Ailene Voisin: Time to blow it up and hire Jackson

[DocHolliday]

You do realize that Miller is one of our three best players and had 11 assists right? He was setting good picks for Bibby in the high post and had the ability to knock down the open jumper and stretch the defense. You have to go with your best players in the end. Mike, Peja, and Brad had to ride this one out to the end. It was the right call. The Kings best shot at winning last night was with offense, not defense. That's the way the team had been all year. In this year of inconsistency, if there was one thing consistent about it's identity it's that they're an offensive team.

He is one of our good players when he's healthy. His leg was tired. I speaking specifically in the last half of the fourth. He had no lift in his legs, therefore doing nothing for us in the form of rebounds. He could not reach over the other guys, and when he did get his hands on the ball he bobbled it and could not control it. We gave away 3 or 4 fouls during that period, and that sequence is EXACTLY why we lost the game.

 

[Team Dime]

He is one of our good players when he's healthy. His leg was tired. I speaking specifically in the last half of the fourth. He had no lift in his legs, therefore doing nothing for us in the form of rebounds. He could not reach over the other guys, and when he did get his hands on the ball he bobbled it and could not control it. We gave away 3 or 4 fouls during that period, and that sequence is EXACTLY why we lost the game.

I'll agree that Tag or even Skinner could've been used at some points to try to get more board and spell Brad. But with the season on the line, you still have to guy with your best guys. Brad was needed in the high post offense with Bibby. Remember Bibby's critics saying how he struggled without Webb in the playoffs? That was mostly because of the high post, where Brad kept doing an excellent job right to the end. Brad also made a few big drives to the basket to get to the line in the 4th.

This was an offensive team to the end, that's how they were going to win, not by putting Tag in with under 5 min left in the 4th.

 

[DocHolliday]

At the end what we needed wasn't more offense, althought one or two more buckets wouldn't have hurt. What specifically killed us was those 6-8 or however many points it was we gave up in free throws. We needed a few clean rebounds that would give us a few more offensive possessions, and keep Seattle off of the foul line.

 

[quick dog]

While I agree that Phil would never coach the Kings...to say you "would not watch a Kings game if Jackson were coach" doesn't really ring true to me. After the Webber trade I got on here just to read, and this is what I saw..."I will never watch another Kings game", I will never give the Maloofs another dollar of my money", I won't spend anymore money on Kings merchandise", "this is the worst trade EVER in the NBA"....winning cures a lot, and Phil is a winner whether you like him or not. I never liked Phil or Shaq long before they went to the Lakers, but I certainly supported them while they were there.

I'm not the average sports fan. I have not watched MLB since the players went on strike in 1985. I have not watched the NFL since the Los Angeles Rams moved to St Louis. Things just get under my skin and I make firm choices. I really dislike Phil Jackson. I was curious about the Webber trade and initially disappointed by the Christie trade. Phil Jackson is beyond my scope of understanding and acceptance.

 

[kennadog]

I’m not a fan of Phil Jackson and resented his comments about the Kings and Sacramento. However, I also know the things he said were mostly mind games. Still don't kow that I like it.

I love what Adelman has done for this franchise. Always will. But I don’t see how the Maloofs and Petrie could not be at least thinking about whether they could get a 9 ring coach. That kind of opportunity doesn’t come up every year. It does seem unlikely to me for two reasons: 1) he has picked teams with potential superstars (Jordan, Shaq and Kobe were not superstars when PJ became coach, but potential was apparent); 2) its hard to imagine him not wanting to be in a big market city, it seems his style.

As to the first, we all agree that Petrie will make roster moves this summer. If they talk to PJ he might be intrigued with what Petrie hopes to bring to this team. For all I know, PJ might see superstar potential in either Peja and/or Bibby and thinks he could coach them to that level.

As to the second…well if he doesn’t take a job with the Lakers, he could still be a short flight away from Jeannie Buss.

 

[Bad Boy Bo]

I like Adelman, I like what he has done for the team. Phil Jackson? Great coach, but personally I don't think he fits in with the type of talent the roster of the Kings is. Therer is only one coach that I would take over Adelman and that's Rick Carliste. But you know, we talk about moving players here and there, and trying to get these other players in, and when they leave, we realize how much they meant to the franchise. If Adelman must go though, I just don't think Jackson is the answer.

 

[kennadog]

I like Carlisle a lot too, but not very likely to be available. I'm not sure PJ's a good fit either, but I would think the Maloofs would have to be considering it.

 

[Team Dime]

I'm not the average sports fan. I have not watched MLB since the players went on strike in 1985. I have not watched the NFL since the Los Angeles Rams moved to St Louis. Things just get under my skin and I make firm choices. I really dislike Phil Jackson. I was curious about the Webber trade and initially disappointed by the Christie trade. Phil Jackson is beyond my scope of understanding and acceptance.

So what you're implying is that you'd stop watching the Kings if they hired Phil?


How would you feel if they hired Phil and won the title? I think the goal is to win at all costs. It's a bottom line business in pro sports and nice guys finish last.

 

[Team Dime]

I’m not a fan of Phil Jackson and resented his comments about the Kings and Sacramento. However, I also know the things he said were mostly mind games. Still don't kow that I like it.

I love what Adelman has done for this franchise. Always will. But I don’t see how the Maloofs and Petrie could not be at least thinking about whether they could get a 9 ring coach. That kind of opportunity doesn’t come up every year. It does seem unlikely to me for two reasons: 1) he has picked teams with potential superstars (Jordan, Shaq and Kobe were not superstars when PJ became coach, but potential was apparent); 2) its hard to imagine him not wanting to be in a big market city, it seems his style.

As to the first, we all agree that Petrie will make roster moves this summer. If they talk to PJ he might be intrigued with what Petrie hopes to bring to this team. For all I know, PJ might see superstar potential in either Peja and/or Bibby and thinks he could coach them to that level.

As to the second…well if he doesn’t take a job with the Lakers, he could still be a short flight away from Jeannie Buss.

As to what Phil said about Sactown, he was doing what great coaches do; anything to give his team an edge. All the great ones do it. He's said alot worse things about Kobe, but supposedly he might even consider going back there if the $ is right.


As to this talk of Rick Carlisle....... Rick Carlisle.... Phil Jackson.....


I don't think there's that much of a comparison.

 

[mr. moustache]

At the end what we needed wasn't more offense, althought one or two more buckets wouldn't have hurt. What specifically killed us was those 6-8 or however many points it was we gave up in free throws. We needed a few clean rebounds that would give us a few more offensive possessions, and keep Seattle off of the foul line.

O-Tag and Skinner as savior is delusional

I like Rick as a coach. That said, Phil Jackson is possibly the best coach of all time. If you can make a play at him I say do it. I don't think you fire Rick and hire someone like Flip though.

I'd love to see us get a defensive big man, and a defensive small man. I can handle having 3/5 be offense, not 5/5

 

[kennadog]

As to what Phil said about Sactown, he was doing what great coaches do; anything to give his team an edge.
As to this talk of Rick Carlisle....... Rick Carlisle.... Phil Jackson.....
I don't think there's that much of a comparison.

Yep, that's why I don't really hold anything against PJ. Just pi**ed me of at the time, which was his intent. I don't think there's any coach out there that you can compare to PJ right now. His accomplishments speak for themselves, no matter what anyone thinks of his personality or style.

 

[Bricklayer]

PJ can't win anything without the players. And we don't have them.


Fix the ****ing team first Geoff. Then we can worry about selling out.

But I won't pay Phil Jackson's salary, he's in as coach, my season tickets will be sold to somebody. Maybe a good Laker fan to razz him from the stands.

 

[kennadog]

But I won't pay Phil Jackson's salary,....

I think that will be the deal killer if its even considered.

 

[swisshh]

Phil Jackson is horribly overrated. You see him try to coach his last year with the Lakers? Yeah, pathetic. He can't do anything with a team that doesn't have a talent monopoly on the league.

 

[Team Dime]

PJ can't win anything without the players. And we don't have them.


Fix the ****ing team first Geoff. Then we can worry about selling out.

But I won't pay Phil Jackson's salary, he's in as coach, my season tickets will be sold to somebody. Maybe a good Laker fan to razz him from the stands.

What other team in the running for PJ has more talent than the Kings?

 

[Team Dime]

Phil Jackson is horribly overrated. You see him try to coach his last year with the Lakers? Yeah, pathetic. He can't do anything with a team that doesn't have a talent monopoly on the league.

Yea, he only has 9 titles!

Don't forget MJ, Shaq, and Kobe have never won a title without PJ!

 

[Bricklayer]

Yea, he only has 9 titles!

Don't forget MJ, Shaq, and Kobe have never won a title without PJ!

And he's never won a title without them. And without them at 100% at that.

 

[Joker112]

I doubt that Phil Jackson would come here at all, but if Adelman gets fired then look for it to happen quickly. The Maloofs and Petrie are first class and would try to pave the way for Adelman to have other opportunities. With that said, there was speculation when Maurice Cheeks was fired that Adelman could return to Portland if he was let go this after this season by the Kings. He did get a one year extension but that is hardly a vote of confidence.

 

[Joker112]

Phil Jackson is horribly overrated. You see him try to coach his last year with the Lakers? Yeah, pathetic. He can't do anything with a team that doesn't have a talent monopoly on the league.

I know it's been a whole year since last year's finals, but the Lakers were there weren't they? (I can't believe I am sticking up for the Lakers, but that statement was ridiculous).

 

[Team Dime]

And he's never won a title without them. And without them at 100% at that.

He's a much better coach than Adelman. Sorry, but in the end the only things that matters is the scoreboard: 9 rings. I don't care that he had MJ, Scottie, Kobe, and Shaq. He was the only won able to win titles with those teams, no one else did.

He's one of the best coaches ever. He's a definate improvment over RA.

 

[Bricklayer]

What other team in the running for PJ has more talent than the Kings?

There are numerous factors to consider with Phil;

1) superstars. He needs them. More thena one preferably. But at least the best int he game or close to it. Cleveland, L.A. and Minnesota can both offer 1. None of the suitors can potentially offer 2 ( unless the Rockets get bounced and JVG gets fired). We have zero.

2) the cities. for all of the Montana B.S., Phil Jackson is a big city guy. New York as a player. Chiacgo and L.A. as a coach. Those are the three biggest cities in the U.S. Bright lights big city and lots and lots of press. Appropriate for an egomaniac. New York makes the most sense by FAR from this perspective.

3) money. Phil has been rumored to be looking for $10 million a year. A ridiculous sum, and one that I would much rather see being spent on players. Again N.Y. could actually spend this sort of cash on him, but their player situation just sucks.

4) need to have his ego stroked. There wouold be no more dicey situation in the NBA for him to come to than Sacramento. I've never booed a King in my life. I would boo PJ. Heartily.

 

[Padrino]

i think its quite ludicrous for anybody to be saying they would stop wacthing the kings, sell season tickets, etc, if phil jackson came on as coach. thats not to say that i think he should come here or not, but come on, people. a lot of you really need tog et past this whole laker-hatred bull****. phil jackson is a good coach (regardless of what you think of his talented teams), and there are a lack of good coaches in the market. i do not believe the maloofs should fire rick adelman just to bring phil jackson in. thats not right, and i dont think it will happen, cuz its not the way the maloofs operate. had the maloofs not picked up adelman's option, than i would say, sure, pursue jackson, but keep your options open. with this kings team in such a rabid state of disarray, it'd take more than a miracle *cough kevingarnett cough* to make this team a title contender next season, so the head coach is really not the issue. GP should get his team whole again before anybody starts talking about coaching.

 

[Team Dime]

i think its quite ludicrous for anybody to be saying they would stop wacthing the kings, sell season tickets, etc, if phil jackson came on as coach. thats not to say that i think he should come here or not, but come on, people. a lot of you really need tog et past this whole laker-hatred bull****. phil jackson is a good coach (regardless of what you think of his talented teams), and there are a lack of good coaches in the market. i do not believe the maloofs should fire rick adelman just to bring phil jackson in. thats not right, and i dont think it will happen, cuz its not the way the maloofs operate. had the maloofs not picked up adelman's option, than i would say, sure, pursue jackson, but keep your options open. with this kings team in such a rabid state of disarray, it'd take more than a miracle *cough kevingarnett cough* to make this team a title contender next season, so the head coach is really not the issue. GP should get his team whole again before anybody starts talking about coaching.

It's be nice to get a big name... KG, Lebron.. PJ.... Let's work some magic Petrie!

 

[swisshh]

He's a much better coach than Adelman. Sorry, but in the end the only things that matters is the scoreboard: 9 rings. I don't care that he had MJ, Scottie, Kobe, and Shaq. He was the only won able to win titles with those teams, no one else did.

He's one of the best coaches ever. He's a definate improvment over RA.

No, he's not. He would not succeed here and I'm sure he knows that. Without the superstars and big city to get the attention and more importantly calls from the officials, he would be left to actually having to coach. What Phil does is bring in players he know will fill the roles he needs. He is good at dealing with the role players and getting production from them. Otherwise I don't like him much as a coach. He relies on top tier superstars which the Kings don't have and the backing of NBA officials. His teams have always been full of hackers. He gets rings because he takes over teams that have already been built, he plays a role in the great big NBA production. That's it. That role is not here for him in Sacramento. The team is not built, the Stern love is not here.

 

[Padrino]

It's be nice to get a big name... KG, Lebron.. PJ.... Let's work some magic Petrie!

well...think about it. i dont care what webber-haters say, webber, when he was healthy, was a superstar while with the kings, capable of putting up 25 10 and 5 any given night. we were this close *places thumb and index finger about a centimeter apart* from getting to the nba finals in '01-'02. since webber's injuries, and his trade, the kings have not been the same team. they have lacked that impact player who is capable of taking over a game. kevin garnett is the ideal fit for the kings, though its next to impossible that we would acquire him through any means. he and webber, in their respective primes, put up the same numbers and are capable of doing the same things. KG would give us back that impact player on offense, give hope to us in the rebounding department, and add a defensive presence in the post. he's also a good passer, not of divac, webber, or even b-miller caliber, but good enough to fit into our system and adapt. a starting 5 of bibby, insert just about any average shooting guard here, peja stojakovic, kevin garnett, and brad miller would be just plain unstoppable. again, just a pipe dream, but my point is that i would expect the kings front office to be shopping around for an impact player (or as close to an impact player as ya can get) at the 4 spot.

 

[ahneill]

chemistry...

looking forward to this coaching staff getting a chance to take most of the current players and a few additions from this Oct. to the end of the season next year, I don't know what you can expect with a team being thrown together (read Miller and BJax) just for the playoffs. No matter who was on the team, the lack of opportunity to build team chemistry hurt the most, and this proven coaching staff should get a chance to show us what kind of chemistry they can get from this group...

 

[ultraman206]

Phil is not coming to sacto simply because with our current roster we can not get him his 10th (11th and 12th) ring. He has a reputation to uphold people!

now if somehow we can get get Phil + KG or LBJ or VC or TD or... *smack* oh I just woke up.

 

[stevetaebo]

aileen is incompetent. maloofs arent gonna give phil his 10million/yr deal he's seeking

 

[loopymitch]

I would love to see Phil here. he knows how to win chanpionships and that's what we all want. I hate the Lakers but I always admired him as a coach. Do I think he'll come here no but if they're going to replace RA then PJ gets my vote. If we had him we could attract better players and make them superstars. I don't know if he's the greatest coach of all time but you can't argue with success and all the championships he's won.

 

[Bricklayer]

but you can't argue with success and all the championships he's won.

Actually I can. He's a very good coach. But here's the thing, how many titles do you think Pat Riley would have won with those teams Phil had? How about Larry Brown, Jerry Sloan, Rick Adelman? Do not know whether they would have won 9. But I can flat out guarantee you it wouldn't have been zero either. Phil has parachuted into dream situations as a coach. He was made into a legend by coaching legendary players. Put him on the Clippers and he has zero titles. Put him on the Kings these last 5-6 years, and I'm still not sure he has one (given that our best teams were scuttled by injury).