Analysis Paralysis McNair

pdxKingsFan said:
I'm sorry, I was talking about the offer on the table not the one you have decided we didn't make.
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im talking about the offer with which any competent GM would have countered. Amick pretty said as much when they were surprised the Kings didn’t counter.
 
sactowndog said:
im talking about the offer with which any competent GM would have countered. Amick pretty said as much when they were surprised the Kings didn’t counter.
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Didn't counter what offer? Wasn't Vlade in charge when the snell offer was made and the hypothetical counter should have occurred?
 
Telemachus said:
Except that Amick said the Kings did counter. They wanted one of the younger players (Amick didn't specify) instead of Snell, and Atlanta said no.
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No we wanted sure a young wing and Atlanta offered Snell and refused to give us Reddish or Huerter as wings are gold. Once it was clear we weren’t getting a wing we had 2 options: match or propose the OKC first(converts to 2nds) for Bogi into their cap space. We did neither due to the analysis paralysis mentioned.
 
sactowndog said:
No we wanted sure a young wing and Atlanta offered Snell and refused to give us Reddish or Huerter as wings are gold. Once it was clear we weren’t getting a wing we had 2 options: match or propose the OKC first(converts to 2nds) for Bogi into their cap space. We did neither due to the analysis paralysis mentioned.
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As far as I can find, there was never an option for the Kings that didn't include Tony Snell.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
The whole thing is documented so I don't know what else to say. They wanted to unload Snell and taking him back at the start of Free Agency would have been stupid. Even if he shot 1.000 on .2 FTA pg.
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It was also documented by Amick they never made a counter to the Snell offer. You are just looking at the documentation you want to. You can’t say Atlanta would turn down an offer never made. It’s far more common for GM’s to work with each other on trade exceptions.
 
sactowndog said:
It was also documented by Amick they never made a counter to the Snell offer. You are just looking at the documentation you want to. You can’t say Atlanta would turn down an offer never made. It’s far more common for GM’s to work with each other on trade exceptions.
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Lol Atlanta was never giving up those young guys. We have nothing for em
 
Telemachus said:
Riiight! The one that was never offered.
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dude really. It’s wasn’t Atlanta’s job to counter the Snell offer. It was Monte’s job and he F’d it up. The counter to the Snell offer that should have been given was the First only. Perhaps that becomes only a single second but as others have proven you recoup it later. Monte froze and ****ed up. Quit making excuses for a man not doing his job,

Every NBA analyst at the time thought it was dumb we didn’t get at least a trade exception. The only people who don’t are a small group of Kings fans.
 
sactowndog said:
dude really. It’s wasn’t Atlanta’s job to counter the Snell offer. It was Monte’s job and he F’d it up. The counter to the Snell offer that should have been given was the First only. Perhaps that becomes only a single second but as others have proven you recoup it later. Monte froze and ****ed up. Quit making excuses for a man not doing his job,

Every NBA analyst at the time thought it was dumb we didn’t get at least a trade exception. The only people who don’t are a small group of Kings fans.
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Once again, Atlanta could sign him outright or they could let the Kings sign him and then trade him to Atlanta for nothing. Hmmm? Which would I do if I was Atlanta? I know! The one that they did.
 
Telemachus said:
Once again, Atlanta could sign him outright or they could let the Kings sign him and then trade him to Atlanta for nothing. Hmmm? Which would I do if I was Atlanta? I know! The one that they did.
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Jesus Christ.

Atlanta could sign him out right with all the poison pills in the contract to insure the Kings don’t match.
or
Atlanta could throw in a second to the Kings and avoid all the poison pill provisions.

what every experienced GM would do is the latter.
 
Every single new contract so far as been decent to positive. You may or may not like the moves, but I'm so tired of being handcuffed by the cap with middling vets.

That's enough for me to be patient and see how he makes moves later with guys most likely not in our long term plans.
 
sactowndog said:
Every NBA analyst at the time thought it was dumb we didn’t get at least a trade exception. The only people who don’t are a small group of Kings fans.
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This was NEVER brought up by any analyst anywhere. Not a single person ever brought up the idea of the King doing a sign & trade for nothing. The idea that Atlanta was willing to do a sign & trade that didn't include Tony Snell only exists in your mind.
 
Telemachus said:
This was NEVER brought up by any analyst anywhere. Not a single person ever brought up the idea of the King doing a sign & trade for nothing. The idea that Atlanta was willing to do a sign & trade that didn't include Tony Snell only exists in your mind.
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No it was absolutely mentioned by Amick and others.
 
Can we end this?

(UPDATE: In fairness to the Kings and first-year general manager Monte McNair, there’s more context here that I’ve gleaned since the publication of this piece this morning. Sources say the Hawks’ offer of the 2022 first rounder also included the Kings taking on Tony Snell and his expiring deal worth $12.1 million. What’s more, sources say there was no clarity given (or asked for) regarding the exact size of the Bogdanovic deal and, thus, made it tougher for the Kings to determine whether they’d want to match if — as would happen — he ultimately signed an offer sheet with the Hawks. There was a time element attached to the offer, too, with the Hawks asking for an answer within an hour and the Kings, who had asked for some of Atlanta’s younger players to no avail, ultimately declining. There’s strong reason to believe the Hawks would have done the deal without Snell and just for the 2022 first-rounder — which, again, will very likely turn into two seconds — but sources say that scenario was not discussed.)
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Padrino said:
This is one of the longest, most tedious arguments I've ever seen play out at KF.com over such an inconsequential transaction.
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Except I would argue we have seen multiple instances where having a 17M trade exception would have been quite useful,
 
sactowndog said:
says the guy who defended Vlade up to the day he got fired.
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Like any rational person I both defended and criticized Vlade. It wasn't a black and white thing. If I had a blind spot, it was to Cousins and trying to "win now" with him. I hated the Bagley pick when it was made and if you don't believe me go to the draft thread.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Like any rational person I both defended and criticized Vlade. It wasn't a black and white thing. If I had a blind spot, it was to Cousins and trying to "win now" with him. I hated the Bagley pick when it was made and if you don't believe me go to the draft thread.
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Vlade was very criticizable long before the Bagley pick. And I defended his trades but his drafting issues were obvious after Foxes rookie year.
 
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