoming our primary play maker in the half court. Big men who can really pass are rare as hell these days. I haven't seen this type of passing since Vlade and Chris and he's 19 folks. If I see this dude do the behind the back BS that CWebb used to do I'll lose it hahaha. I thought Hawes could pass and make plays but I was wrong and I think it was because he didn't call for that rock. DMC is showing so far(In summer league)that when he gets the ball down low he's either gonna score or give it up for a nice layup. It's a beauty to watch out there so far, I really can't wait to see him play Tim Duncan he might get schooled but he'll learn so much from that schooling.

It's gonna be great to watch Reke and DMC gel together in time with the skills they possess alone, imagine these two running the pick n roll/pop it's going to be unstoppable.
 
Kingsguy881 said:
More like if LBJ and Shaq had played together in their primes. Kobe is a scorer. Tyreke is multi-faceted like James.
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Agreed. Kobe's hardly anything other than a celebrated Flip Murrey.

As much as I don't like the guy, he can score, pass, rebound, and defend. He's pretty damn multi-faceted.
 
Cousins can definitely make plays with the pass, so yes, he will be a play maker.

You need more than two play makers on your team though. Actually, five would be preferable. Cisco should be a good playmaker as the two-guard for now. He's fairly good at passing, while both stationary and on the move. Longer term, we need a better version of Cisco, a more athletic version of Cisco. I'm totally opposed to the notion that all we need is a 2-guard that sits at the 3 point line combing his hair while Tyreke and Cousins monopolize the ball. To me, that's just settling for mediocrity when you don't need to settle. Give me an athletic two-guard who is athletic, defends, dribbles, passes, and shoots, especially one that can hit an open three pointer when the game is on the line. That's all I want. No biggie.
 
DeMarcus Cousins’ Passing Ability
July 14th - NBAplaybook.com
One thing that a rookie big struggles to pick up when they come from college to the pros is passing. This is because the ways that teams send doubles are different and more complicated, there is more ball pressure, and the defenders are bigger/quicker. However, DeMarcus Cousins looks very comfortable identifying defenses and making the correct pass in the half court. Cousins was only credited with one assist during his debut, but he showed the type of instincts you don’t usually see as a rookie, let alone a 19 year old rookie...


http://nbaplaybook.com/2010/07/14/demarcus-cousins-passing-ability
 
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1. Cousins Ready To Get Physical For Kings
By Zach Harper
TrueHoop Network

Historically, the Sacramento Kings haven't been known for being a physical team.

When they were challenging the Lakers for Western Conference supremacy, Scot Pollard and Lawrence Funderburke were probably their two toughest interior players. Chris Webber and Vlade Divac were more likely to impress you with their shooting and passing ability than with their brute strength and imposing physical presence.

Fast-forward nearly a decade and the Kings have gone through a huge face-lift. With the debut of DeMarcus Cousins in the Las Vegas Summer League, they've officially become a powerful, physical team. It started with the addition of rookies like Tyreke Evans, Omri Casspi and Jon Brockman. The front office decided to start a new era of Kings basketball that centered on toughness and all-around skill. With the addition of Cousins, the prized big man from Kentucky, they've continued the trend of physical players...

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-100713/daily-dime
 
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