Ryle, how bout you tell our players to stay healthy for the playoffs. I guess it's bad luck or what. I'm not into complancy. But we only really went 8 deep last year with Webber back and our best and I mean best bench guy was out and Webber was hurt. What do you expect from the team. Do you expect the Lakers in 2002 to win with Shaq playing basically in rehab and Fisher hurt. You expect way too much. I love my team but you have to be realistic. You can't win titles A) without some luck B) without being healthy, C) great skill and D) some luck. We have never been lucky, injuries are the bane of our team. I love our team, I wish we won all those titles but you can't expect to get gold out of thin air.
Adelman Needs To Go!!!!
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In the meantime, when you are betting your marbles on what the Kings had, teams like Seattle and Phoenix were quietly rebuilding. Seattle and Phoenix went through various coach changes in the 5 year span. Happily for their fans, they found what "clicked" and punks like Barkley look like they are suddenly the Einsteins of b-ball. yay :\ Bah, give him the rest of the season, but if we tank, its best to spend your money elsewhere Ryle. 2005-2006 season might be a high interest period with rates slowly going up, so save up 
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Ironically, I felt the same way prior to this year. I felt that if everyone was healthy there was no excuses. This was the year for Adelman.
Now, I just don't know how much of the relative success or failure you can attribute to Adelman. I'm confused! Could another coach get more out of this group given injuries, trades, etc? Last year, same question? I don't know.
The 2002 team was right there Horry makes a shot, screwed by the refs, choked free throws in game 7. I'm not sure how much of that you can blame on Adelman. But, maybe they have tuned him out and are just surviving on talent. I just don't know!
Now, I just don't know how much of the relative success or failure you can attribute to Adelman. I'm confused! Could another coach get more out of this group given injuries, trades, etc? Last year, same question? I don't know.
The 2002 team was right there Horry makes a shot, screwed by the refs, choked free throws in game 7. I'm not sure how much of that you can blame on Adelman. But, maybe they have tuned him out and are just surviving on talent. I just don't know!
PFFFF! You can't compete every year in the NBA. 5 years in the NBA is a long time. Lakers are now finished for a while. Nets are definitely done for while.
PFFFT! Don't you find it funny that Seattle is starting to compete with Ray Allen in Contract Year and their coach in the same bucket. Suns have rebuilt well but they rebuilt around an aged player like Nash so really how long will it last. You guys aren't happy about us signing Webber at 28, Nash is 31 and 5 more years of guaranteed money. And again you can't compete forever.
Ryle, please answer my question, how do you expect a team to beat another team in the playoff in the NBA with serious injuries. Face it until 2003, Webber was our Shaq and Bobby was the bench last year.
PFFFT! Don't you find it funny that Seattle is starting to compete with Ray Allen in Contract Year and their coach in the same bucket. Suns have rebuilt well but they rebuilt around an aged player like Nash so really how long will it last. You guys aren't happy about us signing Webber at 28, Nash is 31 and 5 more years of guaranteed money. And again you can't compete forever.
Ryle, please answer my question, how do you expect a team to beat another team in the playoff in the NBA with serious injuries. Face it until 2003, Webber was our Shaq and Bobby was the bench last year.
Well, actually, YES. Jurry is out however on some of the younger coaches. Byron just didn't have the talent(although he did show some of that bad decision making with Mutumbo but still...) , neither did JVG (that team was underacheiving in the regular season, but came the playoffs, and that team was clicking, but in no way had they enough talent to edge the West). Arguements can be made positively for Rick Carlisle that he has not yet had a fair shake. But those others you mentioned are OLD SCHOOL COACHES and just can't or refuse to make tough decisions down the stretch.
But again, the Kings are in a pickel. No doubt. But I think this will be good in the long run (read 2 months from now)
But again, the Kings are in a pickel. No doubt. But I think this will be good in the long run (read 2 months from now)
Really he loses his mind and panics? If we don't shoot 50% from the line in game 7 the title was basically ours. Yes game 6 was poorly reffed. So you blame a 70% shooting or whatever team that shot 50% from the line and you blame that on Rick. I guess we need a team full of people with Bibby's blood, but we don't. So keep blaming Rick for all of the Kings problems.
Yes it is, with these players. Indeed, how petulant and spoiled have Sacramento fans become to sneer at these consistent 50-55 win teams when there are franchises out there who haven't seen that many wins in decades?
Fire Petrie if you really really have to scapegoat somebody.
I once again, for the 1,000,000th time, defy you or ANYBODY to point to the NBA champion built the way we've been built. I defy you to point to the Great player we've imported. Where's our HOFer? How many great defenders have we traded for or drafted? One that I know of (Brian Grant was pretty good from an earlier era).
There would be more than a certain irony to a GM stocking a team full of all offense/no defense type of players, decimating the roster in the space of a year, and then firing his coach and friend because the guy could not turn the resulting mess into a big winner. NOBODY wins under these circumstances. EVER. Rick's done a remarkable job just keeping the lid on this thing and the ship pointed in the direction of the playoffs. This is a team in major transition. This is a team bereft of dominant tough stud performers. Its a team bereft of defensive studs, in fact one riddled with guys who have never played much defense at all. Its an injured crew as well. You are more than fooling yourself if you think any of the great coaches could walk in here and make this group win anything significant. (Riley would walk in and immediately demand the roster be purged and rebuilt defense on up, preferably with a huge defensive center in the middle. PJ wouldn't even take the job unless you traded for LeBron before he arrived.)
Much like disrespecting the wins, Adelman bashers have also lost all perspective about their coach. Something like a dozen coaches were fired last year in the NBA. Finding a good coach is a hell of a difficult thing to do. Sacraqmento's own history is littered with losers who never gave the team a remote chance to win -- Dick Motta and Bill Russel and Jerry Reynolds and Rex Hughes and Gary St. Jean oh my! Meanwhile we've got a guy who's given us a shot year after year and is on pace right now to pass up Red Aurebach on the all time coaching victories list in a few years. You don't know what you've got until its gone.
Fire Petrie if you really really have to scapegoat somebody.
I once again, for the 1,000,000th time, defy you or ANYBODY to point to the NBA champion built the way we've been built. I defy you to point to the Great player we've imported. Where's our HOFer? How many great defenders have we traded for or drafted? One that I know of (Brian Grant was pretty good from an earlier era).
There would be more than a certain irony to a GM stocking a team full of all offense/no defense type of players, decimating the roster in the space of a year, and then firing his coach and friend because the guy could not turn the resulting mess into a big winner. NOBODY wins under these circumstances. EVER. Rick's done a remarkable job just keeping the lid on this thing and the ship pointed in the direction of the playoffs. This is a team in major transition. This is a team bereft of dominant tough stud performers. Its a team bereft of defensive studs, in fact one riddled with guys who have never played much defense at all. Its an injured crew as well. You are more than fooling yourself if you think any of the great coaches could walk in here and make this group win anything significant. (Riley would walk in and immediately demand the roster be purged and rebuilt defense on up, preferably with a huge defensive center in the middle. PJ wouldn't even take the job unless you traded for LeBron before he arrived.)
Much like disrespecting the wins, Adelman bashers have also lost all perspective about their coach. Something like a dozen coaches were fired last year in the NBA. Finding a good coach is a hell of a difficult thing to do. Sacraqmento's own history is littered with losers who never gave the team a remote chance to win -- Dick Motta and Bill Russel and Jerry Reynolds and Rex Hughes and Gary St. Jean oh my! Meanwhile we've got a guy who's given us a shot year after year and is on pace right now to pass up Red Aurebach on the all time coaching victories list in a few years. You don't know what you've got until its gone.
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jacobdrj, look at our playoff pushes every year. 2002- Peja is out. 2003-Webber is out. 2004-Webber is hurt, Bobby is out. Now reconsider what you wrote. Yes we were deep but important pieces can not be overshadowed by a great coach. Phil never won with mediocre team and injuries. Larry's team last year was never mediocre and both of Pops team were really solid but again no injuries. Our problem is more with injuries then Coaching. Coaching definitely hurts but so does huge team turnover (Petrie and the Cap) and injuries.
Even though we missed all these freethrows we still had a chance to win, had it not been for poor coaching decisions on RA's part in the final moments.
That's just my opinion..and i'm entitled to it. THe Blazers and the 2002 Kings team were both championship teams....and guess what, RA got outcoached both times by PJ.
That's just my opinion..and i'm entitled to it. THe Blazers and the 2002 Kings team were both championship teams....and guess what, RA got outcoached both times by PJ.
Really? They were title teams but they ran into other title teams as well. Don't get me wrong I wish to all god's hell we would have won atleast A title but if you consider the circumstances around those games and those series you would understand a little more of the facets.
Did you watch game 6? Did you watch the horrible officiating. You can't blame Rick for the missed FTs. You can blame him maybe for the poor defence, but if you remember the year before do you remember what Kobe and Shaq did to us? They averaged 33 and 36, and then we decreased that by a huge margin, and went from a 4 game sweep to 4 games to 3 we a chance to win.
PJ could be the greatest coach ever or atleast one of the best especially in the salary cap era so why do you have to bring him down. You act like Karl ever beat him. The only guys to ever beat him with a full team are Brown and Pop. Brown also lost to him, albeit handily with Philly earlier this decade. For the first time Phil experienced a SERIOUS injury to his team in the loss of Malone and guess what he got clobbered. Guess what we've gone to the close out game with a serious injury every year for the last 3 years. Give me a break, if Phil can't do it, and no other coaches can do it, I don't expect Adelman to be much better. This isn't the NFL where pieces are easily filled by let's say Coach B of the Pats, this is the NBA were player skills are highly different and can't be easily replaced.
Did you watch game 6? Did you watch the horrible officiating. You can't blame Rick for the missed FTs. You can blame him maybe for the poor defence, but if you remember the year before do you remember what Kobe and Shaq did to us? They averaged 33 and 36, and then we decreased that by a huge margin, and went from a 4 game sweep to 4 games to 3 we a chance to win.
PJ could be the greatest coach ever or atleast one of the best especially in the salary cap era so why do you have to bring him down. You act like Karl ever beat him. The only guys to ever beat him with a full team are Brown and Pop. Brown also lost to him, albeit handily with Philly earlier this decade. For the first time Phil experienced a SERIOUS injury to his team in the loss of Malone and guess what he got clobbered. Guess what we've gone to the close out game with a serious injury every year for the last 3 years. Give me a break, if Phil can't do it, and no other coaches can do it, I don't expect Adelman to be much better. This isn't the NFL where pieces are easily filled by let's say Coach B of the Pats, this is the NBA were player skills are highly different and can't be easily replaced.
All of this is pointless, we just need to get rid of whats stale, yes the Lakers are done and their head coach who have 3 peated is GONE. Shaq is gone. New Jersey is gone. So why are we hanging on to Adelman? This team is figured out. The plays are older than Carrill and teams know them. There is nothing new about the team. Ill miss the old days granted, but lets just give it a try and go a different route, at least this summer lets do it. Im not requesting Adelman be fired today. But I don't expect much out of him.
What route are you expecting. You guys are obviously spoiled and would rather return to the days of 30 win non-playoff teams than atleast competing year after year. In this era, you can either A) build through the draft and tank seasons or B) Overpay good players on the Free Agent Market. B) doesn't seem to be a very great choice for our team considering the salary cap "hell" were in. So A) is the only option. Are you willing to wait 5 years to compete again? I guess you are. Is there another Lebron. I guess we can go after Oden, but we better have the worst record in the league. But then again were stuck with all these contracts for the next couple of years so we might as well try. You act like were going to pluck some big time trade for Peja, Bibby or even Miller. It just isnt' going to happen. You can't get superstars unless they want to leave, there contract is too large or they have some serious problem.
So you better get used to Bibby, Miller and Peja for the next couple of years competing and I can't think of a better coach atleast right now then Adelman. How bout we get Petrie to get some good defenders. I don't know whos available but half the league seems like an upgrade.
So you better get used to Bibby, Miller and Peja for the next couple of years competing and I can't think of a better coach atleast right now then Adelman. How bout we get Petrie to get some good defenders. I don't know whos available but half the league seems like an upgrade.
You don't make moves to stay "fresh". If anybody has figured out our offense yet, they should really send the memo to the rest of the league against whom we're scoring as much as ever and are still I beleive the #2 team in the league.
Nobody's figured us out. We just got old and unbalanced. Tossing the coach aside does nothing but break what is still good about the team. What we need is better defensive and rebounding personnel. We're two years removed from being the best defensive team in the league with this same coach. The difference is that we are also 9 players removed from that same team. That's not on the coach, that's on the GM/owners (and age).
P.S. Why is it exactly that I am not envious and eager to emulate NJ and the Lakers??
Nobody's figured us out. We just got old and unbalanced. Tossing the coach aside does nothing but break what is still good about the team. What we need is better defensive and rebounding personnel. We're two years removed from being the best defensive team in the league with this same coach. The difference is that we are also 9 players removed from that same team. That's not on the coach, that's on the GM/owners (and age).
P.S. Why is it exactly that I am not envious and eager to emulate NJ and the Lakers??
PFFFFT!! I'm sorry but other than the Spurs and the Pistons who could be the class of the league, noone really plays D anymore. We have left the JVG era of slow games and have gone back to the offensive era. Is it no coincidence that the Suns, Heat and other that score alot of points have the best record in the league. All we need to learn how to do is stop people at the end of games. The Mavs have seemed to find a way to do it. We just need to learn it. I guess we need to find our Josh Howard.
Adelman is still around because he's an EXCELLENT coach. He has led teams severly hampered by key injuries to wins so many times it's become expected to the point where, with virtually all new players on the court, some still expected wins.
If you get rid of Adelman now, you'd better be ready to try and predict who we'll get as a lottery pick because that would, IMHO, be the straw that really broke the camel's back...
If you get rid of Adelman now, you'd better be ready to try and predict who we'll get as a lottery pick because that would, IMHO, be the straw that really broke the camel's back...
Where's the defensive mastermind on the sidelines. You act like Larry Brown is that guy. He has the best personnel and he has fit the personnel to do it. Same goes with Pop. Albeit his team is scoring better than ever this year.
If you want to blame Adelman, you might as well blame Petrie because right now we have noone really that great on defence that starts.
If you want to blame Adelman, you might as well blame Petrie because right now we have noone really that great on defence that starts.
True look at Scott Skiles, an outcast from Phoenix, then in the Bulls it worked out, with a bunch of newbs and rooks. The team is jelled and play well. There might be a nobody out there that will fit the players and have ideas. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone seems to think that Adelman is the best thing since sliced bread. *sigh*