Kings have reached an agreement in principle to make Pete D'Alessandro GM
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Iguodala is 29 which means his next contract will likely take him through the rest of his prime and into his decline. Cousins isn't yet 23. Makes little sense to tie up big money in a guy who will be past his best years as DeMarcus enters his.
Tyreke may or may not be the right guy to pair with Cousins but he's certainly at a better age/stage of his career in that regard. And very well may come cheaper too.
Tyreke may or may not be the right guy to pair with Cousins but he's certainly at a better age/stage of his career in that regard. And very well may come cheaper too.
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I'm hoping he figures out a way to work some deals that free up enough salary to both keep Reke and acquire someone like Iggy. For a small market with no free agent appeal, having a core of Cousins, Iggy and Evans tied in to 10-15M deals over the next 4 years could be really nice. Surround them in the backcourt with defensive shooters, add a shot blocker and you've got a great core.
If we could pull that off, we'd quickly become a small market WITH free market appeal. And, for the first time in years, I'm not automatically ruling something like that out because of our cheap-azz ownership. 
Yeah the blueprint for successful small market teams have mostly been to build through the draft and trades, with the occasional core veteran free agent signing to round out your roster. Iguodala could be that core veteran for us.
I wanna hunt down Kevin Johnson and give him a humongous hug for saving our Kings.
I wanna hunt down Vivek Ranadive and give him a humongous hug for buying our Kings.
I wanna hunt down Vivek Ranadive and give him a second humongous hug for hiring Mike Malone.
I wanna hunt down Vivek Ranadive and give him a third humongous hug for hiring Pete D'Alessandro.
I don't know about you all out there, but I am really starting to really like this new ownership group we got in Sacramento. Although no games have been played under this ownership, you can already feel the positive vibe and energy that is just circulating the streets of Sacramento, and its surrounding areas. It's almost like a virus of some sort has been injected into the city of Sacramento.
Oh and if anyone was wondering......
I WILL hunt down Vivek Ranadive and give him a fourth humongous hug when we win our first championship in Sacramento.
I wanna hunt down Vivek Ranadive and give him a humongous hug for buying our Kings.
I wanna hunt down Vivek Ranadive and give him a second humongous hug for hiring Mike Malone.
I wanna hunt down Vivek Ranadive and give him a third humongous hug for hiring Pete D'Alessandro.
I don't know about you all out there, but I am really starting to really like this new ownership group we got in Sacramento. Although no games have been played under this ownership, you can already feel the positive vibe and energy that is just circulating the streets of Sacramento, and its surrounding areas. It's almost like a virus of some sort has been injected into the city of Sacramento.
Oh and if anyone was wondering......
I WILL hunt down Vivek Ranadive and give him a fourth humongous hug when we win our first championship in Sacramento.
Pete D'Alessandro sounds like a smart guy. I have no idea what his evaluation of talent is like as stats don't tell the whole story. I still think we will hire a consultant or a team president in addition to getting D'Alessandro.
We probably won't be able to genuinely judge his work for 3 years especially when it comes to drafting.
We probably won't be able to genuinely judge his work for 3 years especially when it comes to drafting.
I can certainly see your point! The question is, what does this team need the most? In my opinion, its mature veteran leadership that will be respected. That means you need someone thats a proven commodity, and a star, or near star player in the league. If thats what your looking for, in most cases, that means your looking for a player thats been in the league for 8 to 10 years. Someone thats played in an all star game perhaps. And someone that plays the game the way your particular franchise wants to play. That means your looking at players that are somewhere between 28 and 31 years old. That means your possibly talking about Iggy.
He's the exact type of player you want to put on the court next to Cousins. He's a winner, and thats not to say that Cousins or Tyreke aren't, its to say that they haven't done it at this level yet, and Iggy has. One of the pluses is that Iggy has been very durable during his career. Of course I realize that he's just one knee injury from being a dead weight instead of a game changer. But at some point, a franchise has to make some bold moves to shake off the dirt and kick over the headstone. Iggy isn't the only way, but he is one way, and someone that I think should be considered. If possible!
He's the exact type of player you want to put on the court next to Cousins. He's a winner, and thats not to say that Cousins or Tyreke aren't, its to say that they haven't done it at this level yet, and Iggy has. One of the pluses is that Iggy has been very durable during his career. Of course I realize that he's just one knee injury from being a dead weight instead of a game changer. But at some point, a franchise has to make some bold moves to shake off the dirt and kick over the headstone. Iggy isn't the only way, but he is one way, and someone that I think should be considered. If possible!
As everyone else here, it seems, I am completely thrilled! Hiring a defensive minded head coach and now a GM who can work with a small salary cap, Vivek has made some very good decisions (it seems, we might have to wait in order to make a final decision) and I feel like he is taking the team in the right direction.
Yep, one of the things King need is veteran leadership. I think that is even more important the long term strategy for the Kings.
Kings are not in win now mode and it will take at least 2-3 seasons to clear up cap mess and be serious (potentially) contender.
It does not make too much sense to me to pay 3-4 mil more for a guy who will be past his peak in 2-3 seasons and get rid of the player that has potential AND current capabilities to be second major piece of Kings championship contender few years down the road.
I know that stats do not tell the whole story, but here is comparison between Iggy's career stats vs Reke's last season stats adjusted for 20% less playing time:
Reb 5.3 vs 5.3
Ast 4.9 vs 4.2
To 2.4 vs 2.4
Stl 1.7 vs 1.7
Blk .5 vs .5
Pts 15.1 vs 18.2
3pt .9 vs .8
fg% 46 vs 47.8
ft% 72.4 vs 77.5
3pt% 32.9 vs 33.8
I would keep Evans and look for veteran leadership from some of the players on the declining side that have couple of seasons left in them but have history. Folks like what was Grant Hill 2-3 years ago.
Use those extra 3-4 mills to lure them on short 1-2 years contract.
They cannot all play for Miami
Leaving 16Mil on the table, Iggy will without doubt look for long term expensive contract.
Just for giggles, how about 35+ years old Paul Pierce whose contract expires next year and might be available this year if rumors are true. Doubt there will be many suitors ready to throw 3-4 years Iggy type money at him. Might be possible signing him for couple of years and keeping Reke.
Do not think that has much chance of happening but makes more sense to me than replacing Reke with Iggy.
Kings are not in win now mode and it will take at least 2-3 seasons to clear up cap mess and be serious (potentially) contender.
It does not make too much sense to me to pay 3-4 mil more for a guy who will be past his peak in 2-3 seasons and get rid of the player that has potential AND current capabilities to be second major piece of Kings championship contender few years down the road.
I know that stats do not tell the whole story, but here is comparison between Iggy's career stats vs Reke's last season stats adjusted for 20% less playing time:
Reb 5.3 vs 5.3
Ast 4.9 vs 4.2
To 2.4 vs 2.4
Stl 1.7 vs 1.7
Blk .5 vs .5
Pts 15.1 vs 18.2
3pt .9 vs .8
fg% 46 vs 47.8
ft% 72.4 vs 77.5
3pt% 32.9 vs 33.8
I would keep Evans and look for veteran leadership from some of the players on the declining side that have couple of seasons left in them but have history. Folks like what was Grant Hill 2-3 years ago.
Use those extra 3-4 mills to lure them on short 1-2 years contract.
They cannot all play for Miami
Leaving 16Mil on the table, Iggy will without doubt look for long term expensive contract.
Just for giggles, how about 35+ years old Paul Pierce whose contract expires next year and might be available this year if rumors are true. Doubt there will be many suitors ready to throw 3-4 years Iggy type money at him. Might be possible signing him for couple of years and keeping Reke.
Do not think that has much chance of happening but makes more sense to me than replacing Reke with Iggy.
Yep, one of the things King need is veteran leadership. I think that is even more important the long term strategy for the Kings.
Kings are not in win now mode and it will take at least 2-3 seasons to clear up cap mess and be serious (potentially) contender.
It does not make too much sense to me to pay 3-4 mil more for a guy who will be past his peak in 2-3 seasons and get rid of the player that has potential AND current capabilities to be second major piece of Kings championship contender few years down the road.
I know that stats do not tell the whole story, but here is comparison between Iggy's career stats vs Reke's last season stats adjusted for 20% less playing time:
Reb 5.3 vs 5.3
Ast 4.9 vs 4.2
To 2.4 vs 2.4
Stl 1.7 vs 1.7
Blk .5 vs .5
Pts 15.1 vs 18.2
3pt .9 vs .8
fg% 46 vs 47.8
ft% 72.4 vs 77.5
3pt% 32.9 vs 33.8
I would keep Evans and look for veteran leadership from some of the players on the declining side that have couple of seasons left in them but have history. Folks like what was Grant Hill 2-3 years ago.
Use those extra 3-4 mills to lure them on short 1-2 years contract.
They cannot all play for Miami
Leaving 16Mil on the table, Iggy will without doubt look for long term expensive contract.
Just for giggles, how about 35+ years old Paul Pierce whose contract expires next year and might be available this year if rumors are true. Doubt there will be many suitors ready to throw 3-4 years Iggy type money at him. Might be possible signing him for couple of years and keeping Reke.
Do not think that has much chance of happening but makes more sense to me than replacing Reke with Iggy.
Kings are not in win now mode and it will take at least 2-3 seasons to clear up cap mess and be serious (potentially) contender.
It does not make too much sense to me to pay 3-4 mil more for a guy who will be past his peak in 2-3 seasons and get rid of the player that has potential AND current capabilities to be second major piece of Kings championship contender few years down the road.
I know that stats do not tell the whole story, but here is comparison between Iggy's career stats vs Reke's last season stats adjusted for 20% less playing time:
Reb 5.3 vs 5.3
Ast 4.9 vs 4.2
To 2.4 vs 2.4
Stl 1.7 vs 1.7
Blk .5 vs .5
Pts 15.1 vs 18.2
3pt .9 vs .8
fg% 46 vs 47.8
ft% 72.4 vs 77.5
3pt% 32.9 vs 33.8
I would keep Evans and look for veteran leadership from some of the players on the declining side that have couple of seasons left in them but have history. Folks like what was Grant Hill 2-3 years ago.
Use those extra 3-4 mills to lure them on short 1-2 years contract.
They cannot all play for Miami
Leaving 16Mil on the table, Iggy will without doubt look for long term expensive contract.
Just for giggles, how about 35+ years old Paul Pierce whose contract expires next year and might be available this year if rumors are true. Doubt there will be many suitors ready to throw 3-4 years Iggy type money at him. Might be possible signing him for couple of years and keeping Reke.
Do not think that has much chance of happening but makes more sense to me than replacing Reke with Iggy.
Man, it's so refreshing seeing us being ran by a real professional. People were complaining about some of the names we were bringing in, but a good employer will give himself a variety of different options to choose from and then go get the employee he wants. We're bringing in guys who all have the same vision which should hopefully translate into a much improved product on the floor
We are not on the same page. Iggy could add that vet leadership and put us into a good position to compete. I don't understand what we should wait for. I understand you want Cuz and Tyreke to peak along with the vet but actually they will and with Iggy, they may peak a little earlier because of his influence. Tyreke's outside shot has improved a great deal and I expect it to improve more next year. Cuz is closing in on being the best center. We need playoff experience at the minimum. Iggy would put us there next year. I'd be shocked if we didn't make it next year with him. In three years we would have a bunch of guys experienced with each other and that counts for something.
If we could get Iggy and keep Reke, I would agree with you.
I do not see that realistically possible (hope I am wrong), and in this thread it was explicitly stated that it is preferable to replace Reke with Iggy which is what I am replying to.
Replacing Reke with Iggy.... do not see current roster as being in playoffs.
Right now we have 9 mil in dead weight that will be off the books in 2 years (Hayes + Outlaw). I excluded Salmons since his money will go to Cousins. Couple of seasons for new coaching philosophy to take in and for new front office to fill in fitting personnel... that is why I am talking about 2 seasons time frame.
Again, if we are able to add player of Iggy's caliber and fit in addition to Reke and Cus I am all for it. Even next year we would be talking playoffs.
Pulling that off would be one miracle toward Vivek's sainthood.
I do not see that realistically possible (hope I am wrong), and in this thread it was explicitly stated that it is preferable to replace Reke with Iggy which is what I am replying to.
Replacing Reke with Iggy.... do not see current roster as being in playoffs.
Right now we have 9 mil in dead weight that will be off the books in 2 years (Hayes + Outlaw). I excluded Salmons since his money will go to Cousins. Couple of seasons for new coaching philosophy to take in and for new front office to fill in fitting personnel... that is why I am talking about 2 seasons time frame.
Again, if we are able to add player of Iggy's caliber and fit in addition to Reke and Cus I am all for it. Even next year we would be talking playoffs.
Pulling that off would be one miracle toward Vivek's sainthood.
