=LarryLegend=
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I kinda like this young cat better than old mike wilks! any other King fans want him? he had a couple of 20pt games, and scored 10 or more 14 times. looks ok at D.
Allen Ray
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MassachusettsKingsFan
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not a pg at all, i watched most of his games with the C's and all he did was shoot 3's..
I woke up this morning and thought to myself: "Self? You know who would be a perfect fit for the Kings as a backup point guard? An undrafted free agent end-of-the-bencher, who wasn't even good enough for the Celtics. Yeah, I'm all over that guy!"
Pass.
Pass.
SacKings7
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Mike Wilks wasn't good enough for the Sonics, or a lot of other teams for that matter. I say give Allen Ray a shot, couldn't hurt. I'd like to see the Kings get Dee Brown though..
This is just silly, IMHO. Some people are acting as though every player cut by another team is a diamond in the rough worth bringing to the Kings.
Mike Wilks might well surprise some of you. Petrie does pretty well in assessing which players might reach their potential with us. Doug Christie, Bobby Jackson, John Salmons, and others have all more than met and in a lot of cases exceeded fan expectations once they came to the Kings.
This "I say give ____________ a shot" might work in video games but it's just not gonna happen in the real NBA. Sometimes wash-out players like Allen Ray are just wash-out players.
Mike Wilks might well surprise some of you. Petrie does pretty well in assessing which players might reach their potential with us. Doug Christie, Bobby Jackson, John Salmons, and others have all more than met and in a lot of cases exceeded fan expectations once they came to the Kings.
This "I say give ____________ a shot" might work in video games but it's just not gonna happen in the real NBA. Sometimes wash-out players like Allen Ray are just wash-out players.
Ray has talent though, look at his game log. He had a couple nice games to end the season and he was good in college.
And yet, he couldn't even stay on the Celtics. Doesn't that say more than a couple of nice games to end the season?
I'm not really that sold on Wilks yet, but I think I can understand why we might sign him. I've bought into the "interim veteran" idea as being a logical way to give the kids time to become better without making it so difficult for them to get past the vets that they'll never see any time.
Bottom line, my real objection is that no matter who gets cut from what team, someone invariably has to think that particular player would be a great addition to the Kings. And more often than not, it's simply not true. Sometimes one man's trash is just ... well ... another man's trash.
I don't want Mike Wilks, either.
SacKings7
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And yet, he couldn't even stay on the Celtics. Doesn't that say more than a couple of nice games to end the season?
I'm not really that sold on Wilks yet, but I think I can understand why we might sign him. I've bought into the "interim veteran" idea as being a logical way to give the kids time to become better without making it so difficult for them to get past the vets that they'll never see any time.
Bottom line, my real objection is that no matter who gets cut from what team, someone invariably has to think that particular player would be a great addition to the Kings. And more often than not, it's simply not true. Sometimes one man's trash is just ... well ... another man's trash.
I'm not saying Allen Ray would be a great addition to the team. Since it looks like we may sign Wilks, I was just really comparing the 2 players, and which one I'd like to have of the 2. I just think that Allen Ray has a better chance of panning out than a Mike Wilks. But as I said before, if it were up to me, I'd pick option C and sign Dee Brown. Whatever. I trust Petrie's judgment (excluding a couple of trades he made)
I was really bummed when I read the Celtics cut him last night.
Not because he had game or anything like that, I just thought it would be fun to have Allan Ray and Ray Allen on the same club.
eta: oops missed that venom pointed it out first, but really "NO! It can't be!" was my immediate thought upon seeing it on the sports ticker.
Not because he had game or anything like that, I just thought it would be fun to have Allan Ray and Ray Allen on the same club.
eta: oops missed that venom pointed it out first, but really "NO! It can't be!" was my immediate thought upon seeing it on the sports ticker.
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I was really bummed when I read the Celtics cut him last night.
Not because he had game or anything like that, I just thought it would be fun to have Allan Ray and Ray Allen on the same club.
You know, you just might be onto something. What if Ray Allen demanded that Allan Ray be cut because of the potential for confusion?
I'd like to see Gerald Wallace, Rasheed Wallace and Ben Wallace all on the same team.
HighFlyingMonkey
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PG: Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
SG: ???
SF: Tariq Abdul-Wahad
PF: Shareef Abdur-Rahim
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
If all in their prime, that would be one hell of a team, with some filler at SG (Paula Abdul?)
SG: ???
SF: Tariq Abdul-Wahad
PF: Shareef Abdur-Rahim
C: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
If all in their prime, that would be one hell of a team, with some filler at SG (Paula Abdul?)
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SacKings7
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lol. maybe u can shift tariq and shareef down and add in Bison Dele (doesn't really fit but did change his name because of religion or culture)
Semi
Bench
PG: Sarunas Jasikevicius
SG: Arvydas Macijauskas
SF: Thabo Sefolosha
PF: Andreas Glyniadakis
C: Martynas Andriuskevicius
Bench:Loukas Mavrokefalidis
Arvydas Macijauskas
Renaldas Seibutis
PG: Mo Williams
SG: Marcus Williams
SF: Marvin Williams
PF: Marcus Williams
C: Justin Williams
Bench: Maurice Williams
Jawad Williams
Jason Williams
Jay Williams
Hmm. Perhaps the offseason is becoming tiresome.
SG: Arvydas Macijauskas
SF: Thabo Sefolosha
PF: Andreas Glyniadakis
C: Martynas Andriuskevicius
Bench:Loukas Mavrokefalidis
Arvydas Macijauskas
Renaldas Seibutis
PG: Mo Williams
SG: Marcus Williams
SF: Marvin Williams
PF: Marcus Williams
C: Justin Williams
Bench: Maurice Williams
Jawad Williams
Jason Williams
Jay Williams
Hmm. Perhaps the offseason is becoming tiresome.
supamari0
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SG: Hakeem Olajuwon
kennadog
Dog On It!
At least it would be fun listening to the game announcers deal with that list.
Allan Ray isn't just some scrub who got cut from a team of mostly 20 year old nobodies. He's actually a pretty good young player. He was cut because Ray Allen just took his spot in the rotation so that's his competition, not a bunch of scrubs, one of the best SG in the league. But considering he's another undersized SG, we have no use for him unless you'd like to push guys like Douby, Shakur, and Francisco even further back into the rotation.
SacKings7
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Hard to put a dead guy on the floor.
he's dead???
.. I remember reading his name in something a while back, but I thought it said it was his brother??
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Entity
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I have to call a foul on this one. Mo Williams and Maurice Williams are indeed the same person.
supamari0
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SacKings7
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Yup. As are Arvydas Macijauskas and Arvydas Macijauskas, unless you meant Sabonis. Still a good list though..
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Semi
Bench
he's dead???
Both are dead. Bison was just never found.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bison_Dele
Disappearance in the South Pacific
In July 2002, Dele and his girlfriend, Serena Karlan, sailed on the South Pacific Ocean along with skipper Bertrand Saldo on Dele's catamaran, the Hakuna Matata. Dele's brother, Miles Dabord (born Kevin Williams), was the only person involved in the voyage who was seen or heard from after July 8, when the party was in Tahiti. Dele and Karlan had previously kept regular contact with their banks and family members. On July 20, Dabord was by himself when he brought the boat into Tahiti.
On September 5, police used a sting operation organized by Dele's family and friends to detain Dabord in Phoenix, Arizona. Dabord had forged his brother's signature in order to buy $152,000 worth of gold under his brother's name. He had used Dele's passport as identification. Mexican police later found that Dabord had been staying at a hotel in Tijuana, Mexico. Two days before, the Hakuna Matata, which had been registered in Tahiti under another name, was found off the coast of Tahiti with its name plate removed and some possible bullet holes patched. About the same time, Dabord phoned Patricia Phillips, the mother of Dabord and Dele, telling her that he would never hurt his brother and that he could not survive in prison.
The FBI, which did not usually handle missing-persons cases, became involved in the investigation regarding Dele along with the French authorities and concluded that Dele, Karlan and Saldo were probably killed, and then thrown overboard, by Dabord. Given that the bodies were likely dumped in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, it would be highly unlikely that the three would ever be found.
Dabord, the only major source of information regarding the case, intentionally overdosed on insulin and slipped into a coma. On September 27, 2002, he died in a California hospital. After Dabord's suicide, officials did not expect to find much more regarding the case. A memorial service was then held for both Dabord and Dele.
Dabord and Dele were frequently at odds with each other. After Dabord's death, his lawyer and life-long best friend, Paul White, was questioned regarding his client but gave little information about what happened. Dabord had said that he knew for sure that Dele and Karlan were in French Polynesia, but not much more other than that he was trying to help Dele.
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