And with the #23 pick in the 2009 Draft, the Kings select....

With Evans, this is such a crapshoot of a draft, that I don't think the tweener red flags will hurt him that much. Eric Gordon went #8 last season and that was a much deeper draft. I do fear you're right about Flynn though. And I'll bet you are right that someone slips to us. This is such an odd draft with so many flawed players I could see something odd happening. Although, I'm not holding my breath for Clark considering how few good bigs are in this years draft. I think we are more likely to see a PG/combo guard slip.

I loved Eric Gordon last year. A lot of people were concerned about his height and thats probably why he didn't go higher. I remember telling my son, that if Gordon got playing time this year he could make a run at rookie of the year. He was one of the few bright spots on the Clips this year.
 
Why not try to trade this pick for some top picks last year who never gets playing time in their team? Joe Alexander? Jayred Bayless? Anthony Randolph?

Let's say a package of

Beno + 23rd pick for either:

1.) Alexander and Gadzuric (if we pick a PG with our top pick)
2.) Steve Blake and Bayless (if we pick a big man with our top pick)
3.) Azubuike + Randolph (if we pick PG with our top pick)

Or we can swap Beno with either Nocioni or Garcia to maybe get more interest on this trade offer and just add a few fillers to compensate.
 
I like that idea, but although Portland does not need Bayless didn't need him when they drafted him last year right before we got Thompson they still will not trade especially for Beno and the 23rd pick. I think we can get something for either Garcia or Nocioni and the pick and i'd like to see one of them trade for cap implications and because we have too many of the same type SF on our team.
 
I would think that a package deal for the 23rd pick is plausible. Especially with the chance of us getting a PG(Rubio or Jennings)with our top pick, which in my mind is the #1 priority...and those 2 are VERY good, and we wouldnt be getting cheated at all by picking either one of those with our top pick. BUT...if for some reason we get #1 and pick Griffen, I still say we end up trading this pick in a package deal for a PG.

edit: oh, and btw...I'm not THAT high on putting alot of value in Ramon Sessions...he's a good PG, but I dont see him as the end all to be all to get us to that next level, we need something more at the PG, a true quarterback.
 
Holiday, Budinger, and Collison would be at the tops of my list. I don't want Calathes at all.

Calathes is a pretty talented guy. He's actually a true point guard in an shooting guards, unathletic body. Therein lies the problem. He's a very good competitor, and I'm always attracted to those type of athlete's. He might be someone you take a flyer on at 31, but not at 23. I agree with you on Budinger, Holiday, and Collison. I would be happy with any of those three. I would be even happier is someone like Bracken's slid down to that spot.
 
Calathes is a pretty talented guy. He's actually a true point guard in an shooting guards, athletic body. Therein lies the problem. He's a very good competitor, and I'm always attracted to those type of athlete's. He might be someone you take a flyer on at 31, but not at 23. I agree with you on Budinger, Holiday, and Collison. I would be happy with any of those three. I would be even happier is someone like Bracken's slid down to that spot.

My Petrie spider-sense has been tingling for awhile about both Budinger and Calathes as both guys have the mix of skill-level and versatility that Geoff seems to crave. If I were to call my shot for who I expect us to draft with our late 1st and/or early second pick, these guys would be it.
 
Why not try to trade this pick for some top picks last year who never gets playing time in their team? Joe Alexander? Jayred Bayless? Anthony Randolph?

Let's say a package of

Beno + 23rd pick for either:

1.) Alexander and Gadzuric (if we pick a PG with our top pick)
2.) Steve Blake and Bayless (if we pick a big man with our top pick)
3.) Azubuike + Randolph (if we pick PG with our top pick)

Or we can swap Beno with either Nocioni or Garcia to maybe get more interest on this trade offer and just add a few fillers to compensate.

The Warriors love Randolph now. There's no way you're going to pry him away with that offer.
 
My Petrie spider-sense has been tingling for awhile about both Budinger and Calathes as both guys have the mix of skill-level and versatility that Geoff seems to crave. If I were to call my shot for who I expect us to draft with our late 1st and/or early second pick, these guys would be it.

Hmmm.. I think I detect a change in my orginal post. Something to do with athleticism......
 
Calathes... End of story.. Like a bigger version of JWILL, but can't handle the ball quite as well, and is a little bit slower (probably because of the size)..

Seen quite a few of his games and he has always impressed me.
 
I'm hoping for Maynor. If we get a big with our 1st pick.
and Budinger if we get a PG with our 1st Pick.

Calathes could drop to 31 that would be such a steal.
 
Calathes... End of story.. Like a bigger version of JWILL, but can't handle the ball quite as well, and is a little bit slower (probably because of the size)..

Seen quite a few of his games and he has always impressed me.
What does he provide that Cisco doen't?

I'd like to see Cisco, moved more to PG/SG more. And, get more PT for Donte at backup SF. With the 31 pick I'd rather see Danny Green or Casspri. Maybe a project Big from Europe like Norel or Aminu out of Georgia Tech.

If we resign BJax were probably going to have 4 PG's already with 1st round pick, Beno, Bjax & Cisco. So, why a 5th? Especially, since a 2nd rounder probably won't see any PT next yr. With Martin's recent medical history, having another SG would help. Noc is really a backup & Donte is unproven, so having someone in reserve at SF wouldn't hurt. Finally, you can never have too many bigs, and a 2nd rounder comes at the right price for a project.
 
I'm hoping for Maynor. If we get a big with our 1st pick.
and Budinger if we get a PG with our 1st Pick.

Calathes could drop to 31 that would be such a steal.
Maynor would be a steal at 23. Budinger is more likely at 23. But, I don't know about Calathes. See my post above about Cisco.

I'd rather have a SF/SG or Big at 31. Who ever goes at 31 probably doesn't play much unless there are injuries. And, we have enough backup at PG. Also, if our 1st round draft pick doesn't work out at PG, I'd rather go after a PG at the trade deadline with K9's contract. We'd have a better chance at a starter making a trade than in drafting a 2nd rounder.
 
What does he provide that Cisco doen't?

I'd like to see Cisco, moved more to PG/SG more.

How many times does this dead horse have to be beaten to prove a point? He never was, nor ever will be, a PG. He is a shooter with decent (read, not good) all around skills. This is not a guy you want running your PG position, EVER. Unless we develop some sort of offense that does not revolve around the PG having the ball in his hands at all times, maybe one where he just initiates it. Something like Bibby in the glory days. Even then, Bibby is head and shoulders above Cisco in terms of handling.

We're in a ****ty position at PG, end of story. We have a guy who is past his prime and was never a PG anyway, a career backup who was grossly overpaid to be a starter and will have a difficult time being that effective again, and a bunch of swingmen. The sooner we accept that fact and actually decide to fix it instead of attempting to play players out of position, the better we will be.
 
How many times does this dead horse have to be beaten to prove a point? He never was, nor ever will be, a PG. He is a shooter with decent (read, not good) all around skills. This is not a guy you want running your PG position, EVER. Unless we develop some sort of offense that does not revolve around the PG having the ball in his hands at all times, maybe one where he just initiates it. Something like Bibby in the glory days. Even then, Bibby is head and shoulders above Cisco in terms of handling.

We're in a ****ty position at PG, end of story. We have a guy who is past his prime and was never a PG anyway, a career backup who was grossly overpaid to be a starter and will have a difficult time being that effective again, and a bunch of swingmen. The sooner we accept that fact and actually decide to fix it instead of attempting to play players out of position, the better we will be.

Ditto!!
 
I don't know if Calathes is going to cut it athletically in the NBA. Small forward athleticism in a SG body, and PG offensive game. Might stick around in the right system, but personally I'm not a big fan of his game translating to the NBA.
 
I don't know if Calathes is going to cut it athletically in the NBA. Small forward athleticism in a SG body, and PG offensive game. Might stick around in the right system, but personally I'm not a big fan of his game translating to the NBA.

Gotta agree with you on this one Vlade. I really like his skill level. He plays like a true pt guard. His size makes him a little special, until he has to guard a really quick pt. Surrounded by the right players I think he would be fine. Not so sure about the Kings. Like I said, at 31 I think you could justify picking him, but not any higher.
 
I like Calathes a lot, and if he goes anywhere in the early 2nd he'll definitely be a steal. There's a lot to like--he's only a sophomore yet he possesses an extraordinarily high skill level in terms of his passing ability--it's just a natural gift with his ability to dictate tempo, control ball movement and make the right passes. That part of his game will undoubtedly translate well to the NBA, and teams that like big point guards (the Warriors and the Lakers, for example) will really appreciate the height that goes along with it.

But he's not just a tall passer--I know some have reservations about his streaky shot, but he's up to 48% FGs and 39% 3FGs this year, so he's definitely improving. I don't think he'll be a sharpshooter by any sense and his overall FG% will go down due to athletic limitations, but I think he'll manage well enough here--he's smart, savvy and crafty, and knows how to exploit offensive situations. He's also shown rebounding ability and even triple double ability in college, and that alone should entice many scouts; I don't think his rebounding will translate, but that makes him all the more interesting.

His defense has been chastised all around due to lack of footspeed and athleticism, but he's competitive and shows a solid knack for getting steals. I don't think he's as bad as he's made out to be here, and while he'll most likely be a liability, I think he can develop some smarts to cover up for his weaknesses.

So overall, his offensive game is really 1st round material, but his defensive deficiencies might bump him back to the second right. But I think the youth (he's only 20), height/passing combination will be too hard to pass up for many teams--I know Europe has been a hotbed for creating tall PGs in recent years, but to have one do this against good NCAA competition should give him some points in his favor. I keep thinking back to a taller Luke Ridnour in regards to Calathes (and Ridnour went in the late lotto), and while I don't think there's much in terms of great upside with him, I think he's the type who can contribute over time as a tall orchestrator of sorts.

As for the Kings--I'm sort of split. I mean, if we could get him at #31, go for it--I like his talents as a unique tall PG who actually had triple double credentials in college, so clearly his skill level is high. The passing and perhaps the shooting (with some more work) will easily translate in the league, and that in combination with his height makes him easy to choose in the second round. And we really need that orchestrating point guard who can playmake. But the defense--again, we really need a defensive point guard out there. For that reason, I'd rather prefer Darren Collison, even though I like Calathes is more talented--but Collison can hit spot up J's well, playmake solidly and play defense well despite giving up inches. But again, in the second round, he's probably one of the best players available by then, so he may be worth it. I also like Sergio Llull from Real Madrid, a fairly athletic 6'3" combo guard with good shotcreating skills and some potential defensive ability/playmaking skills. I wouldn't mind stashing him in Europe for a few years to see what rewards may spawn from him.
 
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Gotta agree with you on this one Vlade. I really like his skill level. He plays like a true pt guard. His size makes him a little special, until he has to guard a really quick pt. Surrounded by the right players I think he would be fine. Not so sure about the Kings. Like I said, at 31 I think you could justify picking him, but not any higher.

Definitely reasonable at 31, I may like someone else more but it's a reasonable spot for him just because he's very skilled.
 
How many times does this dead horse have to be beaten to prove a point? He never was, nor ever will be, a PG. He is a shooter with decent (read, not good) all around skills. This is not a guy you want running your PG position, EVER. Unless we develop some sort of offense that does not revolve around the PG having the ball in his hands at all times, maybe one where he just initiates it. Something like Bibby in the glory days. Even then, Bibby is head and shoulders above Cisco in terms of handling.

We're in a ****ty position at PG, end of story. We have a guy who is past his prime and was never a PG anyway, a career backup who was grossly overpaid to be a starter and will have a difficult time being that effective again, and a bunch of swingmen. The sooner we accept that fact and actually decide to fix it instead of attempting to play players out of position, the better we will be.

My point wasn't to imply that Cisco was a great or even good PG. My questions was why Calathes was better,or whether Calathes could even beat out Beno.

My take is that is that Calathes shows some good PG skills, but he turns the ball over too much which makes his assist to turnover ratio comparable to Beno's. He isn't the greatest athelete, and is a poor defender because of his lack of quickness.

I just don't see spending a pick on someone who isn't totally better than our backup. I'd rather use it on a prospect like Casspi or Aminu or Danny Green especially if we pick up a PG in the 1st round.
 
If we're drafting Rubio, I don't think we need to pick another PG at either of the next 2 picks that we will have.

We'll be running short of big men next season as were more likely to let go all our bigs except for Hawes, Thompson, and K9:D. So I would prefer to draft bigs at 23 and 31.

Gani Lawal (6'8" 230lbsPF)
Craig Brackins (6'10" 230lbs PF)
or BJ Mullens (7" 260lbs C)

at #23 and either

Josh Heytvelt (6'11" 260lbs PF)
Jeff Pendergraph (6'9" 230lbs PF)
Alade Aminu (6'10" PF)

at #31

Kings Lineup

PG - Rubio/Udrih
SG - Martin/Garcia
SF - Greene/Nocioni
PF - Thompson/Heytvelt
C - Hawes/Mullens
 
By position I like:

PG's
1) Jeff Teague
2) Jrue Holiday
3) Eric Maynor

SG's
1) Terrence Williams
2) Gerald Henderson
3) Wayne Ellington

SF's
1) Earl Clarke(hope he slips)
2) Sam Young
3) Austin Daye

PF's
1) DeJuan Blair
2) James Johnson
3) Patrick Patterson

C's
1) Craig Brackins
2) BJ Mullens
3) Gani Lawal
 
If Teague or Brackins fell that low, that would be a coup, even if we had drafted Rubio or Griffin, respectively, already. While neither Mullens nor Holiday impressed me much, being able to take a flier on either at #23 would also be huge.
 
I want Ricky Rubio with our number 2 overall pick, But If we get number 1 and draft Blake Griffin I think Kings should draft Patrick Mills at 23.
 
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