Ailene Voisin: Time to blow it up and hire Jackson
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Just_Lurkin
Bench
co-signing with the people that think voison is full of caca. The maloofs have been in salary dump mode all season. There's no way they're signing a coach for 10 million a year contract. Also i think jackson's "intrigue"(if there really is any) will last about as long as it takes to get NY,LA or minny to sign him for the ammount of money he's asking for or more.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
hoopsfan said:
We know that, that's not the point. The implication had been that the maloofs are cutting back on salary to cut back on their losses after the big push in '02-03. Phil would still cost them $10 mil which they have otherwise been unwilling to spend. The onyl real difference is the luxury tax, but that's up in limbo at this point.
kennadog
Dog On It!
No it doesn't go against the salary cap, but Sacramento is no where near the money machine the Lakers are, cash flow wise. It depends on how far into the red the Maloofs want to go with this franchise (and they have been into the red during some years). That's why the payroll trend on the team has been on a downward trend since the 2002 playoffs (the peak salary year on this team)
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PixelPusher
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Ah yes, the obligatory "fire Adelman/hire (fill-in-the-blank)" Voison article after every Kings postseason exit. Yawn.
PixelPusher
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AleksandarN said:
...and don't get too exited about this part either. I'd believe he would say he was intrigued, but that's just to boost his market value as he plays all of these potential teams (Lakers, Cavs, Knicks) against each other.
Evenstar
Starter
rings baby, he's got 9 of em. kings could use that kind of championship experience at the helm. no knock on rick in any form. rick has been a great coach or this team, but i think if the opportunity to get a 9 time champion in out there, the team should go for it.
then again, this is aliene, who knows how credible this is. it was taken with a grain of salt
then again, this is aliene, who knows how credible this is. it was taken with a grain of salt
stevetaebo
Bench
and how did Aileen ever get a writing position at sacbee is beyond me???
PejaFanatic
Starter
He is too arrogant for my taste but that’s just me.
chelle
Starter
1) Hated the article. This CANNOT be overstated.
2) Coaching is the LEAST of our worries, even if it seems the quickest fix. I admit that I often find myself questioning / yelling at some of RA line-ups, but then I'm not a coach so I have that luxury. We complain when he has a short rotations and complain when he uses the bench. It is a no win situation. Personally, I say KEEP Adleman.
3) I highly doubt Phil Jackson would want to come to SAC and I am quite sure that I would prefer he not. You cannot argue tha the is a good coach. No matter the players he has had on his team, nobody is lucky enough to win 9 championships. However, I also belive that if Adleman had coached Jordan's Bulls or Shaq's Lakers, he would have a ring by now. You simply CANNOT unlink those players as the main reason those teams won.
4) There are no coaches available that I consider to be better than Adleman. In fact, there are few available OR unavailable that I consider to be as good as him. Almost any other coach would be a step down.
5) There is NO WAY our players have tuned him out. Other than Bibby, Peja, and Bjax, nobody has been on our roster longer than 2 seasons. Not enough time to tune out.
I would like to see what he could do with a healthy team that has played together for more than a season. Even in our best season (the Horry Horror), our team had really not been together that long. Since then, we have to battle freakish injuries. I hearby declare that we will have NO MORE of that. I think he can take us all the way. Just my opinion for what its worth.
2) Coaching is the LEAST of our worries, even if it seems the quickest fix. I admit that I often find myself questioning / yelling at some of RA line-ups, but then I'm not a coach so I have that luxury. We complain when he has a short rotations and complain when he uses the bench. It is a no win situation. Personally, I say KEEP Adleman.
3) I highly doubt Phil Jackson would want to come to SAC and I am quite sure that I would prefer he not. You cannot argue tha the is a good coach. No matter the players he has had on his team, nobody is lucky enough to win 9 championships. However, I also belive that if Adleman had coached Jordan's Bulls or Shaq's Lakers, he would have a ring by now. You simply CANNOT unlink those players as the main reason those teams won.
4) There are no coaches available that I consider to be better than Adleman. In fact, there are few available OR unavailable that I consider to be as good as him. Almost any other coach would be a step down.
5) There is NO WAY our players have tuned him out. Other than Bibby, Peja, and Bjax, nobody has been on our roster longer than 2 seasons. Not enough time to tune out.
I would like to see what he could do with a healthy team that has played together for more than a season. Even in our best season (the Horry Horror), our team had really not been together that long. Since then, we have to battle freakish injuries. I hearby declare that we will have NO MORE of that. I think he can take us all the way. Just my opinion for what its worth.
EmKingsFan4
Starter
My god this woman is relentless on her PJ crusade!!!
Ailene Voisin: Petrie must take his best shot at getting Jackson
By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Sports Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Thursday, May 5, 2005
Geoff Petrie needs to get well soon. And then, after regaining his health and his typical offseason stamina, the Kings' basketball president - the man known around here as "The Franchise" - has to be more audacious than ever.
Phil Jackson remains unemployed.
Make that inquiry.
Sources close to the former Lakers coach indicate that if a scheduled meeting with owner Jerry Buss does not proceed favorably, the Kings could emerge as the latest viable option for all the obvious reasons: Jackson's respect for the Maloofs. The triangle nucleus of Mike Bibby, Peja Stojakovic and Brad Miller. The Northern California location and its impassioned fan base. The challenge of winning a championship in a small market. And the brilliant basketball acumen of Petrie, who spent much of Wednesday at UC Davis Medical Center undergoing a routine cardiac procedure.
What could be the harm in lining up behind the Lakers, and perhaps the New York Knicks, ready to pounce if the former coach and his former owner refuse to share the peace pipe? Who but Petrie to channel the unbridled enthusiasm of the Maloofs, who, given their flair for all things celebrity, are already aligned as willing accomplices.
Contacting Our Friend Phil.
Should be another Petrie no-brainer.
Could be another Petrie coup.
While Rick Adelman remains under contract for another season, this is not about replacing the Kings' longtime respected coach with some NBA retread or unproven commodity; that would be unfair and even unseemly.
This is about Petrie, emerging from his comfort zone, making a very difficult decision and pursuing a superstar coach who is worth the price of admission, perhaps even his sure-to-be-outrageous salary. In lieu of landing Shaq or Kobe, this is the quickest way to position the Kings for another dramatic recovery.
Two aspirin, some restful sleep, a little tinkering - a defensive power forward and a young Doug Christie - and the Kings once again will be featured entertainment on the late-season, late-night screen. Factor Jackson into the equation, and the ratings soar.
The screeching finale against the Seattle SuperSonics virtually cries out for a jolt of java, though preferably not from any of Howard Schultz's Starbucks. Let's face it. Expectations are heightened. The locals are restless. One can only absorb so many crunching seventh-game defeats and overlook those chronic defensive deficiencies for so long.
Sometimes a change of philosophy is warranted, particularly when someone with the Zen Master's pedigree is sitting around, legs crossed, pondering all coaching possibilities into the wee hours.
Besides. There is an arena to be built.
Time to pour the foundation.
That upcoming Buss-Jackson meeting? Who knows what happens? Egos clash. Resentments linger. Kobe re-signs and remains. Being a backup candidate isn't such a bad thing.
While this is an unenviable situation for Petrie, who pressed the Maloofs to pick up Adelman's option at midseason, this is also a business. The franchise comes before friendship. Though Petrie did not anticipate a coaching change, Jackson's availability - coupled with the sentiment within the Maloof family - completely alters the dynamic.
Until Jackson slams the door in his face, the normally reserved, reflective Petrie should continue pounding away. Realistically, of course, Jackson's salary demands may be prohibitive; his reported $10 million asking price seems untenable for any small-market franchise, particularly one that toils in an ancient facility that lacks the revenue streams generated by the modern buildings.
Yet who thought Shaq would ever leave L.A., that Larry Brown would coach the Detroit Pistons, that Rick Carlisle would coax/cajole/push the overachieving Indiana Pacers into a potentially clinching game against the Boston Celtics? Who thought Petrie could ever unload a hobbled Chris Webber and his $62 million contract?
Here's the problem, though: For all his innumerable strengths, among them an unwavering commitment to the organization and his adopted community, Petrie can be blinded by loyalty to his coaches. The perception persists that he resigned from the Portland Trail Blazers in 1994 because owner Paul Allen fired Adelman as coach; Petrie insists he quit because of a conflict with Brad Greenberg, a former Blazers basketball executive who was subsequently dismissed.
More recently, Petrie strenuously resisted former Kings owner Jim Thomas' decision to fire coach Eddie Jordan, who subsequently was replaced by none other than Adelman.
So would Petrie resist? Ignore the obvious? Ignore Phil? Maybe. Maybe not. Some Kings officials suspect he would rather spend the Maloof millions on players. Others within the organization suggest he would be threatened by Jackson, who though historically distancing himself from personnel matters certainly maintained too powerful a presence for Jerry West. Dating the boss' daughter, Jeanie Buss, was too much intimacy even for the Laker legend. And while guiding the Chicago Bulls to six titles, Jackson frequently feuded with former GM Jerry Krause.
No question Phil brings baggage with those nine championship rings. Yet he has no designs on a personnel job and would immediately rejuvenate a franchise that, to be frank, is charismatically challenged.
Jackson sightings would create daily news flashes. His quips would dominate the talk shows. His coaching would make a difference. How could you not ... ? Here's to having faith in Petrie, and wishing him a hasty rehab.
Ailene Voisin: Petrie must take his best shot at getting Jackson
By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Sports Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Thursday, May 5, 2005
Geoff Petrie needs to get well soon. And then, after regaining his health and his typical offseason stamina, the Kings' basketball president - the man known around here as "The Franchise" - has to be more audacious than ever.
Phil Jackson remains unemployed.
Make that inquiry.
Sources close to the former Lakers coach indicate that if a scheduled meeting with owner Jerry Buss does not proceed favorably, the Kings could emerge as the latest viable option for all the obvious reasons: Jackson's respect for the Maloofs. The triangle nucleus of Mike Bibby, Peja Stojakovic and Brad Miller. The Northern California location and its impassioned fan base. The challenge of winning a championship in a small market. And the brilliant basketball acumen of Petrie, who spent much of Wednesday at UC Davis Medical Center undergoing a routine cardiac procedure.
What could be the harm in lining up behind the Lakers, and perhaps the New York Knicks, ready to pounce if the former coach and his former owner refuse to share the peace pipe? Who but Petrie to channel the unbridled enthusiasm of the Maloofs, who, given their flair for all things celebrity, are already aligned as willing accomplices.
Contacting Our Friend Phil.
Should be another Petrie no-brainer.
Could be another Petrie coup.
While Rick Adelman remains under contract for another season, this is not about replacing the Kings' longtime respected coach with some NBA retread or unproven commodity; that would be unfair and even unseemly.
This is about Petrie, emerging from his comfort zone, making a very difficult decision and pursuing a superstar coach who is worth the price of admission, perhaps even his sure-to-be-outrageous salary. In lieu of landing Shaq or Kobe, this is the quickest way to position the Kings for another dramatic recovery.
Two aspirin, some restful sleep, a little tinkering - a defensive power forward and a young Doug Christie - and the Kings once again will be featured entertainment on the late-season, late-night screen. Factor Jackson into the equation, and the ratings soar.
The screeching finale against the Seattle SuperSonics virtually cries out for a jolt of java, though preferably not from any of Howard Schultz's Starbucks. Let's face it. Expectations are heightened. The locals are restless. One can only absorb so many crunching seventh-game defeats and overlook those chronic defensive deficiencies for so long.
Sometimes a change of philosophy is warranted, particularly when someone with the Zen Master's pedigree is sitting around, legs crossed, pondering all coaching possibilities into the wee hours.
Besides. There is an arena to be built.
Time to pour the foundation.
That upcoming Buss-Jackson meeting? Who knows what happens? Egos clash. Resentments linger. Kobe re-signs and remains. Being a backup candidate isn't such a bad thing.
While this is an unenviable situation for Petrie, who pressed the Maloofs to pick up Adelman's option at midseason, this is also a business. The franchise comes before friendship. Though Petrie did not anticipate a coaching change, Jackson's availability - coupled with the sentiment within the Maloof family - completely alters the dynamic.
Until Jackson slams the door in his face, the normally reserved, reflective Petrie should continue pounding away. Realistically, of course, Jackson's salary demands may be prohibitive; his reported $10 million asking price seems untenable for any small-market franchise, particularly one that toils in an ancient facility that lacks the revenue streams generated by the modern buildings.
Yet who thought Shaq would ever leave L.A., that Larry Brown would coach the Detroit Pistons, that Rick Carlisle would coax/cajole/push the overachieving Indiana Pacers into a potentially clinching game against the Boston Celtics? Who thought Petrie could ever unload a hobbled Chris Webber and his $62 million contract?
Here's the problem, though: For all his innumerable strengths, among them an unwavering commitment to the organization and his adopted community, Petrie can be blinded by loyalty to his coaches. The perception persists that he resigned from the Portland Trail Blazers in 1994 because owner Paul Allen fired Adelman as coach; Petrie insists he quit because of a conflict with Brad Greenberg, a former Blazers basketball executive who was subsequently dismissed.
More recently, Petrie strenuously resisted former Kings owner Jim Thomas' decision to fire coach Eddie Jordan, who subsequently was replaced by none other than Adelman.
So would Petrie resist? Ignore the obvious? Ignore Phil? Maybe. Maybe not. Some Kings officials suspect he would rather spend the Maloof millions on players. Others within the organization suggest he would be threatened by Jackson, who though historically distancing himself from personnel matters certainly maintained too powerful a presence for Jerry West. Dating the boss' daughter, Jeanie Buss, was too much intimacy even for the Laker legend. And while guiding the Chicago Bulls to six titles, Jackson frequently feuded with former GM Jerry Krause.
No question Phil brings baggage with those nine championship rings. Yet he has no designs on a personnel job and would immediately rejuvenate a franchise that, to be frank, is charismatically challenged.
Jackson sightings would create daily news flashes. His quips would dominate the talk shows. His coaching would make a difference. How could you not ... ? Here's to having faith in Petrie, and wishing him a hasty rehab.
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EmKingsFan4
Starter
Voisin should be limited to only one blatant fire Adelman article per week...her agenda is sooo obvious here. It's too bad that most Sac fans are way to smart to jump on her bandwagon and realize that she has no idea what she is talking about.
EmKingsFan4 said:
An agenda? Perhaps watching every game, being employed as a sportswriter, researching the team, and interviewing players has given her some entra insight that we as fans don't possess. I personally don't think Phil Jackson would ever come here, but at the same time there has to be some accountability for the playoff failures of this team over the last half-decade.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Joker112 said:
No, its an agenda. Has been for some time. And she's not subtle, so its nto like you ever have to wonder what it is.
mr. moustache
Bench
I agree. 2002, we lose to the champs. 2003, lose our star, lose to Mavs, probably the 3rd or 2nd best team in the league. 2004, lose to Wolves, the 3rd best team in the league. 2005, lose to Sonics.. We'll see where they end up.
This team hasn't been a failure.
This team hasn't been a failure.
You want a summary of what all this really means?
That's what it's all about, folks. Voisin and some of her cronies don't give a rat's patoot about the Kings or their fans. They don't care about the special relationship that has existed since day one between the guys on the court and all of us on the outside looking in.
All AV and her hit squad care about is publicity. It's all about exposure.
Why?
Well, doh!
More exposure for the team means more exposure for the local columnists whose witticisms will be passed around.
Ailene Voisin is tooting her own horn, promoting her own agenda. It would be acceptable if it was at least in small part about the team and the loyal fans...it's not. It's about the bling and the bright lights.
Whatever, Ms. Voisin. The team and the fans were here before you and, quite frankly, I think they'll be here long after you've gone. May I help you pack?
AV said:
That's what it's all about, folks. Voisin and some of her cronies don't give a rat's patoot about the Kings or their fans. They don't care about the special relationship that has existed since day one between the guys on the court and all of us on the outside looking in.
All AV and her hit squad care about is publicity. It's all about exposure.
Why?
Well, doh!
More exposure for the team means more exposure for the local columnists whose witticisms will be passed around.
Ailene Voisin is tooting her own horn, promoting her own agenda. It would be acceptable if it was at least in small part about the team and the loyal fans...it's not. It's about the bling and the bright lights.
Whatever, Ms. Voisin. The team and the fans were here before you and, quite frankly, I think they'll be here long after you've gone. May I help you pack?
KP
Starter
Look way to many people voted for Jackson in the poll as it is... I can't understand how any Kings fan would want the guy that insulted your team, your city and basically all of you, and then gloated about it when the refs helped him win a series. Jackson is the enemy! He always will and always should be! How or why any Kingsfan would want him as the coach of the team is beyond me. AV aka Howard Stern has always hated adelman and called for his job at the end of each of the last 3 seasons, as a result Adelman will no longer even speak to her during press conferences, think she might have an agenda?? Uhh...Duuhhh... maybe.
ultraman206
G-League
I don't understand why so many of you take it so personally into Jackson being the "enemy" and that he insulted the team, the city, the fans, the blah blah blah. If I remeber correctly... didn't Webber, more or less, felt and acted the same way after being traded to sacramento back in '98? And yet we all grew to love him because he made us a winner. In the end it is all just a business to Joe and Galvin. And Joe and Galvin are smart businessmen who will do what they think is best to make their business a winner - a championship.
ultraman206 - Sorry, but I didn't "come to love" Webber because he made us a winner. It was NEVER about the winning so much as it was about the camraderie, the TEAM play, the fun on the court, and the atmosphere at Arco. It was AND is about those things MUCH MORE than about winning. Granted, the winning was and is wonderful and I like rooting for a winning team but it's not the only thing that matters.
If you have to sacrifice everything you believe in to get a prize, you really have to wonder if it just wasn't about the prize alone all the time.
For me, the prize won't be worth having if you have to sell your soul to get it.
Phil Jackson isn't what the franchise, the team, the players OR the fans need, no matter how much Ailene Voisin may try to convince her readers that it is.
If you remember correctly, while Webber may have made a few statements AT THE VERY BEGINNING, he more than made up for them during his time here. And his initial comments were more out of hurt of how he was traded here than anything else.
I'm sorry you think it's JUST a business to Joe and Gavin. (GAVIN, btw, not GALVIN.) It's a business but it's a lot more to them and they make it obvious every time they attend a game. If you haven't noticed the overwhelming excitement Gavin shows on a continual basis, you're really missing something.
Phil Jackson is not going to come to Sacramento to coach for a variety of reasons, IMHO. Primarily, though, he doesn't like the town. He doesn't like the area. He needs the bright lights of the big city and his comments about Sacramento being nothing but a cow-town weren't just insults to rile the fans. It's what he actually thinks - and it's fairly obvious.
In all honesty, I really expect Jerry Buss to issue an announcement shortly that PJ has signed a new contract with the former LA Kobes. The experiment with Mr. Bryant failed miserably. They need a STRONG personality to keep Kobe in check and the ONLY coach around right now capable of doing it is Jackson. He'll be back in LA, and the Lakers will again be a contending team with a no longer recalcitrant Kobe either playing the game the way PJ wants or spending a lot of unhappy but profitable time holding down a seat on the Laker bench.
If you have to sacrifice everything you believe in to get a prize, you really have to wonder if it just wasn't about the prize alone all the time.
For me, the prize won't be worth having if you have to sell your soul to get it.
Phil Jackson isn't what the franchise, the team, the players OR the fans need, no matter how much Ailene Voisin may try to convince her readers that it is.
If you remember correctly, while Webber may have made a few statements AT THE VERY BEGINNING, he more than made up for them during his time here. And his initial comments were more out of hurt of how he was traded here than anything else.
I'm sorry you think it's JUST a business to Joe and Gavin. (GAVIN, btw, not GALVIN.) It's a business but it's a lot more to them and they make it obvious every time they attend a game. If you haven't noticed the overwhelming excitement Gavin shows on a continual basis, you're really missing something.
Phil Jackson is not going to come to Sacramento to coach for a variety of reasons, IMHO. Primarily, though, he doesn't like the town. He doesn't like the area. He needs the bright lights of the big city and his comments about Sacramento being nothing but a cow-town weren't just insults to rile the fans. It's what he actually thinks - and it's fairly obvious.
In all honesty, I really expect Jerry Buss to issue an announcement shortly that PJ has signed a new contract with the former LA Kobes. The experiment with Mr. Bryant failed miserably. They need a STRONG personality to keep Kobe in check and the ONLY coach around right now capable of doing it is Jackson. He'll be back in LA, and the Lakers will again be a contending team with a no longer recalcitrant Kobe either playing the game the way PJ wants or spending a lot of unhappy but profitable time holding down a seat on the Laker bench.
kennadog
Dog On It!
I can't believe she wrote ANOTHER article about this!!!!! I thought it was just silly fun to talk about it, because of the article. I don't really believe PJ is going to come to Sacramento. If he even mentions it, it will only be to try and get a jacked up salary from wherever he really wants to go (negotiating ploy).
I loved Webber for the same reasons as you VF21. Because he was part of a whole that was special in their unselfishness and the love and respect they had for each other. They were also a joy to watch play, championship or no.
I detest Shaq too. I probably would have had a love/hate mental breakdown if he had come to Sacto instead of Miami (not that it would ever have happened either).
I loved Webber for the same reasons as you VF21. Because he was part of a whole that was special in their unselfishness and the love and respect they had for each other. They were also a joy to watch play, championship or no.
I detest Shaq too. I probably would have had a love/hate mental breakdown if he had come to Sacto instead of Miami (not that it would ever have happened either).
El Duque
G-League
I'm real sorry that Ailene isn't good enough to write for the LA Times (maybe she's just not a communist? 
) or the NY Times (" ") but that doesn't mean Phil Jackson could do anything with this team. I'm sorry, but 9 championships ring hollow to me when the names involved include not just one but FOUR absolute shoe-ins for the Hall of Fame (Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, Shaq), another potential, likely HOF'er in Dennis Rodman, one of the greatest offensive innovators of all time in Tex Winters, an incredible group of supporting players (Horace Grant, Toni Kukoc, Scott Williams, B.J. Armstrong, Robert Horry, and I know I'm forgetting quite a few), responsive ownership, and very good personnel departments (Krause was one hell of an idiot when it came to contracts and chemistry, but he damn sure knew talent. Pippen was seen a bit player by almost everybody, Horace Grant wasn't considered a real talent, etc. and of course, Jerry West is a very, very good GM). We've got a world class GM in Petrie, and good supporting players. That is not really Jackson's modus operandi. I don't think he could do any better, and in fact I can imagine him doing worse, than Adelman.
) or the NY Times (" ") but that doesn't mean Phil Jackson could do anything with this team. I'm sorry, but 9 championships ring hollow to me when the names involved include not just one but FOUR absolute shoe-ins for the Hall of Fame (Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, Shaq), another potential, likely HOF'er in Dennis Rodman, one of the greatest offensive innovators of all time in Tex Winters, an incredible group of supporting players (Horace Grant, Toni Kukoc, Scott Williams, B.J. Armstrong, Robert Horry, and I know I'm forgetting quite a few), responsive ownership, and very good personnel departments (Krause was one hell of an idiot when it came to contracts and chemistry, but he damn sure knew talent. Pippen was seen a bit player by almost everybody, Horace Grant wasn't considered a real talent, etc. and of course, Jerry West is a very, very good GM). We've got a world class GM in Petrie, and good supporting players. That is not really Jackson's modus operandi. I don't think he could do any better, and in fact I can imagine him doing worse, than Adelman.ultraman206
G-League
I fully agree that Phil has no intentions of going to Sac and that he will be the head coach for LA next season.VF21 said:
I think to the Maloofs it IS a business. They even said so themselves in a couple interviews if I recall. Mind you they are not careless or low class owners (aka Donald Sterling) or anything; but they will do what is in their businesses' best interests first and not necessarily the fans' or city's. My example would be what happened to Vlade. If they truely care about the fans; they could've tried a little harder and shell out that extra mil or two to keep Divac. But instead it wasn't "business wise" to spend the extra money. With Jackson, I think if the opportunity is there and everything can be worked out number wise; Joe and Gavin would not hesitate one iotta to hire him. Somehow I don't think "oooh, Phil is a jerk, he seriously dogged us dude; we shouldn't hire him even if he begs and coach for free" is on Joe or Gavin's mind given the chance to have a 9 ring coaching legend be a part of their business. Anyways, this thread is about Ailene Voisin's article and what ppl think about it. I think it sucks donkey.
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