No, not at all. I think Teague has an appealing mix of shooting and athleticism, and would be happy if we could move up a few spots from 23 and snag him. The comparison wasn't meant say these guys are garbage and therefore Teague is too, but only to say these guys are shoot first gunners and I believe Teague is as well. I would agree he may develop into a Jason Terry type, but I just think he has some work ahead of him, and that it isn't a sure thing. I haven't looked up the stats to corroborate this yet, but I recall Terry as being much farther along as a passer in college than Teague is at present. Also, Douby was a fine shooter and all around offensive player in college, so the shots you took there are bit unfair, imo.
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It almost goes without saying that Teague has work to do and he's not a sure thing. I don't think there's a player in the draft who you couldn't say the same thing about. I wish I would have seen Douby play in college. I'd like to know how the guy some perceived as a great scorer could crumble so in the NBA.
I actually think this is a pretty good breakdown, and I agree that it's more of a spectrum than some sort of binary scoring/pure categorization.
But like Kingster, I think you're wrong to put Teague in category one. He's not Eddie House. He can make plays for others, and particularly when he was playing point he did a decent job of setting people up.
I watched Wake play a lot. What happened with that team is twofold. The first is that Ishmael Smith started getting more playing time, and Gaudio started playing him at the point instead of Teague, nevermind that Smith is even less of a pure point. It then became Teague's job to score rather than to set guys up.
The second thing that happened is that teams realized that because Wake was full of dumb players like Aminu and has a dumb coach, all you needed to do to stop them was to throw a 2/3 zone at them and watch them self destruct. Seriously, it was incredibly pathetic. They just passed the ball around the perimeter, they'd get it to Johnson or Teague late in the shot clock and they'd go 1 on 5. There wasn't a lot of passing going on on that entire team.
But when you watch Teague on the break, he's really effective. He can pass the ball. Watch the video with this game recap, which shows his all-around skills: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=290390154
Now, would I put him in category 4 or 5? No way. But he's at least a 2, maybe a 3 on your scale.
But like Kingster, I think you're wrong to put Teague in category one. He's not Eddie House. He can make plays for others, and particularly when he was playing point he did a decent job of setting people up.
I watched Wake play a lot. What happened with that team is twofold. The first is that Ishmael Smith started getting more playing time, and Gaudio started playing him at the point instead of Teague, nevermind that Smith is even less of a pure point. It then became Teague's job to score rather than to set guys up.
The second thing that happened is that teams realized that because Wake was full of dumb players like Aminu and has a dumb coach, all you needed to do to stop them was to throw a 2/3 zone at them and watch them self destruct. Seriously, it was incredibly pathetic. They just passed the ball around the perimeter, they'd get it to Johnson or Teague late in the shot clock and they'd go 1 on 5. There wasn't a lot of passing going on on that entire team.
But when you watch Teague on the break, he's really effective. He can pass the ball. Watch the video with this game recap, which shows his all-around skills: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=290390154
Now, would I put him in category 4 or 5? No way. But he's at least a 2, maybe a 3 on your scale.
I would put him in the 2 category. He's not out there to shoot first second and third THEN look for teammates. I think he is a smart enough kid to know that if he's put into the PG spot that he has to think about the others... But I still think he is not polished doing what I mentioned above and that's why I wouldn't use the 4th pick on him.
Nice response. Putting Teague in category 1 may have been slight exaggeration.
I was actually pretty high on Teague earlier in the year, but his play late in the year was just so disappointing to me that I really began to sour on him. In the games I saw late in the year he had some tunnel vision going (when his team actually got him the ball), and his shot just stopped falling. My lingering memory of that team is of moody looks and a lack of camaraderie. Fairly or not, I put blame for that on their best player. The coaches may deserve the lion share of that "credit", though, as you have argued.
I can't really disagree with your analysis on why Teague's game declined, but I seem to recall Teague's assist to turnover ratio as being consistently poor whether he was on the ball or off. If you have evidence to the contrary I would of course reconsider my position.
Anyway, thanks for your perspective.
I was actually pretty high on Teague earlier in the year, but his play late in the year was just so disappointing to me that I really began to sour on him. In the games I saw late in the year he had some tunnel vision going (when his team actually got him the ball), and his shot just stopped falling. My lingering memory of that team is of moody looks and a lack of camaraderie. Fairly or not, I put blame for that on their best player. The coaches may deserve the lion share of that "credit", though, as you have argued.I can't really disagree with your analysis on why Teague's game declined, but I seem to recall Teague's assist to turnover ratio as being consistently poor whether he was on the ball or off. If you have evidence to the contrary I would of course reconsider my position.
Anyway, thanks for your perspective.
Nice response. Putting Teague in category 1 may have been slight exaggeration. I was actually pretty high on Teague earlier in the year, but his play late in the year was just so disappointing to me that I really began to sour on him. In the games I saw late in the year he had some tunnel vision going (when his team actually got him the ball), and his shot just stopped falling. My lingering memory of that team is of moody looks and a lack of camaraderie. Fairly or not, I put blame for that on their best player. The coaches may deserve the lion share of that "credit", though, as you have argued.
I can't really disagree with your analysis on why Teague's game declined, but I seem to recall Teague's assist to turnover ratio as being consistently poor whether he was on the ball or off. If you have evidence to the contrary I would of course reconsider my position.
Anyway, thanks for your perspective.
I was actually pretty high on Teague earlier in the year, but his play late in the year was just so disappointing to me that I really began to sour on him. In the games I saw late in the year he had some tunnel vision going (when his team actually got him the ball), and his shot just stopped falling. My lingering memory of that team is of moody looks and a lack of camaraderie. Fairly or not, I put blame for that on their best player. The coaches may deserve the lion share of that "credit", though, as you have argued.I can't really disagree with your analysis on why Teague's game declined, but I seem to recall Teague's assist to turnover ratio as being consistently poor whether he was on the ball or off. If you have evidence to the contrary I would of course reconsider my position.
Anyway, thanks for your perspective.
Douby's problem was that he dominated the ball in college -- completely dominated it like an Allen Iverson -- and then he bounced up in level to the NBA where he was never going to be allowed to do that. Dominating the ball like that is a dangerous trait for a college player -- unless you are really really special no NBA team is going to let you play like that, and you could see the result in Douby the same way you can see an again Iverson start to struggle. Doubly was not comfortable as a spot up shooter, always wanted to put te ball on teh floor and dribble a few times, had never worried about getting his sad sack teammates involved in college and had no real knack for it in the NBA, and despite his college acheivements essentially ended up wiht very little confidence in himself in the new and unfamiliar roles he was asked to play.
