Anyone else get the feeling...

[Boogie_Fever]

It wouldn't shock me if he is traded. The masses are out with their pitchforks and they are coming for Boogie with Peaches at the forefront of the mob.

 

[Glenn]

It wouldn't shock me if he is traded. The masses are out with their pitchforks and they are coming for Boogie with Peaches at the forefront of the mob.

How big of a group do you think these "masses" are? If it is restricted to people who listen to the radio, it may not be many at all. I hope Grant understands that he is in the process of driving Boogie away. If Grant gets his way, that will have hurt us a lot. His ratings are not my concern. I am more concerned with the Kings.

I wonder how much Boogie knows of what Grant thinks of him.

 

[Boogie_Fever]

How big of a group do you think these "masses" are? If it is restricted to people who listen to the radio, it may not be many at all. I hope Grant understands that he is in the process of driving Boogie away. If Grant gets his way, that will have hurt us a lot. His ratings are not my concern. I am more concerned with the Kings.

I wonder how much Boogie knows of what Grant thinks of him.

Knowing how Boogie is, he knows everything said about him and who said it. He probably needs to stop paying attention to the outside noise.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

It wouldn't shock me if he is traded. The masses are out with their pitchforks and they are coming for Boogie with Peaches at the forefront of the mob.

I guarantee you that if Cousins is traded, it won't be because of Grant talking bad about him on his radio show, and it won't be because of callers calling in to complain about Cousins on said radio show.

 

[New Era]

I think it's hilarious there are so many people who say it's all Grant's fault as if Boogie hasn't brought a lot of this on himself. Don't forget that Grant travels with the team and is around these guys for the entire season. He sees and hears stuff that we aren't privy to and he's not going to say it all on the radio. You can say what you want about Grant but he is just as passionate, or more, about this team as we are all.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

I don't buy it. I think the odds are saying they'll have one more year of Cousins and sees how it works out. The coach will be the scapegoat as usual. We are all left wondering, writing equations for how a Demarcus Cousins playoff bound Kings is going to work. The general consensus seems to be... Slow pace + Defense (Thibs) = playoffs. I honestly don't know what can work with Cousins on the King's throne. This isn't sour grapes, I literally don't have an answer for that question. I've seen many sides to a DMC led Kings, and I'm less sure than I was 3-4 years ago.

whatever happens, we all win if the Kings win... Obviously. Irrelevant of how it happens. Cousins or no Cousins. In the words of DJ Khaled... Just win

 

[LPKingsFan]

I guarantee you that if Cousins is traded, it won't be because of Grant talking bad about him on his radio show, and it won't be because of callers calling in to complain about Cousins on said radio show.

Not to even concede the silly point, but if personnel decisions are being made based on fan/media opinion, then we have a problem with the decision makers, not the fans or media.

 

[hrdboild]

I think it's hilarious there are so many people who say it's all Grant's fault as if Boogie hasn't brought a lot of this on himself. Don't forget that Grant travels with the team and is around these guys for the entire season. He sees and hears stuff that we aren't privy to and he's not going to say it all on the radio. You can say what you want about Grant but he is just as passionate, or more, about this team as we are all.

He also has a track record of turning on our best players and bad mouthing them incessantly until they're gone. I'm sure he would be thrilled to have a team full of Scott Pollards and Jon Barrys. Sure those are fun guys to root for too but some of us want to see the Kings win games and that doesn't come without star players, prickly personalities and all.

 

[dude12]

The day Napear and Voison and Furillo and Breton have any input not who should be traded is the day I stop being a fan of the team. So Cousins is a pain in the ass and gets techs....big effing deal.

 

[Im Still Ballin]

Apparently Karl is getting fired either today or tomorrow

 

[New Era]

He also has a track record of turning on our best players and bad mouthing them incessantly until they're gone. I'm sure he would be thrilled to have a team full of Scott Pollards and Jon Barrys. Sure those are fun guys to root for too but some of us want to see the Kings win games and that doesn't come without star players, prickly personalities and all.

Right. And just how many wins has Boogie led us to in the past 6 seasons? How many playoff appearances?

 

[Bricklayer]

Not to even concede the silly point, but if personnel decisions are being made based on fan/media opinion, then we have a problem with the decision makers, not the fans or media.

Really, we have a problem with both.

When you have a silly inexperienced owner who can be swayed by public opinion and what he said or she said, you can no longer afford to have those he saids and she saids being idiots.

Not to mention of course if you have a bunch of chumps burning a dude in effigy on radio/online it quite reasonably can make the target of that abuse unhappy, thus increasing the chances of him leaving. So yes it matters. Not only does it matter, it is the INTENT of a lot of the media sliming and mean spirited fans. They would like to drive him from town.

And so it is my intent to stand on the other side and shout the mob down.

 

[Bricklayer]

Right. And just how many wins has Boogie led us to in the past 6 seasons? How many playoff appearances?

Over the past 3, Boogie has led us to roughly 50% of our wins.

But here is a minor, teeny, tiny point..INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS DO NOT WIN GAMES!!! TEAMS DO. FRANCHISES DO.

If you threw Steph Curry onto the 76ers this year people, apparently yourself included, would run around talking about what a loser and statpadder he was. Its B.S. If Cousins was on the Hawks or Clippers this year, wow, bingo, look at that, he's in the playoffs and making somebody dangerous.

 

[Boogie_Fever]

Not to even concede the silly point, but if personnel decisions are being made based on fan/media opinion, then we have a problem with the decision makers, not the fans or media.

They hired a coach due to overwhelming fan demand (Karl). So, it wouldn't shock me if they were listening to the angry fans and are now starting to turn on Boogie as well.

 

[LPKingsFan]

They hired a coach due to overwhelming fan demand (Karl). So, it wouldn't shock me if they were listening to the angry fans and are now starting to turn on Boogie as well.

Exactly. We had a problem with the decision makers. Hopefully they learned.

Otherwise, we are drafting John Wallace.

 

[funkykingston]

Over the past 3, Boogie has led us to roughly 50% of our wins.

But here is a minor, teeny, tiny point..INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS DO NOT WIN GAMES!!! TEAMS DO. FRANCHISES DO.

If you threw Steph Curry onto the 76ers this year people, apparently yourself included, would run around talking about what a loser and statpadder he was. Its B.S. If Cousins was on the Hawks or Clippers this year, wow, bingo, look at that, he's in the playoffs and making somebody dangerous.

Here are the number of wins the Warriors had during Steph Curry's first four years:

26
36
23 (this was the lockout shortened year so it correlates to 28 or 29 wins in an 82 game season)
47

What changed in that fourth year? Quite a few things.

One was that they had the same head coach for two straight seasons after going from Nellie to Smart to Jackson in Curry's first three years.
Another was that Steph finally stayed healthy, playing in 80 games after only playing in 23 the year before
But I'd argue the biggest was an influx of talent and a balancing of the roster.

The Dubs essentially tanked in 2011. Curry was hurt all year and they traded their leading scorer and best playmaker in Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut who was injured and wouldn't play again that season. That led to another top 10 pick (#7) which they used to draft Harrison Barnes while using the late first (from SA) to grab Festus Ezeli and their 2nd rounder on Draymond Green. And they even signed undrafted Kent Bazemore giving them one of the most impressive hauls of rookies I can remember. Meanwhile the trade for Bogut meant that they both gained a defensive anchor & rebounder and also moved away from small ball, putting the ball firmly in Curry's hands as the PG and shifting Thompson to SG to allow Barnes to grow into the SF role.

In the subsequent offseasons after that it was just smart signings, notably Iguodala - the type of FA that probably wouldn't have even consider GS a couple years previously as well as guys like Speights, Livingston, Barbosa etc and growth from their talented core.

What if they'd shipped out Curry in the deal for Bogut? Sending him to the Bucks because despite his talent he wasn't leading the team to wins and his frequent injuries were a major source of frustration and concern. What are the odds that he's a back-t0-back MVP in that scenario?

I don't know if Cousins can be a winner in the right situation. I have concerns that his attitude brings his team down instead of building it up and I worry that he lacks the mental toughness to push through when things get tough. But I also know he hasn't been put in a situation to succeed. And I'd much rather see Vlade try and provide that next season and then reassess next offseason than to deal Cousins now and hope that sparks a rebuild. Especially in a year with a pretty weak draft.

 

[New Era]

Over the past 3, Boogie has led us to roughly 50% of our wins.

But here is a minor, teeny, tiny point..INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS DO NOT WIN GAMES!!! TEAMS DO. FRANCHISES DO.

If you threw Steph Curry onto the 76ers this year people, apparently yourself included, would run around talking about what a loser and statpadder he was. Its B.S. If Cousins was on the Hawks or Clippers this year, wow, bingo, look at that, he's in the playoffs and making somebody dangerous.

Really. 50%? Can you show me the stats because I'm calling BS on that.

Also, the games where he got himself suspended....do those not count because I feel like they should.

 

[SacKings384]

Over the past 3, Boogie has led us to roughly 50% of our wins.

But here is a minor, teeny, tiny point..INDIVIDUAL PLAYERS DO NOT WIN GAMES!!! TEAMS DO. FRANCHISES DO.

If you threw Steph Curry onto the 76ers this year people, apparently yourself included, would run around talking about what a loser and statpadder he was. Its B.S. If Cousins was on the Hawks or Clippers this year, wow, bingo, look at that, he's in the playoffs and making somebody dangerous.

Steph Curry on the Sixers would win more than 33 games. Steph Curry on this team would win more than 33 games.

 

[Bricklayer]

Steph Curry on the Sixers would win more than 33 games. Steph Curry on this team would win more than 33 games.

No he wouldn't on the first one.

Yes he would on the second. Well, probably. Since he plays the same position as 2 of our Top 4 current players it wouldn't exactly be a dynergistic add to subtract Cousins and add Curry to a Rondo/Collison backcourt.

 

[funkykingston]

Steph Curry on the Sixers would win more than 33 games. Steph Curry on this team would win more than 33 games.

The Warriors averaged 30 wins in Curry's first three seasons

The Kings averaged 25 wins in Cousins' first three seasons.

Steph Curry is an offensive force like this league has never seen before but I don't think putting him on the Sixers would result in 23 more wins. Without all the great players/shooters around him like in GS I think Curry would see a box-and-one pretty much every game.

 

[KingMilz]

Here are the number of wins the Warriors had during Steph Curry's first four years:

26
36
23 (this was the lockout shortened year so it correlates to 28 or 29 wins in an 82 game season)
47

What changed in that fourth year? Quite a few things.

One was that they had the same head coach for two straight seasons after going from Nellie to Smart to Jackson in Curry's first three years.
Another was that Steph finally stayed healthy, playing in 80 games after only playing in 23 the year before
But I'd argue the biggest was an influx of talent and a balancing of the roster.

The Dubs essentially tanked in 2011. Curry was hurt all year and they traded their leading scorer and best playmaker in Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut who was injured and wouldn't play again that season. That led to another top 10 pick (#7) which they used to draft Harrison Barnes while using the late first (from SA) to grab Festus Ezeli and their 2nd rounder on Draymond Green. And they even signed undrafted Kent Bazemore giving them one of the most impressive hauls of rookies I can remember. Meanwhile the trade for Bogut meant that they both gained a defensive anchor & rebounder and also moved away from small ball, putting the ball firmly in Curry's hands as the PG and shifting Thompson to SG to allow Barnes to grow into the SF role.

In the subsequent offseasons after that it was just smart signings, notably Iguodala - the type of FA that probably wouldn't have even consider GS a couple years previously as well as guys like Speights, Livingston, Barbosa etc and growth from their talented core.

What if they'd shipped out Curry in the deal for Bogut? Sending him to the Bucks because despite his talent he wasn't leading the team to wins and his frequent injuries were a major source of frustration and concern. What are the odds that he's a back-t0-back MVP in that scenario?

I don't know if Cousins can be a winner in the right situation. I have concerns that his attitude brings his team down instead of building it up and I worry that he lacks the mental toughness to push through when things get tough. But I also know he hasn't been put in a situation to succeed. And I'd much rather see Vlade try and provide that next season and then reassess next offseason than to deal Cousins now and hope that sparks a rebuild. Especially in a year with a pretty weak draft.

What changed aside from the team getting better is Curry improved more than any player in the NBA while Cousins still does not even have a go to move to rely on. Cousins still makes the same mistakes he's been making for years both on the court and how he interacts with officials and the organisation. Also the "what if they sent Curry to the Bucks", why would they despite not winning he was a good team guy that didn't bring any toxic energy into the place which has been the opposite for Cuz sadly. If Cousins did not bring all the other crap aside from his play no one would want him traded including myself.

 

[fansinceday1]

Steph Curry on the Sixers would win more than 33 games. Steph Curry on this team would win more than 33 games.

No way curry develops here like he developed in GS.
So, curry wouldn't have developed. He'd be surrounded by has beens, d-leaguers, just plain mediocre players, and a cast of coaches who can't find jobs anywhere else or are looking for that large final paycheck. Our fans would consider him a 3 point chucker, maybe a ball hog, and would want him traded. He's been here all these years and hasn't delivered us more than 30 wins. GET HIM OUTTA HERE!

Also, GS has a competent FO. Ours, not so much.

I can say with 100% certainty draymond green would be more vilified here in sac. He's a talented player but very emotional during games. He argues with the refs, whines, and can be a real pri ck. Sound familiar? If he was on the sixers, lakers, or Kings, he'd be cousins x10. IMO, there's no way DG would have lasted as long here as cousins has. Then again it all goes back to FO competency. First off, we never would have got draymond because our drafting history is downright dismal. Or, if we accidentally stumbled onto him, we might have just given him away over a stupid FO/coaching feud.

 

[King Baller]

Here are the number of wins the Warriors had during Steph Curry's first four years:

26
36
23 (this was the lockout shortened year so it correlates to 28 or 29 wins in an 82 game season)
47

What changed in that fourth year? Quite a few things.

One was that they had the same head coach for two straight seasons after going from Nellie to Smart to Jackson in Curry's first three years.
Another was that Steph finally stayed healthy, playing in 80 games after only playing in 23 the year before
But I'd argue the biggest was an influx of talent and a balancing of the roster.

The Dubs essentially tanked in 2011. Curry was hurt all year and they traded their leading scorer and best playmaker in Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut who was injured and wouldn't play again that season. That led to another top 10 pick (#7) which they used to draft Harrison Barnes while using the late first (from SA) to grab Festus Ezeli and their 2nd rounder on Draymond Green. And they even signed undrafted Kent Bazemore giving them one of the most impressive hauls of rookies I can remember. Meanwhile the trade for Bogut meant that they both gained a defensive anchor & rebounder and also moved away from small ball, putting the ball firmly in Curry's hands as the PG and shifting Thompson to SG to allow Barnes to grow into the SF role.

In the subsequent offseasons after that it was just smart signings, notably Iguodala - the type of FA that probably wouldn't have even consider GS a couple years previously as well as guys like Speights, Livingston, Barbosa etc and growth from their talented core.

What if they'd shipped out Curry in the deal for Bogut? Sending him to the Bucks because despite his talent he wasn't leading the team to wins and his frequent injuries were a major source of frustration and concern. What are the odds that he's a back-t0-back MVP in that scenario?

I don't know if Cousins can be a winner in the right situation. I have concerns that his attitude brings his team down instead of building it up and I worry that he lacks the mental toughness to push through when things get tough. But I also know he hasn't been put in a situation to succeed. And I'd much rather see Vlade try and provide that next season and then reassess next offseason than to deal Cousins now and hope that sparks a rebuild. Especially in a year with a pretty weak draft.

Jerry West was brought in as an Advisor and played a role in the drafting of Barnes, Green and Ezeli. I agree it was an impressive drafting job. That with the addition of Veterans like Iguodala, Livingston, Speights and Barbosa helped make a good team very deep with long mobile defenders.

 

[King Baller]

No way curry develops here like he developed in GS.
So, curry wouldn't have developed. He'd be surrounded by has beens, d-leaguers, just plain mediocre players, and a cast of coaches who can't find jobs anywhere else or are looking for that large final paycheck. Our fans would consider him a 3 point chucker, maybe a ball hog, and would want him traded. He's been here all these years and hasn't delivered us more than 30 wins. GET HIM OUTTA HERE!

Also, GS has a competent FO. Ours, not so much.

I can say with 100% certainty draymond green would be more vilified here in sac. He's a talented player but very emotional during games. He argues with the refs, whines, and can be a real pri ck. Sound familiar? If he was on the sixers, lakers, or Kings, he'd be cousins x10. IMO, there's no way DG would have lasted as long here as cousins has. Then again it all goes back to FO competency. First off, we never would have got draymond because our drafting history is downright dismal. Or, if we accidentally stumbled onto him, we might have just given him away over a stupid FO/coaching feud.

Draymond does all this while he is a member of a historic winning team. Imagine if he was part of a losing effort?

 

[KingMilz]

Draymond does all this while he is a member of a historic winning team. Imagine if he was part of a losing effort?

He's also a DPOY candidate and arguably the best glue guy in the NBA and plays hard 100% of the time and been a winner at every level.

 

[funkykingston]

What changed aside from the team getting better is Curry improved more than any player in the NBA while Cousins still does not even have a go to move to rely on. Cousins still makes the same mistakes he's been making for years both on the court and how he interacts with officials and the organisation. Also the "what if they sent Curry to the Bucks", why would they despite not winning he was a good team guy that didn't bring any toxic energy into the place which has been the opposite for Cuz sadly. If Cousins did not bring all the other crap aside from his play no one would want him traded including myself.

There have been conflicting reports over whether Monta Ellis was always the player in that deal or if the Warriors considered trading Curry instead.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

He's also a DPOY candidate and arguably the best glue guy in the NBA and plays hard 100% of the time and been a winner at every level.

I feel like there is a lot of "playing the results" in a statement like this. It seems that you're making the argument that Draymond Green would have been a winner anywhere, regardless of circumstance, and your 'proof' of this appears to be that Draymond Green is a winner in his current circumstance. Am I reading that correctly?

 

[King Baller]

He's also a DPOY candidate and arguably the best glue guy in the NBA and plays hard 100% of the time and been a winner at every level.

After reading his Wiki page I find it amazing he lasted until the 35th pick coming out of Michigan State as a Senior. Here is the link---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draymond_Green

I did find this nugget from 2013, and it was Christmas!

"On December 25, Green was ejected from the Warriors' game against the Los Angeles Clippers for committing a flagrant 2 foul on the Clippers' forward Blake Griffin.[23] The following day, the NBA fined Green $15,000 for "failing to leave the court in a timely manner" after being ejected."

 

[King Baller]

Check out from the 25 second moment on:

 

[kingsboi]

I feel like there is a lot of "playing the results" in a statement like this. It seems that you're making the argument that Draymond Green would have been a winner anywhere, regardless of circumstance, and your 'proof' of this appears to be that Draymond Green is a winner in his current circumstance. Am I reading that correctly?

I guess if Draymond went to play for the Pistons like reports were speculating he might last off season, we would know huh?