And It Begins....Pelicans About to Talk to Tyreke Evans

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rainmaker

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I hear what you're saying, but the Pelicans will be able to dumb that salary no problem. Someone will take Vasquez, Lopez, or even Rivers. Hell, someone will the Eric Gordon, too.

If PDA doesn't want Evans, he better get something for him.
There's no talent available that can do what Reke can do, not only for the team but for a backcourt partner in MLM.

Vasquez doesn't come close, despite some thinking he's some worthy replacement.
 
SMH should have locked him up last summer when we had the chance, with curry at 44m he would have come in at a little less, definately not more like he might now.
 
Jason Jones
I'm told the Evans offer sheet is worth between $44-$50 million based on incentives. Numbers not solid, but range makes sense.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2XpbDvS2J

The 4yr, $44 million offer from the Pelicans to Tyreke Evans will not surprise the Kings front office.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2XpbJSCCk


At USAToday (via Sam Amick): Tyreke Evans may be heading to New Orleans after Pelicans offer four-year, $44 mil deal -

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2Xpbm89er
 
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I fear Kings FO may be grossly underrating Evans and grossly overrating Iguodala. Iggy will likely get a similar or bigger deal, and he's not as good as Evans. Maxed out potential, less versatile, etc. We aren't winning a title next year. Get the younger guy with more potential who will likely come cheaper.
I agree that Reke is a better player than Iggy and has higher potential. I'm a Reke fan.

But right now it depends on the position that our FO thinks Tyreke should play.

If they think he is a SG, then they will most likely let him walk because we drafted BMac. If the FO thinks Reke is a SF, then they are most likely going to let him walk as PDA and staff has hinted they are looking for upgrade at SF. So really the only way the Kings pays big money to keep Tyreke is if they believe he can be the PG of our team's future. I hope they do.
 

funkykingston

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$10 mil for Reke is pretty steep. Personally, I'd let him walk...but I've never been a big fan anyways.

And while I am a fan of Iguodala's, I'm weary of making long-term commitments to older players of his ilk (driving/penetrating power players); their knees take so much more wear and tear than other players and they tend to decline in their waning 20s/early 30s very, very quickly. Iggy might be an overpaid, low % three-point shooter by the end of his contract.

One question: is Holiday untouchable? Would not mind a S&T with Reke for Holiday...that would be quite the steal...
New Orleans just traded Nerlens Noel AND next year's 1st rounder for Holiday. He's not going anywhere, let alone in a sign-and-trade for a guy that they can simply sign outright.

My problem is even if they don't falter, I don't think IT/Mac/Iggy/JT/Cousins is better than Reke/Mac/Salmons/JT/Cousins.
More importantly, Tyreke can be a sure thing. Match the offer sheet and he's a King. With Iguodala you're competing with half a dozen other teams, including the Nuggets who can exceed the cap to sign him.

As I said in the other thread, if the Kings could really clear the capspace for Iguodala while keeping Evans, they'd also have the room to sign Dorrell Wright and Dalembert instead. Personally I think a Reke/McLemore/Wright/Cousins/Dalembert lineup with JT/Patterson and IT off the bench would be competing for a playoff spot next season. AND you'd likely still have a couple trade assets (Jimmer, Thornton, Patterson if they weren't dealt for caproom already) and some dead money coming off the books in a couple years (Outlaw, Hayes) just when Dalembert's deal should also expire.
 
There's no talent available that can do what Reke can do, not only for the team but for a backcourt partner in MLM.

Vasquez doesn't come close, despite some thinking he's some worthy replacement.
I agree with you on Vasquez. It's not about replacing, it's about getting something for a guy you aren't keeping anyway.

A quick way to make a bad move worse would be if we let Evans walk for nothing. If you decide that $$$ is too much, well I disagree with you PDA, but at least get an asset for him. And the Pelicans don't even have a 1st round pick next year to trade.

I strongly disagree with the road we are heading down.
 

rainmaker

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Tyreke Evans would have loved an offer from the Kings instead of waiting for team to match a deal. Pelicans showed interest, made offer


If true, doesn't make our new FO look that good. I do wonder why NO jumped to the front of the line and got in there before PDA/Vivek. Detroit as well coming up next.
 
I agree that Reke is a better player than Iggy and has higher potential. I'm a Reke fan.

But right now it depends on the position that our FO thinks Tyreke should play.

If they think he is a SG, then they will most likely let him walk because we drafted BMac. If the FO thinks Reke is a SF, then they are most likely going to let him walk as PDA and staff has hinted they are looking for upgrade at SF. So really the only way the Kings pays big money to keep Tyreke is if they believe he can be the PG of our team's future. I hope they do.
I think the even more telling this is that NO is willing to pay for a talent like Reke even though they are set in the backcourt. Its a smart move as they are compiling good young pieces that they can move to fill other needs.
 

Spike

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Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones 8m
Tyreke Evans would have loved an offer from the Kings instead of waiting for team to match a deal. Pelicans showed interest, made offer


If true, doesn't make our new FO look that good. I do wonder why NO jumped to the front of the line and got in there before PDA/Vivek. Detroit as well coming up next.
Ouch.
 

bajaden

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Reke is meeting with Detroit next. Could be a good landing spot. He'd probably get to play point, which I think he wants, they have a ton of cap room, and they have some good young pieces. Not sure what if anything we'd get back in a sign and trade.
The Pistons have the ability to come in with a big offer, and they have serious need as well. They're a little over 24 million under the cap, and they've been talking about moving Knight to SG. Anyway you look at it, Knight and Tyreke on the floor together looks good on paper to go along with Monroe and Drummond. Depending on how bad they want Tyreke, they could offer around 12 mil a year, and still have 12 mil left to go after other freeagents. Besides that, they have 17 mil coming off the books after this coming season when Monroe becomes a restricted freeagent.
 
Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones 8m
Tyreke Evans would have loved an offer from the Kings instead of waiting for team to match a deal. Pelicans showed interest, made offer


If true, doesn't make our new FO look that good. I do wonder why NO jumped to the front of the line and got in there before PDA/Vivek. Detroit as well coming up next.
My guess is CD's sources were on to something which makes me seriously question our new FO.
 

rainmaker

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I agree with you on Vasquez. It's not about replacing, it's about getting something for a guy you aren't keeping anyway.

A quick way to make a bad move worse would be if we let Evans walk for nothing. If you decide that $$$ is too much, well I disagree with you PDA, but at least get an asset for him. And the Pelicans don't even have a 1st round pick next year to trade.

I strongly disagree with the road we are heading down.
I wouldn't want Vasquez clogging up our backcourt. Then we'd just have yet another guard in our backcourt who is a poor penetrator, not a good defender and doesn't bring what Reke can. I'd prefer the cap space and at least attempt to bring in a guard who can do what Reke can, but that's extremely unlikely too.
 
Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones 8m
Tyreke Evans would have loved an offer from the Kings instead of waiting for team to match a deal. Pelicans showed interest, made offer


If true, doesn't make our new FO look that good. I do wonder why NO jumped to the front of the line and got in there before PDA/Vivek. Detroit as well coming up next.
Why would the FO make the first move and offer a contract when they can simply match any deal? It makes no sense to make the first offer when they have the right to match any contract offered and see what the market for Evans is before overpaying him.
 

Kingster

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Jason Jones
I'm told the Evans offer sheet is worth between $44-$50 million based on incentives. Numbers not solid, but range makes sense.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2XpbDvS2J

The 4yr, $44 million offer from the Pelicans to Tyreke Evans will not surprise the Kings front office.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2XpbJSCCk


At USAToday (via Sam Amick): Tyreke Evans may be heading to New Orleans after Pelicans offer four-year, $44 mil deal -

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2Xpbm89er
I wouldn't match. He's passed my $10 mill (and Gary got left in the dust at $9.5 mill:D). So NO is going to play a bench guy $11 mill per year? They must have seen Tyreke lighting it up against Utah a couple of years ago. By the way, Jamaal Crawford, probably the best 6th man of in the NBA over the past few years, signed with the Clipps in 2012 for $25 mill over 4 years.
 
Jason Jones ‏@mr_jasonjones 8m
Tyreke Evans would have loved an offer from the Kings instead of waiting for team to match a deal. Pelicans showed interest, made offer


If true, doesn't make our new FO look that good. I do wonder why NO jumped to the front of the line and got in there before PDA/Vivek. Detroit as well coming up next.
Even if true, who cares. We cannot overpay for talent just to make them feel good. We should be letting the market set the price since we didn't sign him to an extension last summer like we should have. As a RFA we can match any offer.
 
Why would the FO make the first move and offer a contract when they can simply match any deal? It makes not sense to make the first offer when they have the right to match any contract offered and see what the market for Evans is before overpaying him.
Well, if you show a guy that wan't to stay in Sac some early love, you may be able to lock him up for a more reasonable deal. If they had come in with a 4 years, 40M deal Reke may have taken it. Reke can still look around but you've at least shown interest.

The point is the way it sounds from tweets, we didn't even make an initial offer.
 

HndsmCelt

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Well it's about what I thought it would be. If we want to keep talent we will have to over pay for it. If you were ok with Reek at 10, you can't cry much about 11. On the bright side if the Kings pay or pass quick, they will at least remove the cap hold and can move forward on signing a SF (who we will have to over pay as well)
 
I wouldn't match. He's passed my $10 mill (and Gary got left in the dust at $9.5 mill:D). So NO is going to play a bench guy $11 mill per year? They must have seen Tyreke lighting it up against Utah a couple of years ago. By the way, Jamaal Crawford, probably the best 6th man of in the NBA over the past few years, signed with the Clipps in 2012 for $25 mill over 4 years.
This must be a good day for you. Now you can watch IT lead this team to a championship.
 

rainmaker

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Why would the FO make the first move and offer a contract when they can simply match any deal? It makes no sense to make the first offer when they have the right to match any contract offered and see what the market for Evans is before overpaying him.
You do it if Reke wanted to stay here and was looking for a good first offer from us.

What makes no sense is you leaving out the human element.
 

bajaden

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If it's 4/40 or 4/45 and Tyreke signs it, that's a no-brainer. Match that contract and it's over, we don't have to wait for other teams to bid the price up. Anything at $10-12M a year is a fair deal for him. And the sooner we get him signed the better. He can return to Sacramento and keep working out without any distractions.
What you and I think is a fair deal man not be what new management thinks is a fair deal. I hope I'm wrong, but my gut tells me that the Kings won't touch 12 mil a year, or anything close to it.
 
New Orleans just traded Nerlens Noel AND next year's 1st rounder for Holiday. He's not going anywhere, let alone in a sign-and-trade for a guy that they can simply sign outright.



More importantly, Tyreke can be a sure thing. Match the offer sheet and he's a King. With Iguodala you're competing with half a dozen other teams, including the Nuggets who can exceed the cap to sign him.

As I said in the other thread, if the Kings could really clear the capspace for Iguodala while keeping Evans, they'd also have the room to sign Dorrell Wright and Dalembert instead. Personally I think a Reke/McLemore/Wright/Cousins/Dalembert lineup with JT/Patterson and IT off the bench would be competing for a playoff spot next season. AND you'd likely still have a couple trade assets (Jimmer, Thornton, Patterson if they weren't dealt for caproom already) and some dead money coming off the books in a couple years (Outlaw, Hayes) just when Dalembert's deal should also expire.
I really think this is the most feasible offseason plan. I also think it gives the team some good balance 1-5 and from the bench. At this point i would rather just match the Tyreke offer then go for what you have laid out.
 
You do it if Reke wanted to stay here and was looking for a good first offer from us.

What makes no sense is you leaving out the human element.
95% of players will sign with a team that pays them the most. Am I missing the human element in that?

Just as easily, the Kings could have offered Tyreke a 4/$36 million deal. NO counter offers and then Tyreke sees the Kings original offer as a slap in the face. How's that a human element for you?
 
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