2021 Free Agency Mega Thread

Do the Kings make a surprise Free Agency splash?

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gunks said:
Right? Contending teams are built around 2+ stars.

And I don’t know why we’d want to trade Fox, who’s gotten better every year, is vocally and contractually committed to Sac and just dropped a 25/7 season for a guy who’s afraid to shoot the ball in the post season and hasn’t improved much since his rookie season.

I’m loving all the Buddy/Bags for Simmons trade ideas, but hard pass on shipping out Fox for him.
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Boom. This is it. Someone pin this post in every Ben Simmons thread from this point forward, please.
 
I think any Fox-Simmons base would have to start something like

Fox for Simmons+Thybulle and/or Maxey.

We aren't the ones giving up the disgruntled star, you are. If you want a young star player in return, then you should have to provide ex
Padrino said:
From the Kings' perspective, I think the only way to make the starting lineup work is if the package were Buddy/Bagley/pick(s), leaving the team with:

PG Fox
SG Haliburton
SF [Big Fat Question Mark Who Can Shoot]
PF Barnes
C Simmons

I think Ben Simmons would function best as a center alongside De'Aaron Fox. Simmons would have to let go of his insistence on playing the point, of course, but it would alleviate some of the pressure on him to get more comfortable shooting the ball right away. Playing him at C also creates a dozen kinds of havoc on both sides of the ball. It's mouth-watering stuff, in my opinion.

In this scenario, you've gotta hold onto Harrison Barnes, though. His versatility and shooting become essential if you trade for Simmons. Personally, I was hoping that any possible deal for Simmons would be executed before the draft and before the Kings had to make a decision on Richaun Holmes. As it stands, Fox/Simmons/Holmes can't fit into the same starting lineup, so the Kings would be re-signing Holmes to a hefty backup's contract. That's not ideal.

Alternatively, after drafting Davion Mitchell, I can see the logic in trading Fox for Simmons. It's definitely not my preference, but it probably makes it easier to hold onto Barnes. And I wouldn't necessarily be unhappy if the Kings moved into training camp with a lineup of:

PG Mitchell
SG Haliburton
SF [Big Fat Question Mark Who Can Shoot]
PF Barnes
C Simmons

or

PG Mitchell
SG Haliburton
SF Barnes
PF [Big Fat Question Mark Who Can Shoot]
C Simmons

or

PG Mitchell
SG Haliburton
SF Simmons
PF Barnes
C [Big Fat Question Mark Who Can Shoot]

Obviously, there's positional flexibility when Barnes/Simmons are in the lineup together. They could play in a few configurations between the 3, 4, and 5, so whatever additional shooting you acquire would dictate the ultimate shape of the starting lineup.

But at this point, I'm probably more interested in a slightly less splashy target like Pascal Siakam, or potentially dealing with Philly for Tobias Harris rather than Simmons. I'd prefer to keep Fox, and I think Siakam or Harris would slot into the starting lineup perfectly after re-signing Holmes.
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Yeah I think Siakam is the best case scenario at this point. It's a tremendous buy-low opportunity on a player that seems to have lost favor with the Raptors (juding by them passing on an amazing lead guard for a guy who plays the same position) and would drastically address all the Kings major weaknesses with his defense/passing from the 4 slot. A Siakam/Holmes front-line is basically ideal with their ability to defend the perimeter and shut down the PnR.

Buddy/Bagley/2 FRP seems like a fair deal for both sides. Raptors get a plug and play starter with Buddy in a tremendous defensive situation, a free option to look at Bagley and 2 more FRP to expediate their post-Lowry situation along with OG/Barnes/FVV. Kings get a top 30 overall player that wouldn't have to be near the same level of creation responsibilities as he did last year and settle back into to being an elite #2/#3 option.
 
Padrino said:
I do find it weird that a noted entrepreneur and "innovator" like Mark Cuban has chosen to run the Dallas Mavericks as if they were a small market franchise that can make hay of "keeping it in the family."
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I worked with them in the glory days when I did hospitality/POS consulting. Mark's right hand guy (who was a total jerk to my team, although to be fair the product was always oversold and underdelivered) was like his bff from forever. He ran the arena ops and a lot of the business side. So none of this is particularly surprising to me, but it is a great point.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I worked with them in the glory days when I did hospitality/POS consulting. Mark's right hand guy (who was a total jerk to my team, although to be fair the product was always oversold and underdelivered) was like his bff from forever. He ran the arena ops and a lot of the business side. So none of this is particularly surprising to me, but it is a great point.
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I mean, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the "dudebro NBA owner plays favorites with dudebro friends" narrative, but still... Dallas is the fifth-largest media market in the country. They've really struggled to attract big name free agents over the years, but you'd think that Cuban wouldn't be so insular and leverage his franchise's advantages to at least compete for the best available talent for his front office and coaching staff.
 
The_Jamal said:
Yeah I think Siakam is the best case scenario at this point. It's a tremendous buy-low opportunity on a player that seems to have lost favor with the Raptors (juding by them passing on an amazing lead guard for a guy who plays the same position) and would drastically address all the Kings major weaknesses with his defense/passing from the 4 slot. A Siakam/Holmes front-line is basically ideal with their ability to defend the perimeter and shut down the PnR.

Buddy/Bagley/2 FRP seems like a fair deal for both sides. Raptors get a plug and play starter with Buddy in a tremendous defensive situation, a free option to look at Bagley and 2 more FRP to expediate their post-Lowry situation along with OG/Barnes/FVV. Kings get a top 30 overall player that wouldn't have to be near the same level of creation responsibilities as he did last year and settle back into to being an elite #2/#3 option.
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Masai just inked a contract extension with the Raptors, too, so he's got a bit of job security with which to work. He doesn't need to play things particularly conservative. I'd hope that something along the lines of Buddy+Bagley+2 conditional first rounders could get the job done, considering that Siakam doesn't seem like a huge priority for the Raptors after a disappointing season. I agree that he'd fit in well with the Kings because he could return to second option status, which is a role he certainly seems more comfortable in.
 
gunks said:
Right? Contending teams are built around 2+ stars.

And I don’t know why we’d want to trade Fox, who’s gotten better every year, is vocally and contractually committed to Sac and just dropped a 25/7 season for a guy who’s afraid to shoot the ball in the post season and hasn’t improved much since his rookie season.

I’m loving all the Buddy/Bags for Simmons trade ideas, but hard pass on shipping out Fox for him.
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LITERALLY THIS. How the hell are we gonna replace the fastest player in the league that also was 25/7 with a guy that can’t even shoot a wide open layup and doesn’t score 25 PPG
 
EIM86 said:
LITERALLY THIS. How the hell are we gonna replace the fastest player in the league that also was 25/7 with a guy that can’t even shoot a wide open layup and doesn’t score 25 PPG
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Agreed. I think regular-season Simmons is a very nice player. But, in the end, it's about making the playoffs and going deep, right? That's one HELLA exploitable flaw he's got. Not to mention his attitude issues. In apparently refusing to have contact with the Sixers since their ouster he does himself no favors across the league. Immature and short-sighted.
 
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JD Shaw @JShawNBA
The Hawks have added Jordan Bell for summer league in Las Vegas, the team says.

Jordan Bell at a minimum or two-way contract?
6'8, good defender, can guard wings fits current GM theme (defenders), fills a need, etc.
 
joemama said:
JD Shaw @JShawNBA
The Hawks have added Jordan Bell for summer league in Las Vegas, the team says.

Jordan Bell at a minimum or two-way contract?
6'8, good defender, can guard wings fits current GM theme (defenders), fills a need, etc.
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I was captain of the Jordan Bell fan club back in the draft. Wanted him badly with the Frank Mason pick.

After an awesome rookie year, dude has fallen off a cliff though. He looked like was well on his way to being a super impactful big man defender, but has massively regressed since.
 
gunks said:
Right? Contending teams are built around 2+ stars.

And I don’t know why we’d want to trade Fox, who’s gotten better every year, is vocally and contractually committed to Sac and just dropped a 25/7 season for a guy who’s afraid to shoot the ball in the post season and hasn’t improved much since his rookie season.

I’m loving all the Buddy/Bags for Simmons trade ideas, but hard pass on shipping out Fox for him.
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yes though for everyone pointing out Defense Fox has some of the worst ratings on the team
 
joemama said:
JD Shaw @JShawNBA
The Hawks have added Jordan Bell for summer league in Las Vegas, the team says.

Jordan Bell at a minimum or two-way contract?
6'8, good defender, can guard wings fits current GM theme (defenders), fills a need, etc.
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He's 6'8" but too bulky/slow to hand defending wings, leaving him stuck in that undersized bigman role. No thanks.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1423414558895525888

Ohhhhh..

24 years old. 6'5 with a 6'9 wingspan

38% 3pt on 3.1 attempts per game. Rates really well in some impact metrics, bad in others. Would be an excellent fit for us as a pretty solid defender and floor spacer, especially if Buddy is on his way out the door. I like his game, he played pretty well off Beal/Russ in an obviously limited USG role
 
sactowndog said:
yes though for everyone pointing out Defense Fox has some of the worst ratings on the team
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Oh yeah, Fox is horrible on defense, but he’s shown he’s capable on that end in spurts. So hopefully DM can inspire him a bit there. If not, surround him with those players (McNair has been doing this) and let him continue to carry the load on offense.

I’m still taking the player who’s grown by leaps and bounds over the guy who is basically the same as when he entered the league.

But like I said… Simmons as a point forward WITH Fox and Hali, now you’re talking. Not sure Buddy/Bag(gage) gets that done though.
 
gunks said:
Oh yeah, Fox is horrible on defense, but he’s shown he’s capable on that end in spurts. So hopefully DM can inspire him a bit there. If not, surround him with those players (McNair has been doing this) and let him continue to carry the load on offense.

I’m still taking the player who’s grown by leaps and bounds over the guy who is basically the same as when he entered the league.

But like I said… Simmons as a point forward WITH Fox and Hali, now you’re talking. Not sure Buddy/Bag(gage) gets that done though.
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Pretty sure Buddy/Baggage isn’t close
 
[NBCSports] Ben Simmons reportedly wants to avoid playing for Trail Blazers or Raptors due to “being the young socialite that he is”

In a radio segment with 95.7 The Game in Philadelphia, Jason Dumas of Bleacher Report said the relationship between the Sixers and Simmons is "beyond repair" but the Klutch client does not want to go to Portland.

"He doesn't want to go to a bad situation," said Dumas. "He's reading the tea leaves. He sees Toronto, he sees Portland and then, being frank being the young socialite that he is, he's not looking to go to any of those situations. He's looking to go to the California teams."

I guess I'm officially off of this Ben Simmons bandwagon, I'm gonna be frank, I don't recruit young socialites. :p
Also, Toronto is literally bigger and arguably brighter than Philly lol...
 
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