lol. Yes, a player and agent would NEVER spin the narrative after getting caught.
Analysis Paralysis McNair
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lol. Yes, a player and agent would NEVER spin the narrative after getting caught.
Tetsujin
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Lol, hire the guy who never pulled the trigger with his multiple assets.
Reminder to the Bogi stans…..he and Buddy couldn’t put their egos aside and neither was happy coming off the bench and let management know about it. Supposed high IQ, guy who will succeed under pressure was anything but in the playoffs. Typically had a good game sandwiched between several bad games Bogdanovich. Now he is on a ridiculous contract in ATL.
Monte had a deal in place. Best thing Monte has done is not matched on that guy.
Monte had a deal in place. Best thing Monte has done is not matched on that guy.
Iced Espresso
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I would of liked to see him move Bjelica in last years draft though. Another minor gripe.
Yes, Bogi stans don’t want to hear it but he is full of crap with all this other noise. Covering his bases and reputation.
kb02
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I would add Holmes, Barnes, Buddy, and Bags at the deadline.
sactowndog
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I am not certain the trade is dead.
sactowndog
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yeah he really killed Atlanta on their way to the ECF.
Iced Espresso
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Well if he does resign Holmes, he gets a pass, we may or may not like the salary. But it would be logical.
We haven't seen the return if any are to come with Buddy/Barnes yet.
He tried to move Bagley, but no one wanted him really.
Also, he does preach "flexibility" so even if I am annoyed about Bjelica. Let's say he did take bad salary in return for a draft perk. Maybe it would hinder a potential bigger move. But still I'd of moved Bjelica then.
TaxMan
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None of these were "annnounced" trades. They were all rumored to have been agreed, but as far as I know (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), the Kings/Monte have never confirmed any of them.
kb02
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“Announced”. Quotes didn’t convey the intent as in not-official, but to the point where they’re being reported as done…until something happens. The only one that we heard after the fact was the Bogi and Atl offer for a first and Snell.
ockingsfan
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Maybe this is Monte’s Revenge for Atlanta botching the Bogi - Milwaukee trade last summer!
Telemachus
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I know it sounds better to call it a 1sr round pick, but everyone knew it would end up being a 2nd round pick. The Kings didn't turn down a 1st. They turned down the contract of Snell and a future 2nd.
sactowndog
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I think it was 2 seconds. But more concerned they didn’t counter, per Amick, with just the convertible 1st and a TPE. We could have used that TPE to get Favors and a first.
Telemachus
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They did counter (per Amick), they asked for one of the younger players instead of Snell. Atlanta said, No!
kb02
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https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2020...rst-round-pick-from-hawks-in-bogdanovic-trade
Guess nothing is better than something.
So after several days of reactionary consensus being McNair was too eager to get into a trade and gave up the best talent for a low return, now we've arrived at McNair is too hesitant and missing great deals.
I think I'm comfortable with not having an opinion here.
I think I'm comfortable with not having an opinion here.
kb02
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I like Wright and didn’t have a strong opinion on the Tristan trade.
It’s funny how pointing out an obvious pattern of McNair’s, in a fair way, is interpreted ss being negative. I’m not negative on McNair YET.
The only pattern I see here is that the NBA scoop media has become more competitive to announce deals before they happen.
Bogi deal - blown up by his agent who actually does have a pattern of blowing up/sabotaging deals. This is the only one that really hurt us, but it's also the one where Monte had executed one hell of a deal and it got blown up by outside forces. The result is that instead of his first move being a huge win, some have chosen to use that as a sign of his incompetence.
Lakers deal - killed last minute by a superstar move to LA - this one, you almost have to think was lost due to the scoop media causing this mega deal. Whether that was something someone at the Lakers intended to do by feeding scoops, or we lost it, the reason that the deal died was because Westbrook to LA happened. On paper it sounds like a lousy trade. At the box office, it makes a ton of sense. But seems pretty clear this was a Lakers move and because it involved a draft pick and an agreement to execute a trade at a later date, not a "hesitation" issue - the trade still hasn't been executed and its LA still trying to sweeten the deal by trying to stick Schroeder on someone.
TT deal - it's not even dead, but if it is it seems to have come about from the ATL/BOS end. They were the ones working around deadlines we were just jumping in for the ride.
On the other hand, you started a thread called "Analysis Paralysis McNair", and you seem surprised that this is interpreted as being negative.
whozit
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The LA one shows the arrogance of the elite. Reports after the fact indicated that the players expected the rumored deal to go down. I'm looking from the players side and the whiplash from this is pretty brutal. Individuals shouldn't be treated like this. And my gut is telling me fellow players instigated the whiplash events.
I'm really confused about the LA deal though, LeBron needs a shooter not a player who needs his own ball on the court. Unless I missed some rule changes for next season, why would he have been the one behind this deal?
* and yeah - I've seen the reports that state he and Westbrook orchestrated this. If it's just playing with your friends ok cool, but I thought he came to LA to bring them championships not make Space Jams and create a ludicrously overpaid "big 3" that will be lucky to get past the second round against any team with any depth.
kb02
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Guess I should've just adopted the KH moniker of McGenius. Should we go with McGenius?
Padrino
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I think it's pretty fair to call Monte McNair's tenure as Kings' GM "conservative," to this point. That said, he hasn't been on the job all that long. I'm not ready to say he suffers from "analysis paralysis." I think that's a better descriptor for, say, Danny Ainge's years-long stockpiling of young assets that he never bothered to convert into the proven winners that would return the Celtics to title contention, per his own publicly-stated agenda. It ultimately cost him his job in Boston.
If the Kings go into the 2021-2022 season with Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley still on the roster, then I think it would be more fair to characterize McNair as suffering from a similar (though less severe) malady as a GM. Neither Hield nor Bagley are particularly quiet personalities when it comes to the way they perceive their respective roles on the team. It shows little respect for locker room dynamics to gesture so heavily in the direction of trading players like that while neglecting to pull the trigger. It's a problem for team chemistry/cohesion and it's a problem for roster balance, given the moves that McNair has already been making this offseason.
I certainly don't think McNair should make a trade just to make a trade, but good GM's find ways to spin superfluous talent into better-fitting talent. If the Kings are trying to "win now," then McNair's got more work to do this offseason. It can't just happen at the margins with moves that barely even breathe on the needle, like the apparent Delon Wright/Tristan Thompson swap that may or may not materialize. The offseason is only just beginning, of course. Monte's got time. Let's see what he does with it.
If the Kings go into the 2021-2022 season with Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley still on the roster, then I think it would be more fair to characterize McNair as suffering from a similar (though less severe) malady as a GM. Neither Hield nor Bagley are particularly quiet personalities when it comes to the way they perceive their respective roles on the team. It shows little respect for locker room dynamics to gesture so heavily in the direction of trading players like that while neglecting to pull the trigger. It's a problem for team chemistry/cohesion and it's a problem for roster balance, given the moves that McNair has already been making this offseason.
I certainly don't think McNair should make a trade just to make a trade, but good GM's find ways to spin superfluous talent into better-fitting talent. If the Kings are trying to "win now," then McNair's got more work to do this offseason. It can't just happen at the margins with moves that barely even breathe on the needle, like the apparent Delon Wright/Tristan Thompson swap that may or may not materialize. The offseason is only just beginning, of course. Monte's got time. Let's see what he does with it.
Tetsujin
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Absolutely no one at King Herald is calling him McGenius unironically
kb02
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It's there.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
HARD FACTS
kb02
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This is fair.
Given the duration of Kings GMs under Vivek, Monte has maybe 1 to 3 years left with the Kings.
