[Game] 62/82: Kings vs. Spurs, 07 MAR 2025, 7p PT/10p ET

[Tetsujin]

I don't think that's going to go how you think it's gonna go.

Look, I’m not trying to make any sort of weird moral judgment on love and power dynamics in the 21st century. Anjali and Lamb having a relationship while he was a player on the Stockton Kings and she the GM isn’t awesome but he retired and she quit GMing to focus on her other rich person hobby (getting a doctorate).

Vivek ain’t getting any younger and I think I’d honestly prefer him passing the team on to his daughter, who at least has some sort of experience with basketball and has watched how the team works for the least decade plus, than him selling the team and us all having to go through the whole “will the Kings stay in Sacramento?”/“oh crap our new owner is trying to make a splash but has no idea what he’s doing” thing again. Watching Matt Ishbia tsunami a full decade of his team’s future for the sake of trying to build the world’s worst superteam has made me even more cautious of new owner syndrome.

 

[SLAB]

Look, I’m not trying to make any sort of weird moral judgment on love and power dynamics in the 21st century. Anjali and Lamb having a relationship while he was a player on the Stockton Kings and she the GM isn’t awesome but he retired and she quit GMing to focus on her other rich person hobby (getting a doctorate).

Vivek ain’t getting any older and I think I’d honestly prefer him passing the team on to his daughter, who at least has some sort of experience with basketball and has watched how the team works for the least decade plus, than him selling the team and us all having to go through the whole “will the Kings stay in Sacramento?”/“oh crap our new owner is trying to make a splash but has no idea what he’s doing” thing again. Watching Matt Ishbia tsunami a full decade of his team’s future for the sake of trying to build the world’s worst superteam has made me even more cautious of new owner syndrome.

If only we had that power

 

[AaronPDX]

I sincerely hope San Antonio gives Fox the max they can. Fox was Fool's Gold in Sacramento. Both Lavine AND Castle outplayed Fox last night. If I were San Antonio, I'd shift my attention to Castle's development, not dumping a ton of cash on Fox.
Not mad at Fox, don't care, think the Kings are far better off with him gone and not investing a third of the salary cap on the guy.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Look, I’m not trying to make any sort of weird moral judgment on love and power dynamics in the 21st century. Anjali and Lamb having a relationship while he was a player on the Stockton Kings and she the GM isn’t awesome but he retired and she quit GMing to focus on her other rich person hobby (getting a doctorate).

Vivek ain’t getting any older and I think I’d honestly prefer him passing the team on to his daughter, who at least has some sort of experience with basketball and has watched how the team works for the least decade plus, than him selling the team and us all having to go through the whole “will the Kings stay in Sacramento?”/“oh crap our new owner is trying to make a splash but has no idea what he’s doing” thing again. Watching Matt Ishbia tsunami a full decade of his team’s future for the sake of trying to build the world’s worst superteam has made me even more cautious of new owner syndrome.

A lot of us have an opposite opinion. Him selling the team could be the first realistic step in positive change away from dysfunctional

 

[fansinceday1]

I sincerely hope San Antonio gives Fox the max they can. Fox was Fool's Gold in Sacramento. Both Lavine AND Castle outplayed Fox last night. If I were San Antonio, I'd shift my attention to Castle's development, not dumping a ton of cash on Fox.
Not mad at Fox, don't care, think the Kings are far better off with him gone and not investing a third of the salary cap on the guy.

If you read the San Antonio forums their fans are already asking themselves if it’s smart to max out what the spurs can offer Fox. That sure didn’t take long.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Fake news. Rick Adelman was not fired 5 times. Not even close

My bad. He "retired" from the Timberwolves with his 97-133 record. He was only "fired" four times.

 

[AaronPDX]

Not to be taken as a "Bash Fox" post, but he's simply not as good as he thinks he is. Seeing him play elsewhere in a different system really exposes him as a player. He's not their second best player, maybe not even their third best, but I hope they pay him all they can afford LOL

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Look, I’m not trying to make any sort of weird moral judgment on love and power dynamics in the 21st century. Anjali and Lamb having a relationship while he was a player on the Stockton Kings and she the GM isn’t awesome but he retired and she quit GMing to focus on her other rich person hobby (getting a doctorate).

That's not what I meant.

 

[Section 101]

https://packaged-media.redd.it/0vbh...00&s=98ae3b1d2c3a214cd3e665e1bce8c6b50ed8fae9

Grabbed this from someone on Kings reddit. Recee getting up in Malik's business. This is insane.

I'm getting the feeling it wasn't Fox but his boss and Fox is a yes maam.

 

[Section 101]

My bad. He "retired" from the Timberwolves with his 97-133 record. He was only "fired" four times.

He wasnt fired from the Kings, his contract wasnt renewed.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

On grants postgame show last night, a caller called in with a link to grants show opening in December 2014 and Grant ended up playing his 20 min monologue after his show last night. It’s disheartening to listen to because it could have been done about this current front office. Nothing has changed. The front office is still as dysfunctional as it was back in December 2014.

It's a family behavioral pattern that is not likely to change

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

He wasnt fired from the Kings, his contract wasnt renewed.

You're splitting hairs. He didn't choose to let his contract expire: it's not like he'd intended to test the open market, he would have come back if the Kings had wanted him back. He was let go.

 

[Tizzy Flip]

My bad. He "retired" from the Timberwolves with his 97-133 record. He was only "fired" four times.

Had a feeling you would qualify it. But let’s spread the disinformation. Great look for a moderator. Not being renewed after the end of a season vs being fired in November and December sounds very different, but maybe that’s just me.

Larry Brown - 9 times
Don Nelson - 5 times
George Karl - 5 times
Dick Motta - 4 times
Alvin Gentry - 4 times

and now Mike Brown. Top 5

 

[Tetsujin]

Had a feeling you would qualify it. But let’s spread the disinformation. Great look for a moderator. Not being renewed after the end of a season vs being fired in November and December sounds very different, but maybe that’s just me.

Larry Brown - 9 times
Don Nelson - 5 times
George Karl - 5 times
Dick Motta - 4 times
Alvin Gentry - 4 times

and now Mike Brown. Top 5

The Kings have fired half of those guys lol

 

[pdxKingsFan]

I sincerely hope San Antonio gives Fox the max they can. Fox was Fool's Gold in Sacramento. Both Lavine AND Castle outplayed Fox last night. If I were San Antonio, I'd shift my attention to Castle's development, not dumping a ton of cash on Fox.
Not mad at Fox, don't care, think the Kings are far better off with him gone and not investing a third of the salary cap on the guy.

I don't see why San Antonio would max him. At best he should be given the deal Domas got where the first year is a "max" but it's a base year deal with the standard raises and not 30% of the cap. That way in 2-3 years the next time the cap jumps they aren't stuck. I still think Paul engineered this whole thing to get a crack at pulling in Wemby before he signs his rookie extension which is almost a guarantee to be the designated rookie deal. And a selling point when he makes his pitch will be getting De'Aaron to take a team friendly deal so they can continue building Wemby's team.

We'll wait and see. I don't think Fox is consistent enough to be a max player and the only reason the Kings offered it is because they were terrified of losing him.

Also maybe folks can forgive Monte for trading OMax and Richaun so he could lock in Domas a year early now?

 

[The_Jamal]

I’d still like to know more about amicks report last night that sabonis is seeking clarity on the kings direction this offseason”. Was he told something else?
Is this his way of telling the team he’s not happy with our direction? I’m sure this wasn’t put out there just for the helluva it. It’s meant to convey something.

My guess is Domas wants to make sure we're still looking to compete and win. Coach gets fired, star player gets traded mid-season. I'm sure Domas doesn't want to spend his prime on a team that intends to blow up the roster.

Thankfully, this seems to be working itself out on the floor. LaVine has been awesome, DC is 100% coaching his way into the longterm gig, we made massive improvements at the deadline. All these are very likely what Domas wants to make sure keeps happening here

 

[kingsfan101]

No doubt he’s had the most success since Adelman. Although that’s like saying Mike McCarthy has been the cowboys best coach since Jimmy Johnson

Or that Skal was our best pick of that draft class.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

Vivek ain’t getting any younger and I think I’d honestly prefer him passing the team on to his daughter, who at least has some sort of experience with basketball and has watched how the team works for the least decade plus, than him selling the team and us all having to go through the whole “will the Kings stay in Sacramento?”/“oh crap our new owner is trying to make a splash but has no idea what he’s doing” thing again. Watching Matt Ishbia tsunami a full decade of his team’s future for the sake of trying to build the world’s worst superteam has made me even more cautious of new owner syndrome.

It's really hard for me to understand what Vivek has done since Monte and Wes came in that puts him in the bottom 10 group of owners. At least a half dozen teams in the East have thoroughly incompetent owners. There's another 3-4 owners like Ishbia and the Adelsons that are new and are doing the same dumb things Vivek may have done on far worse scales. There's Portland's ownership which is 5+ years into a dead owner's trust owning the team with a mandate to sell that has gone nowhere. OKC who is a great team has an owner that moved from Seattle and is now strongarming the city for a tax-payer funded arena. How is Vivek worse than say any mid-level team at this point? Utah? Minnesota? The only thing that leads to most team's success is they land a generational talent somehow.

 

[kingsfan101]

I don't see why San Antonio would max him. At best he should be given the deal Domas got where the first year is a "max" but it's a base year deal with the standard raises and not 30% of the cap. That way in 2-3 years the next time the cap jumps they aren't stuck. I still think Paul engineered this whole thing to get a crack at pulling in Wemby before he signs his rookie extension which is almost a guarantee to be the designated rookie deal. And a selling point when he makes his pitch will be getting De'Aaron to take a team friendly deal so they can continue building Wemby's team.

We'll wait and see. I don't think Fox is consistent enough to be a max player and the only reason the Kings offered it is because they were terrified of losing him.

Also maybe folks can forgive Monte for trading OMax and Richaun so he could lock in Domas a year early now?

He'll get the max. He is an important player, has a powerful agent, and is still young enough to be a significant part of a franchise for years to come.

That said, he will need to prove himself worthy, or the fans will turn on him soon. He was always great when he was dialed in. This season is done for the Spurs. However, if Wemby comes back full strength, they have the talent and assets to make significant improvements. League will also do its bit to help out Pop and Wemby. So, expectations will be high, and he will be in focus with a big contract. Slip ups will not be treated kindly.

 

[NewArena]

We look stable and deep right now. We got size, shooting, defense and JV is probably 3rd best center we have had since Brad miller. Cousins and sabonis being the other 2. We need to acquire some young real talent in the next 18-24 months. Devin Carter ain’t it. I think we should quietly see what is offered for Malik or Derozen this offseason.

Let's see him get a real training camp and health going before we decide that

 

[SacTownKid]

It was put out there for clicks and by the looks of it…it worked like a charm. I’ve seen no less than 3 other articles referencing the same “report” from Amick as other smallish news outlets/reporters try to garner clicks themselves. As I’ve seen others mention before, it’s called an exit interview. I mean, why wouldn’t the highest paid player and face of the franchise want to know the organizations intentions and plans moving forward? Honestly, sports journalists these days have turned more into gossip columnists than actual reporters. It’s no wonder that most struggle to make it and resort to farming views with clickbait. Or maybe I’m just getting old and jaded

If Amick says it, at this point it's probably true. He's one of the most reliable reporters out there since working his way into the national scene.

 

[NewArena]

My guess is Domas wants to make sure we're still looking to compete and win. Coach gets fired, star player gets traded mid-season. I'm sure Domas doesn't want to spend his prime on a team that intends to blow up the roster.

Thankfully, this seems to be working itself out on the floor. LaVine has been awesome, DC is 100% coaching his way into the longterm gig, we made massive improvements at the deadline. All these are very likely what Domas wants to make sure keeps happening here

Yeah, and then people sensationalize this and turn into sabonis being unsure of the direction and he may want out, blah blah blah. I'm over Amick and his clickbait garbage at this point

 

[SacTownKid]

We look stable and deep right now. We got size, shooting, defense and JV is probably 3rd best center we have had since Brad miller. Cousins and sabonis being the other 2. We need to acquire some young real talent in the next 18-24 months. Devin Carter ain’t it. I think we should quietly see what is offered for Malik or Derozen this offseason.

You just ain't seeing it. A complete game is there, now see how it develops. The Kings don't need more players putting up 20 shots, they need players that can run offense, defend, and have athletic tools. Check, check, and check possibly.

 

[SacTownKid]

I can see how he doesn’t understand the current makeup of the roster but I don’t expect that to stay the same after this season.

Jonas may actually fit the 3 ball dominant players lineup better than Domas as it turns a great facilitator, point forward type into a rim runner which isn’t really Domas game. It also leads to the Kings not getting the most out of a player who is being paid to be the engine on offense.

Fact is, before he pulled his hammy..he was coming off his 3-4 most ineffective games as a King. They weren’t necessarily bad games or good games, but just not impactful as we’re used to so the roster change has affected him the most.

I don’t blame him for wanting some clarity.

Time will sort it out. All those questions about the defense, etc. get solved when you replace players like Monk and Domas with who is now getting those minutes. Domas isn't as bad a defender as Monk but the ball pressure and size in the paint might evaporate once they return, we'll see. It's also a question of whether DDR and LaVine is enough offensively. So far, so good.

 

[macadocious]

Why is Domas wanting clarity on the plan concerning? It should only be concerning if the plan sucks!

 

[SacTownKid]

My guess is Domas wants to make sure we're still looking to compete and win. Coach gets fired, star player gets traded mid-season. I'm sure Domas doesn't want to spend his prime on a team that intends to blow up the roster.

Thankfully, this seems to be working itself out on the floor. LaVine has been awesome, DC is 100% coaching his way into the longterm gig, we made massive improvements at the deadline. All these are very likely what Domas wants to make sure keeps happening here

This is why it's strange, what says "blow up the roster" more than trading Fox for LaVine, right? lol. If I had to guess, part of it has something to do with DC and Brown moving away from the Domas sets offensively. His role has changed even more since Christie got the big chair.

 

[The_Jamal]

You just ain't seeing it. A complete game is there, now see how it develops. The Kings don't need more players putting up 20 shots, they need players that can run offense, defend, and have athletic tools. Check, check, and check possibly.

People aren't seeing what Devin Carter is supposed to be. No, he's not going to be a Kyrie, Steph, Cp3 type offensive player. But he can be a jrue Holiday, derrick white, lu dort, Marcus smart sort of impact player where he might not be putting up gaudy stats every night, but him being on the floor is going to lead to win ing and good things

Honestly, the hope is he continues to develop like Keon has in terms of impact. Where his final stat line might be 10-3-3, but he's one of the main reasons we win the game.

 

[SacTownKid]

People aren't seeing what Devin Carter is supposed to be. No, he's not going to be a Kyrie, Steph, Cp3 type offensive player. But he can be a jrue Holiday, derrick white, lu dort, Marcus smart sort of impact player where he might not be putting up gaudy stats every night, but him being on the floor is going to lead to win ing and good things

Honestly, the hope is he continues to develop like Keon has in terms of impact. Where his final stat line might be 10-3-3, but he's one of the main reasons we win the game.

If he develops fully and gets his pick and roll game from college to translate as a scorer I can see similar production to what he had in college if the rebounding ends up being as legit as it looks and he gets enough shots up per game. Right now his limited assist numbers are actually better than college so now to see how that develops. Keon and Carter in this game showed serious potential as a combo. They were talking a lot on offense and helping eachother on both ends.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

He'll get the max. He is an important player, has a powerful agent, and is still young enough to be a significant part of a franchise for years to come.

That said, he will need to prove himself worthy, or the fans will turn on him soon. He was always great when he was dialed in. This season is done for the Spurs. However, if Wemby comes back full strength, they have the talent and assets to make significant improvements. League will also do its bit to help out Pop and Wemby. So, expectations will be high, and he will be in focus with a big contract. Slip ups will not be treated kindly.

Pop is gone. I understand reluctance to talk about it but he’s not coaching again.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

If Amick says it, at this point it's probably true. He's one of the most reliable reporters out there since working his way into the national scene.

Amick’s source is the Fox camp though. And by Fox’s admission they weren’t close. He’s accused Domas of being anti Brown but also saying firing Brown is cause for concern? Domas took a team friendly deal if he has any concerns along with other players it is why the guy the team promoted as the star was only in it for himself.

Appreciate Amick but he told one player’s story and unfortunately that player is a very unreliable narrator right now.