All about Bosh (merged)
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Who needs to go and why.. and for what/who
I think I'll start this off I guess..
Needs to go:
1) Hawes - He's got potential, but I personally don't see much improvement.. He has some good games at times but most of the time he's overly frustrating and soft. His defense and decision making isn't great, isn't athletic, and doesn't seem to attack the boards for rebounds... He has a pretty good offensive skill set but needs to bulk up and get more acclimated to the NBA game still. I almost feel like he feels entitled to start here in Sac - and what he did in the summer league doesn't sit well either. He needs time, and probably a few more years to blossom into anything if he ever will.
2) K9 - Self explanitory, I like the guy but he's just a trade asset.
3) Nocioni - We're loaded at the wing and he doesn't seem to be the veteran leader we all hoped he would be this season. Lately he seems to be forcing more shots then usual which is frustrating.
4) Kevin Martin - Controversial yes. But I feel overly confident with our guards currently (and especially when Garcia is back). Offense won't be a problem for us but defense is. He gets steals by gambling but steals != defense. Generally at this point in their careers players are who they will be. He's an elite scorer - no debating that. He's also fragile and a defensive liability. Sure we have more defensive liabilities but none of them have the trade power KMart brings.
What do we go after:
Well lets be honest. We need bigs that have these traits
1) Interior defender. A blocker and solid post defender.
2) Post Scorer
chances are the players that have these combined skills aren't available or would be harder to come by with package we want to offer but you never know I guess... I won't list specific trades yet but you can feel free too...
Players I think we should target(some more available then others):
Brook Lopez
Al Jefferson
Emeka Okafor
Dalambert
Chris Kaman
David West
Biedrens
Chris Bosh
A'mare Stoudamire
Roy Hibbert
Noah
Anthony Randolph (rather let him develop then Hawes)
Even Brandon Haywood or Andray Blatche
Might add some more later
Left out some bigs that I think we have no shot at due to where their teams are going for playoffs/championship.
I think I'll start this off I guess..
Needs to go:
1) Hawes - He's got potential, but I personally don't see much improvement.. He has some good games at times but most of the time he's overly frustrating and soft. His defense and decision making isn't great, isn't athletic, and doesn't seem to attack the boards for rebounds... He has a pretty good offensive skill set but needs to bulk up and get more acclimated to the NBA game still. I almost feel like he feels entitled to start here in Sac - and what he did in the summer league doesn't sit well either. He needs time, and probably a few more years to blossom into anything if he ever will.
2) K9 - Self explanitory, I like the guy but he's just a trade asset.
3) Nocioni - We're loaded at the wing and he doesn't seem to be the veteran leader we all hoped he would be this season. Lately he seems to be forcing more shots then usual which is frustrating.
4) Kevin Martin - Controversial yes. But I feel overly confident with our guards currently (and especially when Garcia is back). Offense won't be a problem for us but defense is. He gets steals by gambling but steals != defense. Generally at this point in their careers players are who they will be. He's an elite scorer - no debating that. He's also fragile and a defensive liability. Sure we have more defensive liabilities but none of them have the trade power KMart brings.
What do we go after:
Well lets be honest. We need bigs that have these traits
1) Interior defender. A blocker and solid post defender.
2) Post Scorer
chances are the players that have these combined skills aren't available or would be harder to come by with package we want to offer but you never know I guess... I won't list specific trades yet but you can feel free too...
Players I think we should target(some more available then others):
Brook Lopez
Al Jefferson
Emeka Okafor
Dalambert
Chris Kaman
David West
Biedrens
Chris Bosh
A'mare Stoudamire
Roy Hibbert
Noah
Anthony Randolph (rather let him develop then Hawes)
Even Brandon Haywood or Andray Blatche
Might add some more later
Left out some bigs that I think we have no shot at due to where their teams are going for playoffs/championship.
Oh, he solves some of them. A steady consistent 2nd big threat that you can jsut throw it into.
Not the defense though. But we have tow sepearte needs really. 1) we ned to get Reke his inside stud wingman. His own Boozer, West, Aldrige guy to work with. And then we need to get defensive presence inside. Since Duncan is both old and unavailable we aren't really going to be abel to do both things at once.. But they both still need to be done.
I think your deal is also unrealistically optimistic. The Kings are doing fine on offense without Kevin anyway, and it's not like his defensive contribution would be missed... and bringing Bosh would take away from JT's minutes anyway, so really, a trade like that would mean getting Bosh to Sacramento for practically nothing.
I don't agree. If Bosh were to come, most likely Hawes would be gone in the deal that brings him. Thats assuming were trading to aquire him. Thompson would move to center and Bosh would play PF. Were still left without our third big, but we will upgraded one of the spots. Even is Hawes were still here, there wouldn't be any problem getting Thompson his minutes. Right now minutes are going to Thomas, Brockman, Nocioni and at times Greene at the PF spot. In last nights game, they actually had Evans guarding Aldridge a few times. I might add that he did a better job than Hawes did.
I tend to agree. Once you get your 2 superstars you can fill the holes around them with good role players. If you have Bosh at PF, then even someone like Gortat is good fit at C
C: Gortat
PF: Bosh
SF: Greene
SG: Garcia
PG: Evans
Thats a pretty tall and good starting 5 with Bosh being your weakest defender. You've got length, atleticism, shooting, inside-outside game, defence.
C: Gortat
PF: Bosh
SF: Greene
SG: Garcia
PG: Evans
Thats a pretty tall and good starting 5 with Bosh being your weakest defender. You've got length, atleticism, shooting, inside-outside game, defence.
JT + Kmart would be the price more than likely for a Bosh. Personally I'd do it. Bosh + Evans inside out game would be great. Hope we can persuade the Hornets into a KT + Hawes for Okafor deal (all signs point at them declining this deal last time)... Okafor/Bosh/Greene/Garcia/Evans.. I like our chances with that starting line-up
I think this is HIGHLY unlikely.
I think the most likely scenario is that all this big name free agents stick with their current teams.
Bosh is probably the one that is most likely to leave but of all the teams that will have cap room for next year, Knicks would be the least desireable franchise if he wants to win anything.
I think the most likely scenario is that all this big name free agents stick with their current teams.
Bosh is probably the one that is most likely to leave but of all the teams that will have cap room for next year, Knicks would be the least desireable franchise if he wants to win anything.
You're not looking far enough into the future. NY is only 2.5 games out of the 8th spot, has improved considerably of late, will be a legitimate playoff team next yr with Bosh, and can be a championship calibre team if they can sign a second star.
And Chris Bosh is a guy who has always yarn for more exposure. Going to NYC is a no-brainer if you're Bosh.
And Chris Bosh is a guy who has always yarn for more exposure. Going to NYC is a no-brainer if you're Bosh.
What if we wait till the off-season to see if we can land Bosh? Instead of giving away some of our players for a player that can potentially leave, I think it would be better if we try to lure him here during the summer. Then we can keep our players and build upon this team. Does anybody agree with this?
No, not really. In an open bidding war againstg a diozen other teams, we lose.
Nowe if we get him, start winning, we have the big edge of inertia, and the even bigger edge of the Bird Rule, allowing us to sign him back for more money than he could get from anyone else.
Once he signs with someone else over the summer he's gone. No way he ends up back on the market for years after that. I don't like the free agency thing at all. But then again its the only reason a 24 and 12 guy is ever really going to be on the market.
Nowe if we get him, start winning, we have the big edge of inertia, and the even bigger edge of the Bird Rule, allowing us to sign him back for more money than he could get from anyone else.
Once he signs with someone else over the summer he's gone. No way he ends up back on the market for years after that. I don't like the free agency thing at all. But then again its the only reason a 24 and 12 guy is ever really going to be on the market.
Why not Bosh??
I havent read up on the hundreds of possibilities, but someone explain this to me, in all seriousness.
The Kings look to have a budding Star and are loaded with POSSIBLY the best OVERALL young talent in the nba when you look at Omri, JT, Tyreke, and i will even throw in Donte.
Anyways, the thought of somehow getting Bosh makes me salivate.
Isnt his contract up with the Raptors after this season? Why wouldnt Bosh want to sign with the Kings? Get Webber to make a trip to Bosh and do the sell job about how great it can be in Sac.
So what are the biggest things keeping this from happening? Trade KT, next years number 1, and maybe?????????????Beno or even Sergio. Something for Toronto since they are likely going ot say bye bye to Bosh anyways? or am I off and is Bosh possibly returning to Toronto.
Could you imagine that starting 5 in 2 years???
Bosh
JT
Tyreke
Martin
Omri (or someone else)
I havent read up on the hundreds of possibilities, but someone explain this to me, in all seriousness.
The Kings look to have a budding Star and are loaded with POSSIBLY the best OVERALL young talent in the nba when you look at Omri, JT, Tyreke, and i will even throw in Donte.
Anyways, the thought of somehow getting Bosh makes me salivate.
Isnt his contract up with the Raptors after this season? Why wouldnt Bosh want to sign with the Kings? Get Webber to make a trip to Bosh and do the sell job about how great it can be in Sac.
So what are the biggest things keeping this from happening? Trade KT, next years number 1, and maybe?????????????Beno or even Sergio. Something for Toronto since they are likely going ot say bye bye to Bosh anyways? or am I off and is Bosh possibly returning to Toronto.
Could you imagine that starting 5 in 2 years???
Bosh
JT
Tyreke
Martin
Omri (or someone else)
Well, first of all, it would probably take a lot more than KT, next year's first, and change to get Bosh. It would probably be centered around KMart + Hawes or something similar to get him.
Second, you don't want Bosh playing center, you want him as the power forward, meaning JT will probably have to come off the bench and we still won't have a legitimate center. But we wouldn't need a great center if we have Tyreke + Bosh.
Also, there is always the risk that Bosh will decide to leave our team this offseason as well, meaning if we trade Kmart and Hawes, we just lose two tradable pieces just to rent Bosh for half a season.
Bosh would be an amazing option for this team, but trading for him might be too risky/unrealistic.
Second, you don't want Bosh playing center, you want him as the power forward, meaning JT will probably have to come off the bench and we still won't have a legitimate center. But we wouldn't need a great center if we have Tyreke + Bosh.
Also, there is always the risk that Bosh will decide to leave our team this offseason as well, meaning if we trade Kmart and Hawes, we just lose two tradable pieces just to rent Bosh for half a season.
Bosh would be an amazing option for this team, but trading for him might be too risky/unrealistic.
Raptors hang up the phone laughing if our best offer is KT + Unprotected #1.
They will want JT or Kmart plus KT and Unprotected #1. OR JT + Kmart package.
Even then, he's not a Center... But I would entertain a package that got us Bosh depending on what the cost is.. Then take the remaining assets and go after a defensive center and call it a day...
They will want JT or Kmart plus KT and Unprotected #1. OR JT + Kmart package.
Even then, he's not a Center... But I would entertain a package that got us Bosh depending on what the cost is.. Then take the remaining assets and go after a defensive center and call it a day...
Everything I say is with me being under the assumption that Bosh is not going to resign with Toronto.
That being said, since he is going to leave Toronto anyways, I am not sure how much other teams would be willing to give away to get Bosh.
2nd, whoever gets him would do so likely ONLY if it were a sign and trade type deal. (is that only a baseball term, do they have this in NBA?)
3rd, the team would have to be the perfect fit for Bosh. Sacramento is a perfect fit for Bosh in regards toa team that is a player away from being really good. The pieces are in place for a long term run.
4th If you had to trade away Spencer for Bosh, who cares. With Bosh, Spencer would be relegated to 12 minutes a game.
How many legit centers are in the game today?? Howard, Kaman and who? There are others out there, but certainly nothing that would concern me with playing Bosh or JT at the 4/5 interchangeably.
So would this be something even in the cards? I think we would all agree this team is a big away from really competing again, and it is unlikely you land one of those in the draft. We need a proven big, not a draft pick and then hope and wait and see type player.
Duncan is a PF
There are few real centers IMO
That being said, since he is going to leave Toronto anyways, I am not sure how much other teams would be willing to give away to get Bosh.
2nd, whoever gets him would do so likely ONLY if it were a sign and trade type deal. (is that only a baseball term, do they have this in NBA?)
3rd, the team would have to be the perfect fit for Bosh. Sacramento is a perfect fit for Bosh in regards toa team that is a player away from being really good. The pieces are in place for a long term run.
4th If you had to trade away Spencer for Bosh, who cares. With Bosh, Spencer would be relegated to 12 minutes a game.
How many legit centers are in the game today?? Howard, Kaman and who? There are others out there, but certainly nothing that would concern me with playing Bosh or JT at the 4/5 interchangeably.
So would this be something even in the cards? I think we would all agree this team is a big away from really competing again, and it is unlikely you land one of those in the draft. We need a proven big, not a draft pick and then hope and wait and see type player.
Duncan is a PF
There are few real centers IMO
First of all, everyone who posted so far needs to work on their reading comprehension. OP asked why wouldn't Bosh SIGN with the Kings, not why don't we trade for him.
This is actually something I've been thinking a lot about. Prior to this season, the accepted reasoning around here was that we could only build through trades and the draft because no one, especially a super star, was going to willingly sign in a small market with a rebuilding team. Evans changes all that. This is no longer a rebuilding team. This is a team pushing hard for the edge of the playoffs, suddenly loaded with talent. We've got one of the best PGs in the league, one of the top scoring guards in the league, and a stable of extremely talented and versatile young players to compliment any superstar player.
At this point, signing with Sac might be from a purely basketball standpoint one of the best moves any superstar could make. LeBron has proven that you can be a global icon in a small market. Don't doubt that playing for the Kings would get him the 'King of California' label- he would be in the capital, after all
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What other team that could potentially grab a superstar has as much talent as the Kings? Miami is close. Wade is great, a notch above Evans, and after that what, Beasley? Kings have a better team top-to-bottom.
Only problem is, we would need to make some trades to get a little extra cap room. Maybe it could be done in the off-season for a trade exemption, not sure how that works. But there should be no doubt that Sacramento, one of the most talented young teams in the league, should be on the radar of any superstar looking to change teams.
This is actually something I've been thinking a lot about. Prior to this season, the accepted reasoning around here was that we could only build through trades and the draft because no one, especially a super star, was going to willingly sign in a small market with a rebuilding team. Evans changes all that. This is no longer a rebuilding team. This is a team pushing hard for the edge of the playoffs, suddenly loaded with talent. We've got one of the best PGs in the league, one of the top scoring guards in the league, and a stable of extremely talented and versatile young players to compliment any superstar player.
At this point, signing with Sac might be from a purely basketball standpoint one of the best moves any superstar could make. LeBron has proven that you can be a global icon in a small market. Don't doubt that playing for the Kings would get him the 'King of California' label- he would be in the capital, after all
.What other team that could potentially grab a superstar has as much talent as the Kings? Miami is close. Wade is great, a notch above Evans, and after that what, Beasley? Kings have a better team top-to-bottom.
Only problem is, we would need to make some trades to get a little extra cap room. Maybe it could be done in the off-season for a trade exemption, not sure how that works. But there should be no doubt that Sacramento, one of the most talented young teams in the league, should be on the radar of any superstar looking to change teams.
They could hang up the phone laughing, but come May they wont be laughing when Bosh says bye bye.
I would not make the deal if you jad to give up the other pieces that we would need to become elite again. What would the point be.
And I CONSTANTLY hear people talking about the defensive minded big we need, but who is that big?? Give me some names?????????????????????????
Only problem is, we would need to make some trades to get a little extra cap room. Maybe it could be done in the off-season for a trade exemption, not sure how that works. But there should be no doubt that Sacramento, one of the most talented young teams in the league, should be on the radar of any superstar looking to change teams.
This was my point exactly. Remember when we signed Vlade and nobody really wanted to come. Then Bam, we traded for Webber and the rest was history. This was my point about having Webber be an ambassador if a deal was in the works. Let Webber talk with Bosh and explain how that deal that brought him to Sac was the best thing that ever happened to his career.
Bosh is entering the prime years of his career. How long does he want to tinker in mediocrity playing for teams like Toronto? Doesnt that fire take over at som e point also, where money and competitiveness need to meet up? This was my point, we have the budding star in Tyreke that could be very attractive to someone like Bosh.
This was my point exactly. Remember when we signed Vlade and nobody really wanted to come. Then Bam, we traded for Webber and the rest was history. This was my point about having Webber be an ambassador if a deal was in the works. Let Webber talk with Bosh and explain how that deal that brought him to Sac was the best thing that ever happened to his career.
Bosh is entering the prime years of his career. How long does he want to tinker in mediocrity playing for teams like Toronto? Doesnt that fire take over at som e point also, where money and competitiveness need to meet up? This was my point, we have the budding star in Tyreke that could be very attractive to someone like Bosh.