Ailene Voisin: Put a cork in all that postgame whining

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Ailene Voisin: Put a cork in all that postgame whining


By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Friday, February 11, 2005



Please, not again. The whining. The crying. The persecution complex. There hasn't been this much ref-bashing since the Kings returned from that infamous Game 6 in Los Angeles in 2002. And while that long ago, far away fourth-quarter debacle featured some of the worst officiating in recent playoff history - the opinion of numerous NBA coaches as well as the consensus of the national media - the Kings have had plenty of time to figure it all out.

They can vent all they want and still gain nothing, except, perhaps, the furtherance of a less-than-flattering reputation.

This latest outpouring of angst and alienation, a reaction to the last-second sequence in Tuesday's excruciating loss to the Phoenix Suns, is like the recurrence of a pre-existing condition. Just when it appeared those Kings were history - chief culprit Vlade Divac having flown south - the pattern re-emerges.

The tendency is to blame the guys with the whistles for everything from missed free throws and botched layups to cold pizza and stale beer. Old players leave, new players arrive, yet the message remains on point: (1) the refs cost us a game and/or (2) the refs refuse to show any respect by failing to engage in a healthy discussion after the fact, thereby justifying the tossing of sweatbands, the berating of officials and finally, the lengthy postgame diatribe about the enduring evils of the animal (zebra) empire.

So what's the point? Who wins here? Certainly not the Kings.

Brad Miller, who has emerged as a Vlade Lite with his creative passing and Vlade Loud with his chronic complaining, is suspended for a game. Mike Bibby, Chris Webber and Cuttino Mobley are fined. Geoff Petrie spends his afternoon in damage control. And the Kings again allow themselves to be distracted, this time during a pre-All-Star stretch they themselves suggested will reveal much about their character.

Guess they might want to hold off on that judgment for a while.

"We just have to really work to be better at controlling our emotions," Petrie said Thursday. "You have to exercise restraint. It doesn't help that Brad's not playing (against Seattle). You have to be willing to accept at times ... there is always human frailty."

Petrie, by the way, remains convinced that Miller was victimized twice, that the 7-foot center was fouled by Shawn Marion and his layup illegally obstructed by Amare Stoudemire. Yet unlike the barrage of questionable calls in that Game 6 at Staples Center, this was an isolated incident, a bang-bang sequence too close to contest even for most media members seated at the press table. The initial replays hinted at a clean block. And hinted equally at a goaltend. According to Petrie, a more precise review suggested otherwise; given his characteristic candor, his assessment could very well be correct.

In an ideal NBA world, the game would have been decided in overtime. In the alternative, the Kings should have been allowed to express a reasonable measure of healthy outrage. The refs can shoot airballs, too.

But there is a significant difference between a major league pout and a full-blown temper tantrum, and Tuesday night, the Kings should have hollered out and then dropped the issue. There was absolutely no official recourse available. The final play is reviewable only if a foul is called or the clock is at issue on a made field goal, according to NBA vice president Stu Jackson.

Jackson said the present referees' regime is also intent on improving communication with players and coaches - hence the decision last year to replace former supervisor Ed Rush with Ronnie Nunn.

"Contrary to what Cuttino says," added Jackson, "our officials are held accountable, and I feel very strongly that as long as a response is delivered efficiently and during an appropriate time, such as a dead-ball situation, we encourage our referees to engage the players and coaches. But this is not a license to speak to a referee continually during a game."

Additionally, referees are required to break down the film after each game, evaluating frame by frame, and immediately submit written and video reports to the league office. League-appointed observers also attend all games and file their own critique.

Yet rather than explanations, fines or suspensions, the Kings might benefit most from a little revisionist history: After they lost that Game 6, they obsessed over the officiating, their frustration still palpable 48 hours later. Instead of channeling their anger in a positive, aggressive manner, they were on the defensive for Game 7, their concentration faltering when needed most.

The four consecutive missed free throws in the first quarter. The momentum-altering defensive rebound in the second. The airballs at the end.

Please, not again.

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I actually agree with what she says. We should have had Brad last night but we did not because of actions of game earlier.
 
AleksandarN said:
I actually agree with what she says. We should have had Brad last night but we did not because of actions of game earlier.

But we didn't lose the game because we didnt have Brad Miller. We had a chance to win that game and we should of.
 
BigWaxer said:
But we didn't lose the game because we didnt have Brad Miller. We had a chance to win that game and we should of.

Brad would have certainly helped with the rebounding disaster down the stretch.

And you know what? I actually agree wih Ailene basic point too. Going into serious emotional meltdown over the refs lacks focus.
 
"Contrary to what Cuttino says," added Jackson, "our officials are held accountable, and I feel very strongly that as long as a response is delivered efficiently and during an appropriate time, such as a dead-ball situation, we encourage our referees to engage the players and coaches. But this is not a license to speak to a referee continually during a game."

Uh, what?

I'd sure like to hear Jackson's comments on Joe Crawford.

The Kings may have raised a ruckus but at what point do you simply get to the point where enough is enough? IMHO when the officials make it more about themselves than about the game and the players, something needs to be done.

At the least there should have been a conference among the officials on the last play. There wasn't; they ran like frightened little mice.

Shame on them.
 
^ive been saying it for years but Joey Crawford thinks the fans come to the games to see him give people T's, throw people out of the game and blow his whistle...NEGATIVE!
 
Twix said:
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Ailene Voisin: Put a cork in all that postgame whining


By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PST Friday, February 11, 2005

Please, not again. The whining. The crying. The persecution complex. There hasn't been this much ref-bashing since the Kings returned from that infamous Game 6 in Los Angeles in 2002. And while that long ago, far away fourth-quarter debacle featured some of the worst officiating in recent playoff history - the opinion of numerous NBA coaches as well as the consensus of the national media - the Kings have had plenty of time to figure it all out.

They can vent all they want and still gain nothing, except, perhaps, the furtherance of a less-than-flattering reputation.

This latest outpouring of angst and alienation, a reaction to the last-second sequence in Tuesday's excruciating loss to the Phoenix Suns, is like the recurrence of a pre-existing condition. Just when it appeared those Kings were history - chief culprit Vlade Divac having flown south - the pattern re-emerges.

The tendency is to blame the guys with the whistles for everything from missed free throws and botched layups to cold pizza and stale beer. Old players leave, new players arrive, yet the message remains on point: (1) the refs cost us a game and/or (2) the refs refuse to show any respect by failing to engage in a healthy discussion after the fact, thereby justifying the tossing of sweatbands, the berating of officials and finally, the lengthy postgame diatribe about the enduring evils of the animal (zebra) empire.

So what's the point? Who wins here? Certainly not the Kings.

Brad Miller, who has emerged as a Vlade Lite with his creative passing and Vlade Loud with his chronic complaining, is suspended for a game. Mike Bibby, Chris Webber and Cuttino Mobley are fined. Geoff Petrie spends his afternoon in damage control. And the Kings again allow themselves to be distracted, this time during a pre-All-Star stretch they themselves suggested will reveal much about their character.

Guess they might want to hold off on that judgment for a while.

"We just have to really work to be better at controlling our emotions," Petrie said Thursday. "You have to exercise restraint. It doesn't help that Brad's not playing (against Seattle). You have to be willing to accept at times ... there is always human frailty."

Petrie, by the way, remains convinced that Miller was victimized twice, that the 7-foot center was fouled by Shawn Marion and his layup illegally obstructed by Amare Stoudemire. Yet unlike the barrage of questionable calls in that Game 6 at Staples Center, this was an isolated incident, a bang-bang sequence too close to contest even for most media members seated at the press table. The initial replays hinted at a clean block. And hinted equally at a goaltend. According to Petrie, a more precise review suggested otherwise; given his characteristic candor, his assessment could very well be correct.

In an ideal NBA world, the game would have been decided in overtime. In the alternative, the Kings should have been allowed to express a reasonable measure of healthy outrage. The refs can shoot airballs, too.

But there is a significant difference between a major league pout and a full-blown temper tantrum, and Tuesday night, the Kings should have hollered out and then dropped the issue. There was absolutely no official recourse available. The final play is reviewable only if a foul is called or the clock is at issue on a made field goal, according to NBA vice president Stu Jackson.

Jackson said the present referees' regime is also intent on improving communication with players and coaches - hence the decision last year to replace former supervisor Ed Rush with Ronnie Nunn.

"Contrary to what Cuttino says," added Jackson, "our officials are held accountable, and I feel very strongly that as long as a response is delivered efficiently and during an appropriate time, such as a dead-ball situation, we encourage our referees to engage the players and coaches. But this is not a license to speak to a referee continually during a game."

Additionally, referees are required to break down the film after each game, evaluating frame by frame, and immediately submit written and video reports to the league office. League-appointed observers also attend all games and file their own critique.

Yet rather than explanations, fines or suspensions, the Kings might benefit most from a little revisionist history: After they lost that Game 6, they obsessed over the officiating, their frustration still palpable 48 hours later. Instead of channeling their anger in a positive, aggressive manner, they were on the defensive for Game 7, their concentration faltering when needed most.

The four consecutive missed free throws in the first quarter. The momentum-altering defensive rebound in the second. The airballs at the end.

Please, not again.
GET STUFFED!
 
She is right on some points and most of you say the same things other times. Stop whining, even though the Kings have obviously been screwed on some things recently they have allowed over a 110 pts the last couple of games.
Inexcusable.
 
STK - NONE of what you OR Voisin has said excuses the fact that at the closing seconds of an exciting close game the outcome was unduely influenced because of abysmal officiating.

THAT is what is totally and completely inexcusable. The officials are supposed to make sure the game flows smoothly and is played according to the rules. Their calls or non-calls are NOT supposed to become more important than the play on the court.

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For the record, I AGREE WITH QUICK DOG!!!!!!!
 
VF21 said:
STK - NONE of what you OR Voisin has said excuses the fact that at the closing seconds of an exciting close game the outcome was unduely influenced because of abysmal officiating.

THAT is what is totally and completely inexcusable. The officials are supposed to make sure the game flows smoothly and is played according to the rules. Their calls or non-calls are NOT supposed to become more important than the play on the court.



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For the record, I AGREE WITH QUICK DOG!!!!!!!

That is true but the jist of it was that after every single play the Kings argue whether justified or not. There is no question that the resulting plays of the PHX game and the Mavs game tonight were total crap and that the refs should be held accountable. The officials in this league are terribly inconsistent. On one end the refs let you practically beat the living crap out of your opponent then on the other call you for a touch foul. Something does have to change.
 
The just of it is that you are using gross exaggeration to try and prove a point. If anyone was whining about calls tonight, it was Dirk. His technical was evidence of that.

Other than that, I agree with your comments above.

Bottom line is something has to be done. The officials have to be held accountable and the only one who can do that is David Stern. I suspect Stu Jackson is going to have to issue some kind of mealy-mouthed apology for the horrid non-call, but that's not going to solve anything. The league owners have to get together and decide they are NOT going to take it any more.
 
VF21 said:
The just of it is that you are using gross exaggeration to try and prove a point. If anyone was whining about calls tonight, it was Dirk. His technical was evidence of that.

Other than that, I agree with your comments above.

Bottom line is something has to be done. The officials have to be held accountable and the only one who can do that is David Stern. I suspect Stu Jackson is going to have to issue some kind of mealy-mouthed apology for the horrid non-call, but that's not going to solve anything. The league owners have to get together and decide they are NOT going to take it any more.

I will be absolutely shocked if there is an apology from the league. I suspect they will circle the wagons as usual.
 
natedizzle said:
I will be absolutely shocked if there is an apology from the league. I suspect they will circle the wagons as usual.
Right just like they ****ed us as usual.
 
natedizzle said:
I will be absolutely shocked if there is an apology from the league. I suspect they will circle the wagons as usual.

Oh I don't know. The Amare play was no where near as obvious as the one tonight, and twice in one week...they would have some serious gall. Maybe during the 2nd or 3rd quarters they could get away with it but in such a critical time in the game?
 
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