Here's one way to look at it, we've been paying Tyreke below market value to play for us for the past 4 seasons because of the rookie deal. Even if we have to overpay a bit for the next 4 years, the net total is probably a fair value. The production he's already giving us is probably worth that $11M a year deal New Orleans offered. If you believe that he's going to continue to get better, then signing him long-term for that amount looks even better. This is all contingent on how Malone and D'Alessandro plan to construct the roster though. We all have our opinions, but this is going to come down to where they believe Tyreke fits alongside our other long-term assets. I know my first question if I were Tyreke would be about drafting two guards and where they plan to put him in the rotation. Nothing to do really but wait and see.
And It Begins....Pelicans About to Talk to Tyreke Evans
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this remains the big sticking point. we have no idea of ranadive's interest-level in tyreke evans. thus far, he's lavished praise upon demarcus cousins and ben mclemore, but tonight's meeting represents the first significant sit-down with kings' brass and tyreke evans on the business of his future with the kings. d'allesandro has spoken of evans' talent, but has been non-commital about what that talent may or may not mean going forward. after all, there's quite a bit of difference between "considering matching the offer if [evans] agrees to sign it" and enthusiastically wanting to retain his services...
i would think that, after tonight, we should know if evans will remain a king or not. he's probably looking to sign with a team that really wants him. rumors are that NO envisions him in a sixth man role, and i'm not convinced that 'reke would consider that an ideal scenario. if they're serious, detroit strikes me as a desirable suitor for evans, as they have cap space and a significant starting role available, not to mention that joe dumars prizes physically dominant players like 'reke...
i would think that, after tonight, we should know if evans will remain a king or not. he's probably looking to sign with a team that really wants him. rumors are that NO envisions him in a sixth man role, and i'm not convinced that 'reke would consider that an ideal scenario. if they're serious, detroit strikes me as a desirable suitor for evans, as they have cap space and a significant starting role available, not to mention that joe dumars prizes physically dominant players like 'reke...
I doubt that. For one, Lopez's decision date is July 5th - in the middle of the moratorium. They've got to make a decision one way or the other before Tyreke can officially sign anyway. But even ignoring that, remember two years back when Golden State amnestied Charlie Bell to make an offer sheet to DeAndre Jordan? They didn't get to make that amnesty contingent on non-match.
Now, if Lopez's decision date were later, the Pelicans could wait to waive him until 'Reke was ready to sign on the dotted line. That is, teams are allowed to extend offers that they don't have the cap space to actually sign at that point in time - but the cap space must be there at the time of signing and turning the contract in to the league office. And that rule extends to signed offer sheets, too. You don't get a mulligan on cutting a guy.
Now, if Lopez's decision date were later, the Pelicans could wait to waive him until 'Reke was ready to sign on the dotted line. That is, teams are allowed to extend offers that they don't have the cap space to actually sign at that point in time - but the cap space must be there at the time of signing and turning the contract in to the league office. And that rule extends to signed offer sheets, too. You don't get a mulligan on cutting a guy.
Roughly sums it up.
$11mil does not even make me blink. You know what $11mil is? Its the current values of Reke and Salmons' contracts combined. Is there a person on this board who thinks the Kings would be worse off if John retired tomorrow and gave his salary to Reke instead? Didn't think so. $11mil is a number I can get out of Reke by doing nothing more than coaching him and getting him a couple extra shots. Its entirely consistent with the market, his expected production, contracts handed out to competitors etc.
And no, accepting lesser talents in return is not acceptable. Well its acceptable as a great long term strategy for mediocrity, but otherwise, no. We've had half a decade of first hand experience around here about what happens when you refuse to pony up for the good stuff, and try to make do with generic filler instead.
$11mil does not even make me blink. You know what $11mil is? Its the current values of Reke and Salmons' contracts combined. Is there a person on this board who thinks the Kings would be worse off if John retired tomorrow and gave his salary to Reke instead? Didn't think so. $11mil is a number I can get out of Reke by doing nothing more than coaching him and getting him a couple extra shots. Its entirely consistent with the market, his expected production, contracts handed out to competitors etc.
And no, accepting lesser talents in return is not acceptable. Well its acceptable as a great long term strategy for mediocrity, but otherwise, no. We've had half a decade of first hand experience around here about what happens when you refuse to pony up for the good stuff, and try to make do with generic filler instead.
Interesting that the Kings are meeting with him after. Not sure if you need to meet if you're either going to straight up match or if you're going to let him walk. My guess is that they counter with an offer of slightly less than the $11 million/year or whatever the Pelicans have on the table, but over five years instead of four.
Seems he did, moved into a new house, positive tweets about ownership, positive tweets about Sac by his brother, working out in Sac and showing up at events, but then there's tweets from others which suggest something different, whether it's CD's tweets or Jason Jones implying Reke was hoping Sac would be there with an initial offer last night.
Tyreke is hardly the sort of drama queen to refuse to play ala Vince Carter or force his way out ala Melo. And basically unless the Kings have managed to insult him so badly he decides, appropriately I might add, I don't need this, I've never doubted he wanted to come back. Mildly surprising really given some of the fan conduct toward him. He's a lowkey loyal guy who looks to be much more about just finding a comfortable home than basking in suitors flirting with him.
Depends on what you call "recent indication." Carmichael Dave was contacted by Evans people, who told him Evans wanted to stay in Sacramento.
So much of this is just your typical "first day of free agency" stuff that goes on between strong free agents with really good agents. So far, I think our front office has played it exactly right. See what someone else is willing to offer (seriously) before sitting down and discussing the options.
So much of this is just your typical "first day of free agency" stuff that goes on between strong free agents with really good agents. So far, I think our front office has played it exactly right. See what someone else is willing to offer (seriously) before sitting down and discussing the options.
Being at the rally. JUST buying a house (before new contract signed).
His brothers tweeting he'll retire a King...
I'd say those are some indications.
My question is, how would any player (aside from a few elites), if being properly used, not be super excited to play for this owenership, in a new arena, revitatlized town, amazing fan base, global plans....
Oh, and I also think $11 mil is COMPLETELY reasonable, even though I was suggesting they'll try to talk him down a bit.
His brothers tweeting he'll retire a King...
I'd say those are some indications.
My question is, how would any player (aside from a few elites), if being properly used, not be super excited to play for this owenership, in a new arena, revitatlized town, amazing fan base, global plans....
Oh, and I also think $11 mil is COMPLETELY reasonable, even though I was suggesting they'll try to talk him down a bit.
I feel the same way about all the guards left in FA. The best ones (Teague, Jennings, Ellis, Mayo), and sadly those are the best guards left, are all going to be looking for deals in the 8-10 M range at least. To pay Reke a couple M more is a no brainer.
The league really has very few available guards (through FA or likely trades) that have his talent at his age. Not sure how you replace him or why you would even try over a couple million.
The league really has very few available guards (through FA or likely trades) that have his talent at his age. Not sure how you replace him or why you would even try over a couple million.
I guess it depends of the long term plans. Going for the playoffs this season? Do you resign 'Reke this offseason and go after Iggy too at the risk of maxing out cap space in the future, and probably lose their 2014 draft pick to the Cavs?
Or do you let Tyreke walk, save capspace, let DMC and MLM develop a season together and probably have another top 7 pick next season?
I lean to going for it right now because I think they could have a legit team, but I think DMC's contract looms large in the next season(s) and also having another 11+ million contract on the books (Tyreke) hurts going after other high-level pieces.
Or do you let Tyreke walk, save capspace, let DMC and MLM develop a season together and probably have another top 7 pick next season?
I lean to going for it right now because I think they could have a legit team, but I think DMC's contract looms large in the next season(s) and also having another 11+ million contract on the books (Tyreke) hurts going after other high-level pieces.
I just don't know that high level pieces would be needed or reasonable to get. With development, good coaching and proper support pieces I think a Reke/Mac/Iggy/JT or Pat/Cousins lineup with good pieces on the bench could be extremely competitive, especially if Mac develops into anywhere close to his potential.
We were sold for years that we wanted to preserve cap space for a big signing. They don't happen here. If we could lock up Evans and Iggy this offseason and Cousins next, you'd have 3 guys in the 10-15 M range plus some real young talent. Not sure what else a market like Sacramento can do.
We were sold for years that we wanted to preserve cap space for a big signing. They don't happen here. If we could lock up Evans and Iggy this offseason and Cousins next, you'd have 3 guys in the 10-15 M range plus some real young talent. Not sure what else a market like Sacramento can do.
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