[Game] 31/82: Kings vs. Mavericks 27 DEC 2025, 2pm PT/5pm ET

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ShastaKingsFan said:
Just a reminder that this is the sentiment that can in part cause an organization in desperate need, to lose out on a Franz Wagner type player by 1-2 meaningless wins
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I mean, what do you want us to do? Throw the game?

We're down 3 starters and today (looks) like it was won off the back of the young guys. We've pretty well shown that the heavy DDR/Russ lead games lead to basically no wins. Do you bench Max and Cardwell now? Give Saric huge minutes? No more Keon/Nique?
 
The_Jamal said:
I mean, what do you want us to do? Throw the game?

We're down 3 starters and today (looks) like it was won off the back of the young guys. We've pretty well shown that the heavy DDR/Russ lead games lead to basically no wins. Do you bench Max and Cardwell now? Give Saric huge minutes? No more Keon/Nique?
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We just need to hold on to Tank God Zach until he's an ender next season.

That dude is walking ping pong balls. Once he's healthy we'll start blowing these winnable games again!
 
Its too freaking early to tank. Season not even half over. And this is a Lottery system I cant stress this enough.

Why cant we enjoy wins? Why always negativity? Dammed if you do dammed if you dont in here.

There is no such thing as tanking this early people. Confidence is everything in nba. The team we just played against has the number 1 overall player on it and he is def not a garantee to lift them into greatness.

1st pick means nothing without a winning culture. Now if we have 10-20 games left I can understand this thinking. We dont
 
The_Jamal said:
I mean, what do you want us to do? Throw the game?

We're down 3 starters and today (looks) like it was won off the back of the young guys. We've pretty well shown that the heavy DDR/Russ lead games lead to basically no wins. Do you bench Max and Cardwell now? Give Saric huge minutes? No more Keon/Nique?
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Bigger picture. Use strategy for the rest of this season, including what happens at the trade dead-line, to maximize their odds to not miss out on the high pick that they desperately need.

If they pull off some sort of winning stretch late in the season, or even win 1 or 2 meaningless games with a clutch closer like DeRozan, that costs them a better chance at getting a top 4 pick in this draft, are you going to be OK with that as long as the younger players are getting a lot of experience?

Many here were pissed when they missed out on Franz Wagner, knowing that with different priorities even just at the very end of that season, they could have got him. A player type they desperately needed and would have been a great fit. It could easily happen again, if there is no vision and strategy for prioritizing as high a pick as possible in this next draft
 
Rob-The-Great said:
Its too freaking early to tank. Season not even half over. And this is a Lottery system I cant stress this enough.

Why cant we enjoy wins?
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Sometimes I think people don't understand that tanking isn't a thing that players do. Tanking is a thing that front offices do.

Players play to win. They don't tank. Sometimes front offices don't set the players up for success. That's tanking.

This afternoon, the Kings were short Domas, Keegan, and LaVine. Monk came off the bench. McDermott played 19 minutes. Two-way player Cardwell played 21. From the point of view of the front office, it's pretty freaking difficult to tank harder than that. But the players had something else to say, and they competed, and they racked up 16 steals, and they shot 45% from three, and they won the game.

We should have no basis for complaint.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Bigger picture. Use strategy for the rest of this season, including what happens at the trade dead-line, to maximize their odds to not miss out on the high pick that they desperately need.

If they pull off some sort of winning stretch late in the season, or even win 1 or 2 meaningless games with a clutch closer like DeRozan, that costs them a better chance at getting a top 4 pick in this draft, are you going to be OK with that as long as the younger players are getting a lot of experience?

Many here were pissed when they missed out on Franz Wagner, knowing that with different priorities even just at the very end of that season, they could have got him. A player type they desperately needed and would have been a great fit. It could easily happen again, if there is no vision and strategy for prioritizing as high a pick as possible in this next draft
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Yes, I do think it matters when Max/Nique/Cardwell/Keon are getting big minutes and they're the reason we spike a win here and there.

Kings have looked better once they've committed to bigger roles to the younger guys, getting more defense on the floor (Nique/Cardwell/Keon in particular) and seeing them get more comfortable game by game. Next up is when we trade some of the vets, getting Carter in this similar 20-25 MPG role for the back-half of the year. We were not going to be a 6-win team, much to the chagrin of a few members. So as long as we stay committed to the young core having real roles every game, I'll take the win here and there.
 
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The_Jamal said:
Yes, I do think it matters when Max/Nique/Cardwell/Keon are getting big minutes and they're the reason we spike a win here and there.

Kings have looked better once they've committed to bigger roles to the younger guys, getting more defense on the floor (Nique/Cardwell/Keon in particular) and seeing them get more comfortable game by game. Next up is when we trade some of the vets, getting Carter in this similar 20-25 MPG role for the back-half of the year. We were not going to be a 6-win team, much to the chagrin of a few members. So as long as we stay committed to the young core having real roles every game, I'll take the win here and there.
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Was calling for this at the beginning of the season ...... Kings had a great draft and a poor free agency...... f@#$ management/staff/coaching benched Cardwell and Carter when they clearly are outstanding athletes. Still doing it with Carter.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Just a reminder that this is the sentiment that can in part cause an organization in desperate need, to lose out on a Franz Wagner type player by 1-2 meaningless wins
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Fine, but what do you propose be done? Should the players deliberately play bad, not play hard, or purposely miss shots?

The mistakes were made in the off season, when we doubled down by signing vets instead of clearing logjam and freeing minutes for the kids. That would have served the double purpose of being naturally bad by fielding inexperienced players for high draft position and having them grow. If we had managed to trade some of the vets for picks/prospects, even better.

That ship has sailed. Now, the best we hope for is that the kids get plenty of time, and that they play hard. If we get some wins via that process, so be it. Not much can be done.

FWIW, DDR has been playing really well. Teams like Clippers/Lakers/Mavs that want to win might be interested. Trading a large contract for prospects is always tough though. Plus, many of these teams have already traded away significant assets we might have been interested in.
 
Perry needs to deal vets asap so that he can bring up Carter, Plowden, and other youngsters. Yes the rooks helped get the win but so did the vets that won’t be here. If we don’t stay in the top 3-4 for the draft, this season will have been a waste. Sure Max, Nique and Cardwell are looking to be good draft picks at this point but they won’t be stars and you need stars to win and the only way we will get a star is in the draft.
 
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