Kings trading Evans for Vasquez/Lopez

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jalfa

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that turned to crap pretty fast. when McLemore was draften I was worried it would spell the end of Reke, until PDA made noises about starting the two of them together. had they acquired another shooter and trotted out a lineup of say

Reke
McLemore
Wright
PPat
Cuz

this would've intrigued me. space the floor and let your two best players finally work out a two man game (there were beginnings of that even under Smart until it was inexplicably thrown out). it wouldn't have been a sustainable lineup, what with the lack of frontline defense, but it would've been a start, but now...I don't appreciate letting go of Tyreke plain and simple, this organisation has been doing its best to suppress his development and he still was willing to come back on a reasonable deal, after turning in a season that should have made even the most jaded of you admit that he's on the right track again (guess I was wrong about that though). I'm not completely beyond hope for our new front office, but if the last two days set the tone for what's in store for us, this won't be a very fun ride.
 
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If true, then this FO has much more guts and vision than I expected. Petrie would have just matched the offer, maybe even add some extra cream on top a la Bibby's offer. Reke is a special talent but he is also one of the most frustrating players to watch. If he returns, good; if he leaves, no problem.

This is Cousins' team now. Let's remember that. Everyone has to play off of Cousins, everyone. And there were many times during the last few seasons when it seemed obvious to me that Reke is one guy who doesn't know how too play off of Cousins.

I think in Reke's role in NO will suit him a lot more - as the #3 guy as a starter or a dynamic Sixth Man. He also has a form fitting PG next to him and big men who compliments his driving ability. He could blow up in NO. In Sac, there would have been much more work to get guys that can both fit Reke and Cousins. Plus, there is also the McLemore situation, as in, he's a special talent to and he needs the mins.

Bottom line is that this team has too much shooting and mediocre in everything else. This trade, if true, will greatly balance the team and make it more competitive. Keep your eyes on the most important thing - winning.

And also, I believe there will be more moves to come. So judge the whole and not just a part.

Would I prefer we get more for Reke? Sure. But letting Reke go, that in and of itself is not a bad move.
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I agree with you. Time will tell if this would succeed or not, but sometimes you need to make the hard choice in order to get better.
 
ockingsfan

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WOW! Not good to trade a BEAST in Tyreke for two role players. You don't win in the NBA with role players.

If you are going to trade Reke, at least get a First Round pick or get rid of Salmons contract.

How about asking for Vasquez, Lopez AND Ryan Anderson for Tyreke and Salmons.

Otherwise, keep Tyreke and see what he can do under new coach Malone.
 
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Čarolija said:
When you get everyone from run and gun teams that believe in jump shooting you are not going to go far. A perennial 7th or 8th seed and while some would be happy with that, I am not!

We ****ed up! Plain and simple! It's becoming more and more clear that we are run by bull**** artists that are quickly running out of bull****! This is Maloofian way! Well done!
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You really think they spent 535 mill just to try to lose? These guys come from succesful backgrounds, give them a chance. Just because they disagree with you doesn't mean they're bs artists or similar to the Maloofs.

Just because we're trying to get better shooters doesn't mean we don't care about defense. Part of building around a good big man is giving him good shooters to space the floor. Having a traditional PG and better shooters should help DMC be more efficient on offense. Not to mention everyone always whines about needing a shot blocker, and we get one in Lopez who averages 1.6 blocks per game in only 25 MPG, and now everyone is upset about that.

People need to calm down. We still have cap room, we still have Demarcus, McLemore has quite a bit of potential, Vasquez and Lopez are not bad players, Thornton is still an asset we can trade, same with IT. The sky is not falling just because the team got rid of a player you liked people.
 
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Yeah I have no problem with the move at all tbh, it was about getting pieces that fit naturally, showing Cousins for now he's the clear cut #1 and showing faith in young gun Big Mac like the person above me said we still got cap space and tradable pieces this can still turn out nice if not this year next year. The team has far more flexibility and I'm excited change has taken place to see where it goes. Got to save the bitching if a). The team sucks hard b). Reke goes berserk.
 
Bricklayer

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BMiller52 said:
You really think they spent 535 mill just to try to lose? These guys come from succesful backgrounds, give them a chance.
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That gets thrown out a lot, but its irrelevant. PDA was somebody's pet rodent they kept stashed in the basement crouched over an adding machine. Vivek is the head of a software company. Neither resume qualifies one as some great bball guru by default. In fact the only NBA pedigreed part fo the braintrust, Malone, apparently wanted Reke back.

Most NBA guys "come from successful backgrounds". Hell, the Maloofs came from a successful background. So did Petrie. You judge whether all their successful backgrorunds mean a damn thing for basketball acumen by how they perform. This was the first test for a totally unproven front office, and first results are back: little Petey peed his pants at the sight of his first big contract. Maybe twice actually given the Igoudala debacle the day before.


P.S. Just to be clear here, I do not mind the players we are getting back. If we were swinging Thornton to the Pelicans for that duo (and the contracts closely match), I would say "good trade". That's not what we did.
 
KingsFanGER

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Yeah I have no problem with the move at all tbh, it was about getting pieces that fit naturally, showing Cousins for now he's the clear cut #1 and showing faith in young gun Big Mac like the person above me said we still got cap space and tradable pieces this can still turn out nice if not this year next year. The team has far more flexibility and I'm excited change has taken place to see where it goes. Got to save the bitching if a). The team sucks hard b). Reke goes berserk.
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I have no problem trading Evans too. But i feel like the Kings havent got something of great value in return. Thats what is causing me to be upset. Evans is a 23 year old SG with great potential and we get a questionable PG and a role-playing C in return. Lopez might be a shotblocker, but he wont play alongside Cousins very often, if we face frontcourts with quick PF's.
 
NewArena

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BMiller52 said:
You really think they spent 535 mill just to try to lose? These guys come from succesful backgrounds, give them a chance. Just because they disagree with you doesn't mean they're bs artists or similar to the Maloofs.

Just because we're trying to get better shooters doesn't mean we don't care about defense. Part of building around a good big man is giving him good shooters to space the floor. Having a traditional PG and better shooters should help DMC be more efficient on offense. Not to mention everyone always whines about needing a shot blocker, and we get one in Lopez who averages 1.6 blocks per game in only 25 MPG, and now everyone is upset about that.

People need to calm down. We still have cap room, we still have Demarcus, McLemore has quite a bit of potential, Vasquez and Lopez are not bad players, Thornton is still an asset we can trade, same with IT. The sky is not falling just because the team got rid of a player you liked people.
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its not just about getting rid of a player we liked

You just got rid of one of the best players in the league, in terms of breaking down a defense and getting to the basket. The innate ability to do so. That can't be taught.

Oh! And he's a pretty DAMN good defender as well. Now? Jump shooters. And I'm supposed to be happy or optimistic? I guess they want the good ole days of three point shooting, and the foreign players with pretty smiles and sexy behind the back passes ..

Without the whole 60 win thing
 
NewArena

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The philosophy is what we're all worried about here. So far, it's kinda apparent as to what that is. Is it all that different from Petrie? I'm sure he's giggling somewhere as we speak
 
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Reports that Tyreke Evans has been traded to the Pelicans for Greivis Vasquez and Robin Lopez are completely false.

I don't know if it's a reliable source anyways.
 
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People need to chill. So many of you spent countless hours complaining about how the team doesn't move the ball and that we don't have a legit shot blocker. Well to get that you have to give up something. Can't believe all the crying. This was a twenty win team w tyreke who apparently is the second coming.
 
Bricklayer

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Reports that Tyreke Evans has been traded to the Pelicans for Greivis Vasquez and Robin Lopez are completely false.

I don't know if it's a reliable source anyways.
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Sigh.

Here's a scenario for you: the Kings entire front office is new. They have no working relationships with local media like Ailene. Ailene though is known to agents. Tyreke's agent was threatening the Kings for his own purposes -- offer Reke more than the Pelicans' $11mil/yr, or I'll send him to Memphis and send you back this prearranged package of my other guys. We didn't up the $11mil/meet his deadline. Now he wants to force his sign and trade as threatened. He slips Ailene that info. Internet goes wild.

Now of course unfortunuately Ailene is no idiot or common rumormongerer. When she rumor mongers, she does so for her own purposes -- making up fantasies that suit her own preferences. In other words, unless this was a reflection of her preference for pure PGs over Reke, she seems an unlikely stooge for an agent, and its more likely her sources are valid front office stuff. So while my scenario would be grand...sounds like a stretch even to me. :p

P.S. Interesting note: that twitter handle appears to be a legit source. So somebody has bad info. Still think its more likely these guys just haven't been told yet or are operating on the technicality that the deal is not formalized, but...
 
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Bricklayer

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jdbraver said:
People need to chill. So many of you spent countless hours complaining about how the team doesn't move the ball and that we don't have a legit shot blocker. Well to get that you have to give up something. Can't believe all the crying. This was a twenty win team w tyreke who apparently is the second coming.
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No, this was a 20 win team with a ball and chain around Reke's ankles. There was a major improvement coming by doing nothing more than letting him loose again.

People who keep repeating our record and them associating Reke with it are ignoring this: if Dwayne Wade was on the team last year, and Smart used him like he used Reke, we still wouldn't have won 35. That was the problem. you want to blame Reke, then give him the ball and let him fail you. Don't take the ball, have him stand aside so garbage players can chuck up garbage shots, and then come back later and say see? We didn't win with Reke. Well of course you didn't. You didn't use him.
 
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Sac.Kings

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Man, I woke up to this?!
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Exactly my thoughts. I wish this was a nightmare... Tyreke traded for a backup C and a PG that can't shoot or defend... all for a coach that preaches defense. I would have rather kept Tyreke and added Calderon as a backup PG for mentoring purposes.
 
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No, this was a 20 win team with a ball and chain around Reke's ankles. There was a major improvement coming by doing nothing more than letting him loose again.

People who keep repeating our record and them associating Reke with it are ignoring this: if Dwayne Wade was on the team last year, and Smart used him like he used Reke, we still wouldn't have won 35. That was the problem. you want to blame Reke, then give him the ball and let him fail you. Don't take the ball, have him stand aside so garbage players can chuck up garbage shots, and then come back later and say see? We didn't win with Reke. Well of course you didn't. You didn't use him.
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I must have a mistaken view cuz I swear when he played point he dribbled the clock down to seven before jacking up a shot or turning it over. I'm sure the coaching staff is to blame for not telling him to move the ball.
 
Sac.Kings

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Pretty easy to see the vision the FO has... although I think their vision and the roster as it stands is weak. They brought in a pass first PG to get the ball to McLemore and Cousins down low, got a backup C to for defensive purposes, and got rid of our most efficient two way guard to do so. As I stated in the Iggy thread when I was in panic mode (who would have thought it would be true), the FO is 100% banking on McLemore becoming a star and was very clearly willing to lose Tyreke in the process. Summary:

Pass first PG
Sweet shooting SG and lob master
? (needs to be defensive and a good shooter)
? Lopez/someone else (PPat would be my choice)
Cousins (the beast down low)
 
ParniValjak

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Bricklayer said:
That gets thrown out a lot, but its irrelevant. PDA was somebody's pet rodent they kept stashed in the basement crouched over an adding machine. Vivek is the head of a software company. Neither resume qualifies one as some great bball guru by default. In fact the only NBA pedigreed part fo the braintrust, Malone, apparently wanted Reke back.

Most NBA guys "come from successful backgrounds". Hell, the Maloofs came from a successful background. So did Petrie. You judge whether all their successful backgrorunds mean a damn thing for basketball acumen by how they perform. This was the first test for a totally unproven front office, and first results are back: little Petey peed his pants at the sight of his first big contract. Maybe twice actually given the Igoudala debacle the day before.


P.S. Just to be clear here, I do not mind the players we are getting back. If we were swinging Thornton to the Pelicans for that duo (and the contracts closely match), I would say "good trade". That's not what we did.
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Precisely the point! The little basketball acumen these man have is the head coach and by all reports he wanted Tyreke back but the number crunchers froze at the first sign of spending big money!

As you said, nothing wrong with the players we are getting but everything wrong with the player we are giving up to get them! It's obviously a very risky move from the front office. They want to strike it big in the draft next year's draft and the only way to do that is sabotage the season. We won't be signing anyone of significance. We won't be trading for anyone of significance! We are playing a gambler's game of russian roulette. It either works our brilliantly and we get ridiculously lucky or we are the new Clippers of the NBA.

Given the amount of bull**** we have been paddled already, I would not be surprised if we traded Cousins because we don't think he is currently worth the max and we don't want to overpay for talent. Cap flexibility is more important you know! :rolleyes:
 
ockingsfan

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If PDA was so hot for Iggy and almost gave him 4yr/52mil, why not keep a younger and more potential Tyreke for 4yr/44mil and put him in at Small Forward and get a pass first point guard.

Tyreke can play PG, SG, and SF. Tyreke is almost an Iggy clone and still has the potential to be better.

If you try Tyreke at PG and he does not fit, you can always slide him over to Small Forward and he will be as good if not better than Iggy (and less expensive).

Come on Vivek and PDA, GIVE REKE A CHANCE!!!
 
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jdbraver said:
I must have a mistaken view cuz I swear when he played point he dribbled the clock down to seven before jacking up a shot or turning it over. I'm sure the coaching staff is to blame for not telling him to move the ball.
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You do indeed have a mistaken view. That nonsense is so old it makes me wonder if you have watched a game in two years.

Reke was efficient as hell last year. "Jacked up" very few shots, roughly half as many away from the rim as he did as a rookie. He turned it over fewer than 2 times a game.

There are various camps of Reek naysayers, but the most unnecessary are the lazy ones who made up their mind while he was 20 and just have never bothered to look at what has gone on since.
 
Mass

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The only problem I see with this deal is that it doesn't look like we are getting the best possible package for Tyreke. The FO doesn't think he will be part of our future? Ok, I may disagree but I can understand. So, if they are willing to lose him in a sign and trade with NO, why they just don't match the offer, sign him for 4/44 and then explore the market? I mean, in the worst case, if we don't find any taker, we could always trade Tyreke for Vasquez and Lopez. But, maybe, we would be able to get something better (Rondo?!?). I don't know, I was just thinking about our options, and this is what I would do.
I only have a question. If we sign Tyreke, would we be able to trade him right away or is there some rules that would not allow it?
 
Sac.Kings

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If PDA was so hot for Iggy and almost gave him 4yr/52mil, why not keep a younger and more potential Tyreke for 4yr/44mil and put him in at Small Forward and get a pass first point guard.

Tyreke can play PG, SG, and SF. Tyreke is almost an Iggy clone and still has the potential to be better.

If you try Tyreke at PG and he does not fit, you can always slide him over to Small Forward and he will be as good if not better than Iggy (and less expensive).

Come on Vivek and PDA, GIVE REKE A CHANCE!!!
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Tyreke may have the size to play some SF, but he isn't a SF. It was a terrible idea last season and would continue to be. It takes away from his strengths too much and puts him in a position to fail. Every game he would be guarding a bigger SF. He would be worn out by all star break. Regardless, it doesn't matter anymore.. he's gone and we have to deal with the cards that were dealt to us.
 
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Bricklayer said:
You do indeed have a mistaken view. That nonsense is so old it makes me wonder if you have watched a game in two years.

Reke was efficient as hell last year. "Jacked up" very few shots, roughly half as many away from the rim as he did as a rookie. He turned it over fewer than 2 times a game.

There are various camps of Reek naysayers, but the most unnecessary are the lazy ones who made up their mind while he was 20 and just have never bothered to look at what has gone on since.
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My mistake we had great ball movement ur right...he was only efficient cuz he wasn't the primary ball handler. This trade gets us that and a defensive big.
 
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