2011 Lotto Watch

[King-Da-Yah]

They're not FA's but I see Por trading either Wallace or Batum. Batum can't develop with Wallace playing 35 mins per, and Wallace has said he expects to start, and is will still be at a near allstar level for a few years. Add Roy, Matthews, and Fernandez into their wing rotation, and something has to give.

I got it... Jermaine Taylor, Pooh Jeter, and our other 2 draft picks (non top 5 pick) or Wallace. Hmmm, not sure that would work even on 2K11. I will take Wallace though. And the team seems to be turning it on all of a sudden, and Washigton, Toronto and Minny cannot buy a W. The draft gods really need to smile on us this year, and every single player needs to declare.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Not much action at the bottom of the standings today - Toronto came away with the loss against the Clippers and that's it. Charlotte won to clinch a tie with us at worst, earning us three more lotto combos as we inch our way up. Milwaukee and the Clippers will not be far behind.

Kings record: 19-52
Kings max wins: 30
Highest possible lottery position: t-9
Minimum lottery combos: 14
Possible draft range: 1-13
Next team to eliminate us: Charlotte Hornets (30-42)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (14-57, 11 remaining, 8 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-56, 9 remaining, 1 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Washington Wizards (17-54, 11 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Sacramento Kings (19-52, 11 remaining, 1 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Toronto Raptors (20-53, 9 remaining, 5 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
New Jersey Nets (23-48, 11 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 5 at home)

 

[Vlade4GM]

I know that having experience is a negative on this board. Why did you ask? Do you honestly think there are no free agent SFs this year? Perhaps there are none in that close to all star quality not too old and not too young category.

Besides, you obviously already knew.

I just read an article that said what the Kings need. It said a veteran. I agree. I would prefer it be a SF. Heck, I would like to draft a SF and get a SF free agent. I want a veteran and by definition they will be "old." Can't remember the powerhouse in the league, maybe it is Dallas, but they have over half their team and I think well over half that are over 30 years of age. You can prove me wrong but why not offer a suggestion?

Who do you think we should go after?

I don't think Kirilenko is a bad choice in and of itself, but the problem is that we shouldn't be burning up cap space for players that aren't going to be key players once this team contends. It should be spent in more meaningful ways. Perhaps through trade because the FA's this year suck, the well is completely dry.

 

[William Blake]

We should be careful spending money this summer, if a hard cap situation comes with the new CBA it's going to be hard to resign Cousins and Evans if we keep Thornton and Dalembert AND throw good money at a veteran SF.

 

[rainmaker]

We should be careful spending money this summer, if a hard cap situation comes with the new CBA it's going to be hard to resign Cousins and Evans if we keep Thornton and Dalembert AND throw good money at a veteran SF.

That's why I think resinging Dally and Thornton are the priorities, and more important than signing a FA. Resign both, get a quality draft pick, and then re-evaluate. Signing a vet sf wouldn't make me happy if Dally walks.

 

[kingsboi]

That's why I think resinging Dally and Thornton are the priorities, and more important than signing a FA. Resign both, get a quality draft pick, and then re-evaluate. Signing a vet sf wouldn't make me happy if Dally walks.

What are we going to do about JT? If we let him walk we have no big to come off the bench for us, we clearly have size to our advantage so why not keep at it? I'm sure JT won't demand too much, he's going to get something in the 4-5 years 20-22 mil type of contract anyways.

 

[rainmaker]

What are we going to do about JT? If we let him walk we have no big to come off the bench for us, we clearly have size to our advantage so why not keep at it? I'm sure JT won't demand too much, he's going to get something in the 4-5 years 20-22 mil type of contract anyways.

We picked up his option. Next year is year 4 on his rookie contract. Don't have to worry about it for another year.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

What are we going to do about JT? If we let him walk we have no big to come off the bench for us, we clearly have size to our advantage so why not keep at it? I'm sure JT won't demand too much, he's going to get something in the 4-5 years 20-22 mil type of contract anyways.

JT isnt a free agent. We will still have him under contract for next season, and personally I like him as a third big.

 

[Glenn]

I don't think Kirilenko is a bad choice in and of itself, but the problem is that we shouldn't be burning up cap space for players that aren't going to be key players once this team contends. It should be spent in more meaningful ways. Perhaps through trade because the FA's this year suck, the well is completely dry.

When do you think this team will hit its stride? We are on different wave lengths and I guess that is what it is. As to burning up cap space, I think we can build a great team and still be in decent position. If we have $25 mil to spend, which is roughly true, that's two good free agents. Maybe one great and one good.

How long do we wait?

 

[Glenn]

We should be careful spending money this summer, if a hard cap situation comes with the new CBA it's going to be hard to resign Cousins and Evans if we keep Thornton and Dalembert AND throw good money at a veteran SF.

We will have trouble 3 or 4 years in advance but not now. These rookie contracts limit the amount that a real stud can make for many years at the team's discretion.

 

[Vlade4GM]

When do you think this team will hit its stride? We are on different wave lengths and I guess that is what it is. As to burning up cap space, I think we can build a great team and still be in decent position. If we have $25 mil to spend, which is roughly true, that's two good free agents. Maybe one great and one good.

How long do we wait?

I don't think this team is going to hit its stride in the next two years. It may squeak into the playoffs in one of those seasons, but it won't be doing anything substantial over those two years IMO, barring a significant move. It's hard to say though before the draft. I'd rather us use the cap space through trade, or waiting until 2012 where there will probably be better options. There are no great free agents, this free agent class sucks.

 

[Glenn]

I don't think this team is going to hit its stride in the next two years. It may squeak into the playoffs in one of those seasons, but it won't be doing anything substantial over those two years IMO, barring a significant move. It's hard to say though before the draft. I'd rather us use the cap space through trade, or waiting until 2012 where there will probably be better options. There are no great free agents, this free agent class sucks.

I understand. As to it sucking, I don't think we want a star. We have two in the wings.

 

[kingsboi]

We picked up his option. Next year is year 4 on his rookie contract. Don't have to worry about it for another year.

Oh my bad, I don't know why I thought he was a free agent. I think if he keeps playing like he has been mid way through next season, I don't see why we can't give him an extension before the summer of 2012 strikes.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I understand. As to it sucking, I don't think we want a star. We have two in the wings.

I wasn't just speaking about its lack of stars.

 

[Glenn]

I wasn't just speaking about its lack of stars.

I wish when you say what you weren't speaking of you would then add what you were speaking of. I don't want to chase you for your ideas. I don't mean to be mean.

 

[Kingster]

That's why I think resinging Dally and Thornton are the priorities, and more important than signing a FA. Resign both, get a quality draft pick, and then re-evaluate. Signing a vet sf wouldn't make me happy if Dally walks.

If Dally had leadership ability, I'd be totally down with that strategy. But he doesn't, and the consistent talk is about obtaining a vet that can play and has some serious leadership ability. If Dally has to go to get that, that's ok by me. If it's a pipe dream getting "that guy", then fine, stick with Dally.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

No help for us in the lotto watch whatsoever today - a nice (or perhaps lucky) win for us in Philly, and losses for Cleveland, Minnesota, and Washington. That pushes us into fifth place for now. We're definitely playing better, but fortunately most of our opponents in the lottery have significantly easier schedules, and with Milwaukee playing Charlotte tomorrow, we will guaranteed pick up a few combos.

Kings record: 20-52
Kings max wins: 30
Highest possible lottery position: t-9
Minimum lottery combos: 14
Possible draft range: 1-13
Next team to eliminate us: Charlotte Hornets (30-42)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (14-58, 10 remaining, 8 against teams under .500, 4 at home)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-57, 8 remaining, 1 against teams under .500, 4 at home)
Washington Wizards (17-55, 10 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Toronto Raptors (20-53, 9 remaining, 5 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Sacramento Kings (20-52, 10 remaining, 2 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
New Jersey Nets (23-48, 11 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 5 at home)

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Seems like all we have to do to get good news in the lotto watch is not to play. Charlotte won today to eliminate us and guarantee the 9th spot, and the Wizards pulled off an OT win on the road (only their second on the season) against the Jazz. That means three more lotto combos, but from here on out every step up gets more and more significant. We play at home tomorrow, as do New Jersey (Houston) and Cleveland (Miami).

Kings record: 20-52
Kings max wins: 30
Highest possible lottery position: 9
Minimum lottery combos: 17
Possible draft range: 1-12
Next team to eliminate us: Milwaukee Bucks (29-44), Los Angeles Clippers (29-45)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (14-58, 10 remaining, 8 against teams under .500, 4 at home)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-57, 8 remaining, 1 against teams under .500, 4 at home)
Washington Wizards (18-55, 9 remaining, 5 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Toronto Raptors (20-53, 9 remaining, 5 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Sacramento Kings (20-52, 10 remaining, 2 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
New Jersey Nets (23-48, 11 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 5 at home)

 

[Vlade4GM]

I wish when you say what you weren't speaking of you would then add what you were speaking of. I don't want to chase you for your ideas. I don't mean to be mean.

I'm sure you're capable of imagining a tier system of players in the NBA. When I said this free agent class sucks, I'm not just talking of a lack of 1st tier players like Chris Paul, Deron Williams, or Dwight Howard. It also lacks quality 2nd and 3rd tier players, at least ones that would fit our team, or are unrestricted.

 

[Section 101]

I'm sure you're capable of imagining a tier system of players in the NBA. When I said this free agent class sucks, I'm not just talking of a lack of 1st tier players like Chris Paul, Deron Williams, or Dwight Howard. It also lacks quality 2nd and 3rd tier players, at least ones that would fit our team, or are unrestricted.

so if there is a lockout this year you can add in next years too !

 

[Vlade4GM]

so if there is a lockout this year you can add in next years too !

Sweet!

 

[ElRey]

so if there is a lockout this year you can add in next years too !

speaking of lockout. how will next years lottery be handled if there is lockout? will it be based on the same win/loss record as this years? Can it be that we end up in the lottery twice in a row?!

 

[King-Da-Yah]

speaking of lockout. how will next years lottery be handled if there is lockout? will it be based on the same win/loss record as this years? Can it be that we end up in the lottery twice in a row?!

I remember reading that the orde would be the same if there is a lockout.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

The Kings have started to play good, good basketball, and are definitely in danger of finishing sixth in the lottery, now only two wins behind the Deron-Williams-less Nets. At this point, I do not really see Toronto passing us, so we're probably going to end up with 88 or fewer lotto combos.

Kings record: 21-52
Kings max wins: 30
Highest possible lottery position: 9
Minimum lottery combos: 17
Possible draft range: 1-12
Next team to eliminate us: Milwaukee Bucks (29-44), Los Angeles Clippers (29-45)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (15-58, 9 remaining, 8 against teams under .500, 3 at home)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-57, 8 remaining, 1 against teams under .500, 4 at home)
Washington Wizards (18-55, 9 remaining, 5 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Toronto Raptors (20-53, 9 remaining, 5 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Sacramento Kings (21-52, 9 remaining, 2 against teams under .500, 4 at home)
New Jersey Nets (23-49, 10 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 4 at home)

 

[Capt. Factorial]

A strong effort in the first half, was it tired legs in the second half? I don't know. But with our loss and a Milwaukee win, we did pick up some more combos - 18 to be precise, one more than we had up to this point. Still, everybody else who we're still competing with for combos lost as well, and I mean everybody. Clippers should get us soon, and the Pistons ought to get us too, but I still think we're going to pass the Nets for 6th place.

Kings record: 21-53
Kings max wins: 29
Highest possible lottery position: t-7
Minimum lottery combos: 35
Possible draft range: 1-11
Next team to eliminate us: Los Angeles Clippers (29-46)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (15-59, 8 remaining, 7 against teams under .500, 3 at home)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-57, 8 remaining, 1 against teams under .500, 4 at home)
Washington Wizards (18-56, 8 remaining, 5 against teams under .500, 4 at home)
Toronto Raptors (20-54, 8 remaining, 4 against teams under .500, 4 at home)
Sacramento Kings (21-53, 8 remaining, 2 against teams under .500, 4 at home)
New Jersey Nets (23-50, 9 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 4 at home)

 

[Vlade4GM]

We're pretty much blowing it at this point (so to speak), we're just gonna have to rely on good old fashioned luck to get a high pick this time.

 

[est.1999]

Well we stunk it up pretty bad the last two years and came up with horrible spots. And the teams that won the lottery(clipps and wizards) won some games at the finish(sorry, going off selective memory here )

 

[jalfa]

Well we stunk it up pretty bad the last two years and came up with horrible spots. And the teams that won the lottery(clipps and wizards) won some games at the finish(sorry, going off selective memory here )

Don't forget the Bulls three years back, either. For some reason, karma seems to be a factor here and just because of that, fully expect the Kings to have the #1 pick this year

 

[Vlade4GM]

Don't forget the Bulls three years back, either. For some reason, karma seems to be a factor here and just because of that, fully expect the Kings to have the #1 pick this year

They went from 9 to 1 to grab their hometown boy, those lucky jerks.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Wizards won, but Nets lost