Andrei Kirilenko

Btw, Minnesota is now somewhat of a destination for free agents now.

Really? They threw a boatload of money at Batum just to get him interested and still didn't get him. Roy? Maybe, but they threw a bunch of money at a medical risk, congrats. Stiemsma? Hardly a big catch. They did get that Shved guy which might pan out. Maybe you are thinking of Barea, but they had to throw significant money at him too. This is hardly a destination franchise now, just a franchise that threw more money at players than they were worth.
 
Really? They threw a boatload of money at Batum just to get him interested and still didn't get him. Roy? Maybe, but they threw a bunch of money at a medical risk, congrats. Stiemsma? Hardly a big catch. They did get that Shved guy which might pan out. Maybe you are thinking of Barea, but they had to throw significant money at him too. This is hardly a destination franchise now, just a franchise that threw more money at players than they were worth.

Really? Batum was a restricted free agent. It wasn't his choice to go back to Portland. He wanted to go to Minny.
 
Really? Batum was a restricted free agent. It wasn't his choice to go back to Portland. He wanted to go to Minny.

I'd want to go to any place that threw 4 years/$46 million at me. And you know that's way more than he's worth, otherwise Portland wouldn't have had to deliberate over matching it.

Look, I get Kings fans are frustrated with the team and front office. But you have more than enough evidence to make those arguments without trying to force a awkward and false narrative. After Batum they've pretty much whiffed on every other free agent they were looking at (Courtney Lee, OJ Mayo, Ronnie Brewer, etc.)
 
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I'd want to go to any place that threw 4 years/$46 million at me. And you know that's way more than he's worth, otherwise Portland wouldn't have had to deliberate over matching it.

Look, I get Kings fans are frustrated with the team and front office. But you have more than enough evidence to make those arguments without trying to force a awkward and false narrative. After Batum they've pretty much whiffed on every other free agent they were looking at (Courtney Lee, OJ Mayo, Ronnie Brewer, etc.)

Looks like they might be getting AK47

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8...nix-suns-new-orleans-hornets-discussing-trade

The potential deal comes amid reports that the Timberwolves are interested in signing the 31-year-old Kirilenko.

In the deal, the Phoenix Suns would send Robin Lopez and Hakim Warrick to New Orleans, and the Suns would get Wesley Johnson and a future first-round pick from Minnesota. The source said New Orleans would trade Brad Miller to the Suns. It's unclear what Minnesota would get from the deal.
 
For us not to have the room to get AK, unless of course we use our f'ing amnesty!, and he instead goes to Minn, it will be a giant kick in the stomach to Kings fans. If we wasted our cap space, which we spent years clearing, on Hayes, Outlaw and Brooks, instead of AK, and he does infact sign with a small market team, then I'd like to re-vote on the off season poll and change my original grade from a D to an F.

That's sheer failure on our part if this does happen. Poor planning. Poor spending. Poor understanding of our needs. Poor communication with AK's agent.
 
A multi-team deal has emerged that could serve to clear cap space for Andrei Kirilenko to return to the NBA with the Minnesota Timberwolves, according to a league source.

The potential deal comes amid reports that the Timberwolves are interested in signing the 31-year-old Kirilenko.


Earlier Tuesday, ESPN's Marc Stein reported the Brooklyn Nets were pushing hard to bring Kirilenko back to the NBA, despite their own limited salary-cap flexibility. Kirilenko, who spent last season with CSKA Moscow, wants to return to the NBA. Sources said that Team USA guard Deron Williams, Kirilenko's former Utah Jazz teammate, was part of the effort to recruit Kirilenko.

Sport Express in Russia on Tuesday quoted Kirilenko saying: "I want to decide my new team before the Olympics. There are several options in the NBA, but the final choice has not been made yet."

Kirilenko also told Ria Novosti, another media outlet: "Which club in particular, we'll know in a day or two."




What can I even say? He does want to return. Minn wants him enough that they're clearing cap space for him. No reason we can't do the same. This is the difference between teams who want to improve, with owners and gm's on the same page, and a team which is content treading water and instead blows it's cap space on players who don't fit. We could also trade away players to clear cap space, we could amnesty Salmons, or negotiate a buyout with either Salmons or Cisco. But AK wants back in the league and we blew our load prematurely.
 
We could also trade away players to clear cap space, we could amnesty Salmons, or negotiate a buyout with either Salmons or Cisco. But AK wants back in the league and we blew our load prematurely.

The amnesty window is over for this season, and buyouts don't remove money off the cap. The only way to clear cap space would be via a trade.

Keep in mind that we "blew" our cap space when AK47 was saying he was staying in Europe before getting too upset.
 

I wasn't aware that being interested in signing Kirilenko is the same thing as might be getting him.

And even if they do, it doesn't mean they are a destination franchise. They just used their cap space to overpay people to come to them. Like Sacramento did with Vlade. And considering Minnesota just dumped a first round pick in order to get Phoenix to take a former first high round pick off their hands, I wouldn't all of a sudden be jealous of their front office
 
For us not to have the room to get AK, unless of course we use our f'ing amnesty!, and he instead goes to Minn, it will be a giant kick in the stomach to Kings fans. If we wasted our cap space, which we spent years clearing, on Hayes, Outlaw and Brooks, instead of AK, and he does infact sign with a small market team, then I'd like to re-vote on the off season poll and change my original grade from a D to an F.

That's sheer failure on our part if this does happen. Poor planning. Poor spending. Poor understanding of our needs. Poor communication with AK's agent.

Oh please. We tried going after Kirilenko last season with a lot of money and he barely gave us the time of day. And here we are, almost a month into the off-season, and Kirilenko finally decides he wants back in the NBA. After almost everyone has finished making their big moves. Considering Petrie is always getting crap for sitting around doing nothing, he now should have waited another month for a guy who might not even be interested in coming to Sacramento to make up his mind? The organization has had enough missteps that you don't have to add "not accurately predicting the mindset of an indecisive guy" to the list.

You know why Minnesota is in the running now? Not because of patience but because they lost out on waiting for a RFA to get matched.
 
This is the difference between teams who want to improve, with owners and gm's on the same page



THIS. pretty sad we have been in the lottery for how many years in a row now? being passed up by the bottom dweller teams like the Clippers, Warriors, and now even Minnesota.
 
Sorry but Minnesota's owner is pretty cheap too. They just traded away a second round pick so they could dump Brad Miller and save the $500K cost of his buyout. Does this sound familiar? And they seem to trade away first round picks like candy. Minnesota may have passed us in the standings but I'm not exactly envious of them.
 
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I wasn't aware that being interested in signing Kirilenko is the same thing as might be getting him.

And even if they do, it doesn't mean they are a destination franchise. They just used their cap space to overpay people to come to them. Like Sacramento did with Vlade. And considering Minnesota just dumped a first round pick in order to get Phoenix to take a former first high round pick off their hands, I wouldn't all of a sudden be jealous of their front office

you are right, if he signs with minnesota, it doesn't mean they are a destination franchise. but it means they are yet another destination that is preferred over sacramento. it's funny that you bring up vlade, cuz it seems he was the last "big" name free agent that signed with us that wasnt our own, and he was actually towards the end of his career. it seems like it has been years since a decent free agent has chosen to come here. AK turned us down last year, as well as jamal crawford, and dalembert despite us trying to overpay for them. so there has to be a reason why the free agents are choosing minny instead of us and im sure it's not the weather. as bad as kahn has been made out to be and despite many of his misteps, he has a owner willing to spend, and good coach, and a good core of love and rubio. that will help a small market team win over agents like we were able to do in the good ol' days
 
I'd want to go to any place that threw 4 years/$46 million at me. And you know that's way more than he's worth, otherwise Portland wouldn't have had to deliberate over matching it.

Look, I get Kings fans are frustrated with the team and front office. But you have more than enough evidence to make those arguments without trying to force a awkward and false narrative. After Batum they've pretty much whiffed on every other free agent they were looking at (Courtney Lee, OJ Mayo, Ronnie Brewer, etc.)

First, you make a false statement about Batum, then throw in a statement saturated with your own narrative, and then accuse others of doing the same?

From Batum's mouth:
"I know the situation. Anywhere I sign, the Blazers are going to match. But my first choice was, and is, Minnesota. That’s where I want to play and that’s where I want to put my family. I’ve got nothing against the fans (in Portland) and nothing against the city. But this is a basketball decision and basketball wise, I want to be there."

What's he have to gain from saying that when he expected Portland to match? Nothing, except that he said what he felt.

I didn't say it was Miami. I said that it's "somewhat." There's no awkward narrative. Players love playing for Rick. Players get better playing for Rick, and all of the players know this. That's why the guys he used to have keep trying to go back to him. Take that, a pure passer (another player that people love playing with) and a workhorse in Kevin love, and what narrative am I trying to falsely shape?

And oh look, AK47 working something out to go there now. I'm not going to get into overpaying unless you want to address what we're paying for our "talent" right now, but we all shat on Kahn for his missteps, so we should praise him for the things he's done right. He's made a TEAM. He's gone after pieces that fit. He's got rid of mistakes through amnesty. We haven't done these things. We've accumulated a few talented pieces and a lot of mediocre players with below mediocre contracts. We have no semblance of a team.

We didn't like when Petrie did nothing to upgrade, but we also don't like when he makes incremental moves that don't make the product on the court noticeably better, while hampering the cap for maneuverability. Just because he did "something" doesn't mean he's off the hook for not doing it better.

Everyone saw what happened and what's been happening to us lately on the floor. People don't have roles, people don't run plays. People hog the ball. People are crammed into positions they don't believe they should play (it's very frustrating as a player to have this done to you). I guarantee it's frustrating for 6'5" Tyreke to have to defend the 6'8-6'9" SFs that make him look like he's not even trying to play defense. It's embarrassing and it's not even his fault. No one wants that. No one wnats to go to that. But that's our reality.
 
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OK I was in the camp that I just did not see Kirilenko coming back unless he got a comparable deal in the NBA which is around $8-9 million per season. To say that I am surprised by these developments is an understatement. To say that I am pissed off would be a major understatement.

We just managed to take ourselves out of the running for a player that would have been a perfect fit at SF by pissing our cap space into the wind for 2 off-seasons in a row on players that do not even fit and not a genuine NBA starter amongst them (Brooks a possible exception).

Even trading Thornton away to get cap space to get AK would make no sense either as we just added another piece, albeit a genuine one, to the mess that we have created at SF in the last 2 off-seasons.

Wow! Just Wow!
 
In the past, Petrie has been burn't while waiting to possibly sign, or resign a player he wanted, and in the process of waiting, he lost opportunities as freeagents signed with other teams. Especially when your talking about your own freeagent. It happened with Brian Grant, and with Bonzi Wells. Its one of the reasons they shortened the waiting period. In the case of Kirilenko, just about everything he said, up until now, led everyone to believe he was staying in Russia. I certainly did!

So to my mind, everyone is putting him in a lose/lose situation. If he does nothing, and just sits and waits for Kirilenko to make up his mind, and he then decides to stay in Russia. I guessing the majority of you would criticize him of being stupid for waiting when Kirilenko implied he was staying there. But now that the opposite is true, he's being criticized for not waiting.

A large group of you that I respect, have become difficult for me to read. It appears your looking at everything the Kings do, through an emotional filter of negativism, and bais. And its clouding your judgements. Call me crazy, but I don't pass judgement until I see the results. Gee, what a novel idea. Of course your all entitled to your hate fest, if thats what makes you happy (a little irony there), but frankly, I think I'm going to retreat to my prospects thread.

Someone once said that one negative person can destroy a room full of optimistic people. I won't associate with negative people in my personal life. No one ever accomplished anything by being negative. Winners are always postive and optimistic. Prepetual losers, are always negative. In their heart, they expect to miss the shot, to be struck out, to miss the tackle. Negative people almost always get what they expect out of life. All I can say is, "May the force be with you". Adios!
 
Hey, so we aren't getting AK, get over it! He more than likely wasn't coming here anytime soon even if we HAD the money to spend. So we had to move on to other possible ways to improve our team, and we may not think what they have done is an upgrade, but I think it is in some ways. Even if we start this season with the lineup we have now(which I don't see, because I see GP making one more trade)but our lineup looks a lot more solid now than it has any of the past 5 seasons.
 
Sorry but Minnesota's owner is pretty cheap too. They just traded away a second round pick so they could dump Brad Miller and save the $500K cost of his buyout. Does this sound familiar? And they seem to trade away first round picks like candy. Minnesota may have passed us in the standings but I'm not exactly envious of them.

That's not exactly how it worked out. They dumped Brad Miller because they were trying to create cap space to submit the offer sheet for Batum.
 
Sorry but Minnesota's owner is pretty cheap too. They just traded away a second round pick so they could dump Brad Miller and save the $500K cost of his buyout. Does this sound familiar? And they seem to trade away first round picks like candy. Minnesota may have passed us in the standings but I'm not exactly envious of them.

Miller is retiring so no need to buy him out. It's is basically a contract on the books until it's official. Minny didn't want to wait for the capspace to clear so they traded him.
 
A large group of you that I respect, have become difficult for me to read. It appears your looking at everything the Kings do, through an emotional filter of negativism, and bais. And its clouding your judgements. Call me crazy, but I don't pass judgement until I see the results. Gee, what a novel idea. Of course your all entitled to your hate fest, if thats what makes you happy (a little irony there), but frankly, I think I'm going to retreat to my prospects thread.

I agree.

BTW, I don't have a problem with criticism when it's warranted. However, this constant rush to judgement and need for instant gratification is what makes no sense to me. While I may not necessarily agree with any or all of it, I understand the extreme criticism toward Geoff Petrie, the Maloofs and / or some of the players that have been around for 3+ years. When you don't see improvement or development after a number of years, it's understandable. However, I will never understand extreme criticism towards first or second year players / coaches or the rush to judgement on how good or effective they'll be.

Moving on to the topic at hand, now many of you see why I didn't buy into all the supposed reasons someone would want to play in Europe over the NBA. As I said before, a player like AK47 is as competitive as they come and wants to play against the very best. While the perks and tax breaks may be nice, it's still not the NBA. That's why we never saw the mass exodus of NBA players to the Euro leagues as was predicted by some years ago and why we still see many of Europe's best players end up in the States. As I said before, most players that can play in the NBA want to play in the NBA because it's the best league in the world. They'll sacrifice some extra money and perks in order to play with and against the best. It's looking as if AK47 is no different.
 
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In the past, Petrie has been burn't while waiting to possibly sign, or resign a player he wanted, and in the process of waiting, he lost opportunities as freeagents signed with other teams. Especially when your talking about your own freeagent. It happened with Brian Grant, and with Bonzi Wells. Its one of the reasons they shortened the waiting period. In the case of Kirilenko, just about everything he said, up until now, led everyone to believe he was staying in Russia. I certainly did!

So to my mind, everyone is putting him in a lose/lose situation. If he does nothing, and just sits and waits for Kirilenko to make up his mind, and he then decides to stay in Russia. I guessing the majority of you would criticize him of being stupid for waiting when Kirilenko implied he was staying there. But now that the opposite is true, he's being criticized for not waiting.

A large group of you that I respect, have become difficult for me to read. It appears your looking at everything the Kings do, through an emotional filter of negativism, and bais. And its clouding your judgements. Call me crazy, but I don't pass judgement until I see the results. Gee, what a novel idea. Of course your all entitled to your hate fest, if thats what makes you happy (a little irony there), but frankly, I think I'm going to retreat to my prospects thread.

Someone once said that one negative person can destroy a room full of optimistic people. I won't associate with negative people in my personal life. No one ever accomplished anything by being negative. Winners are always postive and optimistic. Prepetual losers, are always negative. In their heart, they expect to miss the shot, to be struck out, to miss the tackle. Negative people almost always get what they expect out of life. All I can say is, "May the force be with you". Adios!

Why respond to people who see negative decisions(you're free of course to disagree), and calling out the negativity and saying you don't like negativity, with attacks on posters which appear pretty negative yourself?

It's also quite an assumption that because some of us see negatives within a franchise who can't approach 30 wins for however many consecutive years, that that somehow means we're negative in other aspects of our lives or aren't human being worth being around. That's making it quite personal on your part when we're only criticizing the organization and you appear to respond and make assumptions about what type of human beings we are. Does it make sense that when you see negative reactions to decisions by our organization and you don't like the negativity, to negatively call out posters on what type of people they are and make assumptions of what type of negative lives we lead? Can't speak for others, but for me personally, the Kings don't affect my viewpoints regarding my personal life. Just because some of us see negatives and continued mistakes from a team which can't sniff 30 wins, and I'd assume most poor sports teams have more negative outlooks from their fans than say the Lakers or the Yankees, doesn't mean they're all the sudden these overly negative personalities who look a everything in a negative light and destroy rooms full of positive people.
 
I agree.

BTW, I don't have a problem with criticism when it's warranted. However, this constant rush to judgement and need for instant gratification is what makes no sense to me. While I may not necessarily agree with any or all of it, I understand the extreme criticism toward Geoff Petrie, the Maloofs and / or some of the players that have been around for 3+ years. When you don't see improvement or development after a number of years, it's understandable. However, I will never understand extreme criticism towards first or second year players / coaches or the rush to judgement on how good or effective they'll be.

Moving on to the topic at hand, now many of you see why I didn't buy into all the supposed reasons someone would want to play in Europe over the NBA. As I said before, a player like AK47 is as competitive as they come and wants to play against the very best. While the perks and tax breaks may be nice, it's still not the NBA. That's why we never saw the mass exodus of NBA players to the Euro leagues as was predicted by some years ago and why we still see many of Europe's best players end up in the States. As I said before, most players that can play in the NBA want to play in the NBA because it's the best league in the world. They'll sacrifice some extra money and perks in order to play with and against the best. It's looking as if AK47 is no different.

I don't disagree with anything you said. I have no problem with criticism, as long as its selective, and factual. But when the criticism approaches broad spectrum, and is based mostly on emotion, and unleashed personal bias, then you lose me. We all have our biases. I certainly have mine. I didn't like the Paul Westphal hiring from the get go. But mostly kept it to myself, until I had some fair results to work with. I'm willing to give anyone a second chance. But when history starts to repeat itself, as it did with Westphal, then I draw a line in the sand.

In Smarts case, I don't have nearly as much history to work with as I did with Westphal. Yes, he played small ball at Golden State, but lets remember he inherited a team built by Nellie. A team that was put together for, and had played small ball. You don't give a mechanic all the parts and tools to build a car, and then ask him to build a rocketship. It requires changing a lot of parts. So in Smarts case, I'm willing to give him some time before passing judgement.

There have been some positives in his short reign. Cousins and he seem to be on the same page, and Cuz played some of his best basketball under Smart. He instituted a summer program for the players, and he monitoring that program. And although we had another miserable season, his winning percentage was better than Westphals. Is that anything to get overly excited about? No, probably not. But it was a tiny step in the right direction. Now we have to see if he can make a big step in the right direction when he has a full training camp and a full exhibition season to work with.

Do I think we'll be a playoff team? Hmmmm, maybe, if everything falls into place properly. There's enough talent on the team, that if its used properly, and it performs up to its talent level, the playoffs are possible. I know many of you think we have very little talent other than Cuz and Tyreke, and many of you are anxious to trade Tyreke. But there are legitimate NBA players on the team. The trick is to use them to their strengths, and get them to play together. As much as some you hate Salmons, he is a quality player if used properly. I honestly don't think Salmons minds coming off the bench. I just think he has trouble getting into the flow off the bench at times. At least offensively. There's a difference between getting into the flow, and being disinterested. He was actually playing well at the end of the season until he got hurt, when he was playing lead guard with the second unit. He seemed to embrace that role, and if he doesn't get traded, that might be a good use for him on the floor with Brooks, letting Brooks be the off guard taking most of the shots. That way Salmons can just take what the defense gives him, instead of trying to create for himself.

I'm not going to go position by position. I think you see my point. I know a lot of us like to think were smarter than Petrie or Smart, but if you really think about it logically, that makes no sense. We sit in the catbird seat of no responsibility other than observing and criticizing. We have few real facts to go on, other than the results we see. So we see the destination, but we have little knowledge of the journey that got us there. For example, I spoke with Petrie at summer league, and asked him about Jeffery Taylor who, in my opinion, which I voiced to him, was a great fit for our team, and asked him if the Kings had any interest and if they had made an effort. The answer was yes and yes, but they couldn't make a deal. Now thats about all your ever going to get out of him. My point is, that just because you don't see the results you want, or the trade you want, doesn't mean there wasn't an effort to make said trade or deal. I had heard that the Kings had spoken to the Warriors. Thats all I know, but the Warriors did have the 30th pick in the draft. Jeffery Taylor went with the 1st pick in the second round. The Warriors drafted Festus Ezeli with the 30th pick. Maybe they had their heart set on Ezeli, and felt he wouldn't be there later in the second round. Who knows? And thats the point.

A lot of people have pointed to the Timberwolves as an example of how to get things done. Really! Just what have they done? The signed Brandon Roy, which may be a great move, or a waste of money. I'm a huge Roy fan, so I hope for his sake, he's able to replicate some of what he used to do. They offered Batum an enormus amount of money, which forced Portland to overpay for one of its own players, and probably pissed of Portland to the extent they will never be a trading partner in the future. Now they're offering Kirilenko a large sum of money, while saying he's going to backup L.A. at the PF position. I'm sure thats going to go over like a lead balloon with Kirilenko. Khan is the laughing stock of the NBA. He's like a loose cannon going off in every direction. And while Petrie frustrates me with slow methodical, and secret ways of doing things, I'll take him, over someone like Khan any day of the week.
 
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Why respond to people who see negative decisions(you're free of course to disagree), and calling out the negativity and saying you don't like negativity, with attacks on posters which appear pretty negative yourself?

It's also quite an assumption that because some of us see negatives within a franchise who can't approach 30 wins for however many consecutive years, that that somehow means we're negative in other aspects of our lives or aren't human being worth being around. That's making it quite personal on your part when we're only criticizing the organization and you appear to respond and make assumptions about what type of human beings we are. Does it make sense that when you see negative reactions to decisions by our organization and you don't like the negativity, to negatively call out posters on what type of people they are and make assumptions of what type of negative lives we lead? Can't speak for others, but for me personally, the Kings don't affect my viewpoints regarding my personal life. Just because some of us see negatives and continued mistakes from a team which can't sniff 30 wins, and I'd assume most poor sports teams have more negative outlooks from their fans than say the Lakers or the Yankees, doesn't mean they're all the sudden these overly negative personalities who look a everything in a negative light and destroy rooms full of positive people.

I'm positive I will be negative.
 
I'm positive Kings will not get AK47.
Kings have more NBA talent than many of you can see.
bajaden said it best:

"Do I think we'll be a playoff team? Hmmmm, maybe, if everything falls into place properly. There's enough talent on the team, that if its used properly, and it performs up to its talent level, the playoffs are possible."

UPDATE, 7/25/12 5pm PST. AK47 finalizing $20 2yr contract with Minny. He is gone. Kings are pat for awhile. Training camp will be final decider for those in the know. cd
 
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Why respond to people who see negative decisions(you're free of course to disagree), and calling out the negativity and saying you don't like negativity, with attacks on posters which appear pretty negative yourself?

It's also quite an assumption that because some of us see negatives within a franchise who can't approach 30 wins for however many consecutive years, that that somehow means we're negative in other aspects of our lives or aren't human being worth being around. That's making it quite personal on your part when we're only criticizing the organization and you appear to respond and make assumptions about what type of human beings we are. Does it make sense that when you see negative reactions to decisions by our organization and you don't like the negativity, to negatively call out posters on what type of people they are and make assumptions of what type of negative lives we lead? Can't speak for others, but for me personally, the Kings don't affect my viewpoints regarding my personal life. Just because some of us see negatives and continued mistakes from a team which can't sniff 30 wins, and I'd assume most poor sports teams have more negative outlooks from their fans than say the Lakers or the Yankees, doesn't mean they're all the sudden these overly negative personalities who look a everything in a negative light and destroy rooms full of positive people.

You sir, are one of the people that I had the most respect for, and I'm rapidly losing it. Trying taking a class in reading comprehension. I was talking about my personal life, not yours. But you know, negative people tend to always be defensive. So let me make it CLEAR!!!!! I wasn't frigging talking about you. But if the shoe fits, wear the damm thing.

I have no objection to criticism. I've my share of it on this fourm. But I don't make judgements on new players until I see the results. You know why? Because unlike you, I don't have a crystal ball to see into the future. Just what if it all works out. What if the team is better. What if we plucked Johnson just as he was about to bloosom. Wouldn't it be nice to see first, before blasting every damm thing the Kings so. You don't have to give me past history. I was a season ticket holder from the beginning. I suffered through every rotten season before Petrie got here and got us back into the playoffs. So excuse me if I remember all the good things he did instead of just being selective and picking out all the mistakes.

Whether you know it or not, my post was heart felt, and sincere. And it was pointed at those of you that I respect. Instead of taking to heart, and just maybe, taking a look back at some of your posts with a more objective look, you instead went on the defensive and couldn't wait to come back and blast me. Why preytell do you think I made that post? Just to pee off people? Don't you know me better than that? I made it because I don't think your a negative person, but that your getting caught up in mob mentality right now and its clouding your overall judgement. If I thought you were a negative person in your personal life, I wouldn't have wasted my time. But thanks for your sincere response.

Don't bother responding to this post, because I'm no longer interested, and I won't be reading anyone's posts for quite a long while.
 
You sir, are one of the people that I had the most respect for, and I'm rapidly losing it. Trying taking a class in reading comprehension. I was talking about my personal life, not yours. But you know, negative people tend to always be defensive. So let me make it CLEAR!!!!! I wasn't frigging talking about you. But if the shoe fits, wear the damm thing.

I have no objection to criticism. I've my share of it on this fourm. But I don't make judgements on new players until I see the results. You know why? Because unlike you, I don't have a crystal ball to see into the future. Just what if it all works out. What if the team is better. What if we plucked Johnson just as he was about to bloosom. Wouldn't it be nice to see first, before blasting every damm thing the Kings so. You don't have to give me past history. I was a season ticket holder from the beginning. I suffered through every rotten season before Petrie got here and got us back into the playoffs. So excuse me if I remember all the good things he did instead of just being selective and picking out all the mistakes.

Whether you know it or not, my post was heart felt, and sincere. And it was pointed at those of you that I respect. Instead of taking to heart, and just maybe, taking a look back at some of your posts with a more objective look, you instead went on the defensive and couldn't wait to come back and blast me. Why preytell do you think I made that post? Just to pee off people? Don't you know me better than that? I made it because I don't think your a negative person, but that your getting caught up in mob mentality right now and its clouding your overall judgement. If I thought you were a negative person in your personal life, I wouldn't have wasted my time. But thanks for your sincere response.

Don't bother responding to this post, because I'm no longer interested, and I won't be reading anyone's posts for quite a long while.

Now you're projecting your negativity on others. You're overall attitude here is negative. You don't respond to negativity and blast others for it by doubling down with negativity.

A quick rundown.

I wasn't happy about the Salmons trade when it happened. Ends up it was for good reason.

I wanted to pick Jimmer and that might have been a mistake on my part, but I've also pointed out numerous times I think he has a place in this league as an off the ball player, similar to Reddick.

I wasn't happy about the Hayes signing. Ends up it was for good reason.

I wasn't happy about the Outlaw signing. Ends up that was for good reason.

I didn't like the extension of Smart. I was told by many I was overreacting at the time, yet only a couple months later many didn't want him here either.

I liked the TRob pick. Have said a number of times I like him as a player.

I like JT resigning and have said a few times his deal was a very good deal.

I liked the JJ pickup. Said that immediately when others were negative.

I hated the Brooks pickup and have said since the first rumor about him pooped up two years ago I want nothing to do with him.

I'm pissed we blew our cap space on Brooks, Hayes and Outlaw, when i'd rather have gone after AK, and have pointed out the perceived differences between us and an aggressive small market franchise like Minn who seem to aggressively go after players which fit team needs better.


I've pointed out negatives, but I've also pointed out positives. If you think it's too negative for you, I'm sorry, but it seems you'd rather I pretend to like certain moves, even if I don't, just to raise your own spirits. You also blast me for reading comprehension and then go on to say I basically cherry pick only the poor decisions to harp on them. I've pointed out a number of positives. I don't appreciate you cherry picking my posts just to make it seem i only notice or talk about negatives. Just because we may not agree on things also doesn't mean you have to make it personal, and respond not only negatively, but negatively while making it personal. Is taht your way of cleaning up the negativity around here? To just stroll through and blast people?

If you don't agree with me, fine! I don't mind a debate at all about the issues. But it's different when you go off onto a diatribe about negative people and there being no place in your fox hole for them and so on. Here, we're no longer debating difference of opinion but instead you seem to go a bit farther and make it personal, and whether quoting a person or not it's pretty clear exactly who those posts are aimed at.
 
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