We were thinking of going to tonight's game, but chose the Utah game instead. I hope it is better than this one!
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We were thinking of going to tonight's game, but chose the Utah game instead. I hope it is better than this one!
Glenn
Hall of Famer
And expreience. Next year is another year of experience. A PG or SF through the draft and a free agent. We have good bench players. Whether they are here or there, if the Maloofs do what they say they will do, spend money on free agents, there can be a huge jump this year and perhaps more so the next year.
Yes, it is crazy to think we are in the same portion of the standings with the Cavs but it gets us a better drafy pick.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Why do you think were so bad? I mean who do you blame? Do you blame the players? When you look at the talent on the team, do you honestly think the record should be better? And if so, who do you blame? Is is because our team is so young and inexperienced? The 76er's record is 36 and 33. At the moment, they're in the playoffs in the east. Maybe their final record won't be good enough to make the playoffs in the west, but I think we can safely say, that its much better than ours. Lets take a look at the core of that team.
Holiday: age 20
speights: age 23
Meeks: age 23
Young: age 22
Turner: age 22
Williams: age 24
Hawes: age 22
Brackins: age 23
Iguodala: age 27
They also have a few older players that don't play that much, like Nocioni. But the players listed are the future and the heart of that team. Thats a pretty young and inexperienced team. I could show you another one in Houston. A team beset by so many injuries that Adelman is playing mostly young and inexperienced players. So what happened in 76er land that suddenly turned them into a much better team, that plays like a team. I'll tell you. They hired a coach that knows what the hell he's doing.
Hoovtrain
All-Star
Baja, assuming the Kings cut ties with Westphal (which they should), do you think the Maloofs would ever look to try and brink Adelman back? I doubt it, but Rick would be the ideal coach for this team. You look at the skill sets and personalities, it is taylor made for Adelman.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I don't think there's enough money to get Adleman back here and as I undestand it, not all the Maloofs are thrilled with him
Hoovtrain
All-Star
I know, but I'm just saying, if the Lakers could bring back Phil, why can't the Kings bring back Rick. The Lakers(more so Kobe) realized their mistake, it would be nice if the Kings could realize theirs. And I will admit to being one of the people who felt Adelman's time here had passed when they didn't renew his contract, but you never appreciate what you had until it's gone.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Exactly, we do have good bench players. The problem is that 3 out of 5 of them are starting for us when we have Reke and Cousins starting. Well I would consider Dally a starter as well but he is just frustrating as hell to watch, 10 years in the league? Doesn't seem like it.
What we need is to get ourselves another scorer to compliment our duo like Barnes or Williams or if we have a chance at Kyrie I would say you take him.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Who do I blame? I'll tell you who I blame, I blame our idiot of a coach first off and I also would blame our idiotic players, I mean people talk about experience but we have players on our roster that should have plenty of it when you look at it. How long have Beno, Garcia, Dalembert, JT, Donte been in the league? Obviously JT and Donte have been in the league far less than the other three I mentioned but you would think they would get it by now, or hell...atleast one of them.
Now, you know what I think of when I see the Philly roster? Athleticism, and plenty of it. They have players who can get their shots up or are just smart and know how to play the game not just for themselves but with their teammates. Aren't the Grizzlies a fairly young team themselves? Gay, Gasol, Mayo, Young, Arthur, Conley are all young players still while Zach, Tony Allen are their vets.
With all that being said, as many touches as Tyreke and Cousins get during a game, you damn right I expect some good results. I didn't say GREAT, but I do expect them to help the team because they will get the majority of the shots. Problem is, when their off who is going to pick up the slack? That's where the draft and free agency come in handy where we can balance everything out. A new coach would be helpful too that doesn't change starting line ups every week like it's a vending machine and your replacing it with new bags of chips and cookies.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
They say you can never go back. In the case of Adelman thats probably true. Apparently there was little love lost between Adelman and the Maloofs, so I really doubt it..
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I think my point was that we need, not just a new coach, but a good coach. Philly scored a lot of points because they played like a team. They got open shots. Having a good coach matters!!!!!!!! You just said we need to get rid of Jeter and Taylor in another thread, and yet you compain about the Kings not being athletic enough. Taylor is probably the most athletic player on the team. Jeter is a very good athlete. Granted, a diminutive one, but athletic non the less.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Collins >>>>>>> Westphal
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Taylor might be athletic but he doesn't know how to use it to his advantage and be a productive player so it doesn't really matter. Pooh athletic? You had me there sir. o_0
Still, we've got less wins than we did last season, and this is with the same Westphal and a supposed group of better players, unless you mean to tell me that Ime Udoka and Jon Brockman were that important to the team.
You replace Westphal with Sloan, Popovich, Phil jackson etc and you get yourself another 10 wins or so. You tell our guys to frikin make their free throws/ not foul a 3 point shooter/ secure the rebound and we win another 4 or 5. The current record that the team has is the fault of both the coaching staff and the players. Neither are blame-free. I'm not adding in the front office because I'm talking about performing up to expectations. The FO is to blame that we're not in playoff contention. The coaches and players are to blame that we only have 16 wins when we should have at least 20 by now.
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
Do you honestly think this team should be in playoff contention at any time after CWebb's knee injury? Sure we should have more wins this year. There is a certain amount of that that is inexplicable as hard as we try. We have been in more games than not and a simple 5 point better offensive effort could have almost doubled our wins. I don't enjoy it but am not that concerned. It's not the worst thing in the world. I think we'd be better off as a franchise if we won 15 rather than 25. Good times are coming if you remain a fan.
The importance of this year seems to be lost on a lot of people and Brick among others has laid it out for the last 5 years.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Your first sentence makes my point. We have the same coach with what was suspossed to be a better team, but were worse. Hawes actually looked like a player the other night. No, he wasn't great, but he played within the system. Can anyone tell me what our system is? I'm not saying that Pop's, Jackson or Sloan would have guided this team into the playoffs this season, but they would have gotten the players to play to the best of their ability, and they would have laid the ground work for the next year. A foundation to come back and build on. Do you see any kind of system or foundation on which to build? Hell, we don't even have a consistent starting lineup after two years of Westphal at the helm.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Taylor is a young player thats finally getting a chance to play. Do you expect young players that wern't 1st round picks to just come into the league and be polished players? It takes time. A couple of years ago the Kings had a player named Wesley Mathews in on their summer league team. I liked Mathews in college and he played well in summer league. Unfortunately we didn't take a flyer on him and now he's the starting SF for Portland. It took him a couple of years, but he ended up being worth it.
As for you little comment about Jeter, I'm not sure what your implication is. Jeter is the fastest player on the team. His sister is a world class sprinter. He may be small, but that doesn't take away from his athleticism. Maybe your implying that you don't have to be an athlete to be a fast runner. Perhaps you should tell me just what you think the definition of athleticism is.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
This team isn't exactly chock full of Mensas. Garcia and Thompson should be starters on the lowest BB IQ team in the league. Greene hasn't exactly shown his basketball brilliance on the floor. Beno is mediocre for his BB IQ when it comes to point guard. And Cousins may be smart, but he doesn't show it because of his immaturity. I wanted Doug Collins when his name was bandied about, but like some said, his price tag was too great. Others thought he was too hard-a$$ed. I'll take some hard *** on this team though because some of the players seem so dense they have to get hit with a two-by-four to wake up. Bringing up Pop, Jackson and Sloan is just a false choice though. We all know we ain't getting those guys to coach this team.
As an aside, my greatest pet peeve about this team is the casual way they throw the basketball in bounds. Cousins is the greatest culprit. It's not bowling, Cousins. You don't insert your fingers into the ball and roll it to your teamate. You pass with two hands, not one. I do blame the coaching staff for that. It's ridiculous; Collins would never allow that to happen, but then again, he's hard-a$$ed.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I tend to agree with you, and that's why I'd consider Larry Brown for a year or two, but not longterm, although longterm really isn't an option when you're in your 70's. But the discipline Brown would bring, would be a geat foundation for the careers of all our young guns. My biggest problem with Westy is there isn't enough structure in his offense. Too much free lancing.
When you have a young team, you need structure, and defined roles. We don't have that. We have Dally going between the legs 20 ft from the basket. We have Cousins going entire games with out posting up once. We have guards who refuse to dump the ball into the post. We have guys feeding Dally 3 straight possessions dwon the floor. Westy has an offense based on reads. You read what the defense is giving you, and react accordingly.
The problem with that is that it works best with veterean teams, who have experience, and is far worse with young teams, who are finding their way. You can't give inexpereinced players as much leeway. They need structure. They need to come down, set up the offense, and know exactly where the ball is going, and where the shots should be. We don't. It's more of a freewheeling offense, leaving far to much freedom for our young players.
I getting pretty sick and tired of other teams, with less talent, running far more efficient offenses then us. They know who should get the shots, and where those players should get those shots. They know where a player should get the ball, and where they shouldn't. Their players are put in a position to utilize their strengths, not weaknesses. We have the opposite.
I don't see much accountability. When Dally starts launching 15 ft fadeaways, and Cousins continually attacks from 18 ft off the dribble, who's fault is it? Because it happens over, and over, and over again. I don't see Westy getting on Dally or Cousins for setting up that far outside the paint. So is the offense Westy is comfortable with? The guards continually feed Dally/Cousins 15-18ft away, without Westy getting on them, so is that what Westy is looking for in the offense? And that's just one or two examples of what I see regularly. You can blame players for taking/forcing bad shots, but at a certain point you have to ask why are these players consistently getting the ball in a position where they won't succeed?
Glenn
Hall of Famer
The Kings offense is one of life's mystries. There'a less direct affect that having this last train of coaches does: it makes the Kings look like they aren't serious. There already is a Sterling in the league but we look like we are run by the same man. What free agent would willingly want to come here unless offered more money than they are worth? We already have strikes against us that we can't control. We can control who is hired as coach.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Listen, I understand he's young and he barely gets playing time. What makes you think he's going to be on this roster next year? I really wouldn't be surprised if he isn't. We have plenty of players that play his position all ready.
As for Pooh, when I talk about athleticism in terms of basketball, I'm talking about jumping ability and strength.
So speed is useless in basketball? How would you measure strength? Is it because he's not a rim-rocker?
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Speed is just speed, it doesn't mean your athletic. Pretty much yeah, he doesn't use athleticism to get by. He has speed sure but that's it.
As bad as Friday night's game was, this one was good as the Kings crushed the T'Wolves down into second place in the lotto ball race. The Wizards won to keep pace with us, and Toronto also picked up a win, but the Warriors lost, still leaving the door open for the Kings to finish in 11th place for the time being. Plenty of games tomorrow, so things may move around again.
Kings record: 17-51
Kings max wins: 31
Highest possible lottery position: 11
Minimum lottery combos: 8
Possible draft range: 1-14
Next team to eliminate us: Golden State Warriors (30-40)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (13-55, 14 remaining, 9 against teams under .500, 8 at home)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-54, 11 remaining, 1 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Washington Wizards (17-51, 14 remaining, 7 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Sacramento Kings (17-51, 14 remaining, 3 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Toronto Raptors (20-49, 13 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
New Jersey Nets (22-46, 14 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 6 at home)
Kings record: 17-51
Kings max wins: 31
Highest possible lottery position: 11
Minimum lottery combos: 8
Possible draft range: 1-14
Next team to eliminate us: Golden State Warriors (30-40)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (13-55, 14 remaining, 9 against teams under .500, 8 at home)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-54, 11 remaining, 1 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Washington Wizards (17-51, 14 remaining, 7 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Sacramento Kings (17-51, 14 remaining, 3 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Toronto Raptors (20-49, 13 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
New Jersey Nets (22-46, 14 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 6 at home)
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Boogie-havoc
Bench
The only game we needed to loose we won.. goddamit, lol.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
So if your fast, your not athletic. But if your slow and ploding, but you can bench press 300 pounds, your an athlete. I'm done here..
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
If you can leap and use your strength with it, your an athlete.
Kings Fan Gerard
Bench
Man, we go from blowout to blowout, we just can't decide which side we want to be on. Anyway, everybody on our radar who had a game tonight also lost. Golden State, the "next" team to eliminate us for quite some time now, has lost five games in a row and just can't seem to seal the deal. Still, with our loss we have now guaranteed a tie for 10th place (and earned one more guaranteed lotto combo as a result).
Kings record: 17-52
Kings max wins: 30
Highest possible lottery position: t-10
Minimum lottery combos: 9
Possible draft range: 1-14
Next team to eliminate us: Golden State Warriors (30-41)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (13-56, 13 remaining, 9 against teams under .500, 7 at home)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-54, 11 remaining, 1 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Sacramento Kings (17-52, 13 remaining, 3 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Washington Wizards (17-51, 14 remaining, 7 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Toronto Raptors (20-50, 12 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
New Jersey Nets (22-47, 13 remaining, 5 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Kings record: 17-52
Kings max wins: 30
Highest possible lottery position: t-10
Minimum lottery combos: 9
Possible draft range: 1-14
Next team to eliminate us: Golden State Warriors (30-41)
Current Competition:
Cleveland Cavaliers (13-56, 13 remaining, 9 against teams under .500, 7 at home)
Minnesota Timberwolves (17-54, 11 remaining, 1 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Sacramento Kings (17-52, 13 remaining, 3 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Washington Wizards (17-51, 14 remaining, 7 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
Toronto Raptors (20-50, 12 remaining, 6 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
New Jersey Nets (22-47, 13 remaining, 5 against teams under .500, 5 at home)
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