[Grades] Grades v. Nuggets 03/05/2013

Which meanie Nugget just kept killing us until we were mostly dead?

  • Gallinari

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Fareid

    Votes: 9 50.0%
  • Lawson

    Votes: 4 22.2%
  • Miller

    Votes: 5 27.8%

  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#1
Well, another day, another team drops 120 on us. I am into serious counting down the days mode here. Not until the team moves, because I am thinking there is a good chance for it to be saved. But rather counting down the days until a new regime takes over, and just praying that it believes in defense. We've endured this for something like 8yrs now. No sane, rational, non-Petrie person could possibly justify making decisions to keep a team so bad on defense for so long. Its gotten so bad even the notoriously defensively blind and eternally homer Kings announcers have started bringing it up. When Jerry Reynolds makes a concerted effort to criticize lack fo defense (without ever actually talking legitimately about solutions) you know you done bad.

This time it was at least interesting. Some grading highlights you will hear about:
-- how DeMarcus Cousins has one of his worst offenisve games of his career, can't hit anything, including FTs, but gets nasty, rebounds, blocks, passes, almost gets in a fight, and somehow I'm not going to trash his grade too bad because he was doing the other things.
-- how Marcus Thornton continues his ridiculous hot streak, to the tune of scoring another 32 points draining a variety of bad shots you should not take...unless you are Kobe Bryant or Marcus Thornton on a hot streak. How hot is he? In the last 5 games now he has scored 131pts, which is 26.2ppg for you math majors, and is more points than he scored in the entire month of December (125), January (100) or February before the hot streak (96).
-- how IT and MT gaveth and tooketh away on offense and defense as Lawson and Miller ran rampant through our paint
-- how John Salmons boxscore is an illusion as he couldn't hit anything all night until the very end
-- how Reke was chicken and egg, fugly because he was frozen out, or frozen out because he was fugly
-- how JT completely carried us in the early going and all of our big guys displayed uncommon hustle and energy on the night as our little guys chucked away
-- How Isaiah tried to make it another 1 on 1 battle with Ty Lawson, for better sometimes and worse others
-- how the struggle continued for Jimmer
-- how with the game still within reach Coach, um, Smart, suddenly decided to play the stretch run with a 4 guard lineup

If you're going to lose, make it colorful I suppose.

Full Grading Consortium for tonight:
Bricklayer
Capt. Factorial
bajaden


Boxscore

Stats: 32min 11pts (4-9, 3-7, 0-0) 4reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 2TO
Salmons ( C- ) -- Strangely, John started off this game almost exactly the same way he started the last one. By missing every shot he took. Unfortunately, he didn't suddenly catch fire in the second half except for a couple of late three's. He started off nicely with a drive and dish to JT under the basket for a dunk. But then he missed an open three, and followed that up by missing another open three. He finally scored by cutting down the lane and catching a pass by Jimmer for a layin. And that was about it for the 1st half, other than chasing Galinari around the floor all night when he was in there. Very tough job for Salmons, considering the height disadvantage.. John stated the 2nd half with a bad pass for a turnover. He followed that by fouling Gallinari on a fast break. That sent him to the bench. John got back in the game with 10:46 left in the 4th quarter. He picked up where he left off by missing a corner three. He then hit a corner three after which he drove into a crowd and had the ball stolen. He ended his time on the floor by hitting two more three's. So once again he sort of got hot in the second half, but it was too little too late. --Baja

Stats: 29min 18pts (9-11, 0-0, 0-0) 6reb 2ast 1stl 0blk 2TO
Thompson ( B ) -- JT was on his way to an A after the first half. He started off dunking the ball off a nice pass from Salmons. He then took an outlet and blasted by two defenders on his way to the basket and laid it in. Two possessions later, he drove the baseline and scored on a reverse layup. Everything was working for JT in the first half as he took a pass in the key, spinned and layed it in. A bit later he posted up Faried and scored over him. And just to show he had other weapons, he scored on a floater in the key. After sitting on the bench for a while, he came back in and hit a 14 footer on a pass from Cuz. His only mistake was when he bobbled a pass under the basket and had it stolen. He didn't fare as well in the second half. He started by missing a little flip shot right at the basket. In fairness to him, he got the ball with one second left on the shot clock. It wasn't much later that he fouled Lawson for his 4th foul and went to the bench. By the time he returned the Kings were trying to dig themselves out of a hole. His return was marred by setting an illegal screen on Lawson, who fortunately, struggled at the freethrow line tonight. He finished strong with a spin move in the post and flipping it in, and a cut to the basket for a layup. Jt played very well tonight offensively. He didn't rebound as well as one would have liked, but he was one of the bright spots, and certainly not responsible for the loss. --Baja

Stats: 27min 8pts (1-12, 0-1, 6-10) 13reb 3ast 0stl 5blk 3TO
Cousins ( C- ) -- loooked a little wild and out of control from the beginning of this one. Was strong on the glass and really snatching them, but just looked out of sorts on offense in almost everyway. Think there was again some frustration wiht his guards as Reke and IT both took some really idiotic selfish shots, but the malaise went deeper than that. Seemed to revert to his rookie ways, trying to throw up too quick groundbound off balance prayers inside (the of balance was helped considerably by Koufos who was banging him wihtout manywhistle reprecussions), and he wasn't doing that, he was throwing up broke jumpers. Here is the thing though, the point I have been making about this game -- Cuz wears his emotions on his sleeves and he was obviously frustrated as hell out there. But he channeled it inot something useful this time as he was angry and hustling on defense to a very uncommon degree with him, recording a career high 5 blocked shots, taking a charge on another, grabbing 13 rebounds, and really at least trying to do the right thing with the pass as he notched 3 assists and set up Salmons for several more wide open shots which the Fish bricked (John's numbers in this one are a complete illusion -- he missed multiple wide open setups from Reke and Cuz all game long until it didn't matter anymore). But even with the hustle play Cuz looked out of sorts and out of rhtyhm. On one of the blocks he blocked the shot, grabbed the rebound, then tried to rumble fullcourt as the leader of the break and ended up pikcing up the offensive foul ploughing into a pile of Nuggets like a bowling ball knocking aside pins. Was the victim of some very physical fouling play in the third from Koufos, as the refs blew some calls and the game got chippee in an almost playoff manner. generally a good thing in my eyes, but both teams have to be aware that's the way its going to be called. Cousins got upset enough that at one point after Koufos pulled him out of the air and to the gorund, and chandler fell on top of him, that he sprang up and had to be restrained by JT. Finally got his first and only hit on a tip follow that barely rattled in late in the third, and well he kept on rebounding and tipping ballas, all fo a sudden he looked like JT in there (JT himself ironically carried us early and was able to work exremely efficiently on a 9-11 night). Even his FTs wouldn't fall on a most frustating night. Ended up sitting out the final 8+ min of the game as Smart smallballed us into obliviion, but despite his many struggles I think he was doing too much and had too much potential to do more to hold him out so we could play 4 guards. Fortunately the coach will likely be working in a paper hat and asking do you want fries with that by this time next year.--Brick

Stats: 32min 7pts (2-5, 1-4, 2-2) 1reb 2ast 0stl 0blk 2TO
Evans ( F ) -- Tyreke had a completely lackluster game out there tonight. He started out by hitting a three on the first possession and then scored four points (on four more shots) for the rest of the game. The most memorable of those shots was a one-on-one three pointer that missed badly. To that great offensive line he added a whole one rebound and two assists to go along with two turnovers. both of his turnovers, by the way, were really bad. On the first he made an incredibly bad pass that led to a fast-break layup and on the other he lost the ball on a drive, ill-advisedly trying to split two defenders who were joined at the hip, then immediately fouled Lawson to give up free throws. Defensively, the results weren't horrible (11 points on 10 shots), but some of the particulars weren't so hot. Oddly enough, Gallinari was practically wearing him on a made jumper, yet on the play where Tyreke fell for the fake and ran past Gallo, he missed the wide-open three. Iguodala didn't really do much on the evening, but I don't think it was so much because Tyreke was locking him down (I didn't really see much evidence of that) just that the Nuggets were going elsewhere. Iggy did blow right past Tyreke in the first quarter and earn FTs on a play where it looked like Evans didn't give even half effort. Just a really poor showing out there. If Tyreke is supposed to be the fifth-best starter then maybe this is the kind of game we ought to expect. But I don't think Tyreke is only the fifth-best starter on our team and my expectations are much higher. We'll see if he can bounce back tomorrow night.--Capt.
 
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Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#2
Stats: 34min 23pts (6-13, 3-6, 8-9) 3reb 8ast 1stl 1blk 2TO
Thomas ( B ) -- On offense, Isaiah is beginning to prove himself to be a very valuable player. As much as I'd like to say he's shooting too much, when you score 23 points on 17 shots, that's practically green-light territory. His drive was very effective today, including one play where completely destroyed Lawson on a crossover to ultimately draw a foul at the rim. He had about 5-6 nice passes on the drive-and-kick, though several resulted in missed shots. I would point out, however, that on the first score of the game where he kicked out to Tyreke for three he also had JT wide open in front of him on the baseline for an absolute dunk - and hitting JT for an open dunk is the play you make 100 out of 100 times unless it's the last minute of the game and you're down. Take the guaranteed points. Still, when he goes 3-6 on threes and gets 8 assists (and at least 5 missists - so it's not like he was black holing it out there) it's hard to find too much to complain about on the offensive side. I'm not sure what to think about his defense tonight. The Nuggets definitely took it at him, repeatedly shaking him off on screens (resulting in 6 points) and driving around him (Lawson six times, Andre Miller twice). At the same time, he did manage to stay in front of Lawson four times, which really is an improvement, and he did have at least two other pretty nice defensive plays. On one he made a very solid weakside rotation down into the paint when Hayes got caught out on the perimeter and prevented an open lane for Faried until Hayes was able to get back down low. On another he got switched onto Gallinari, and Danilo tried to maneuver him in the post for a while before deciding to kick it out - somehow he's pesky in the post on players who have nearly a full foot on him. Ultimately he allowed 17 points on 13 shots, which isn't great, but I would note that three of those points were on a Lawson jumper where IT was taken out of the play by an unintentional chop block by Gallinari that inexplicably was not called an offensive foul. Take that out and the results were OK, even if it did take some nice blocks by Cuz to save his bacon a few times. Good on offense, up and down on defense, I guess that's a B. --Capt.


Bench

Stats: 20min 2pts (1-4, 0-0, 0-0) 7reb 1ast 1stl 0blk 1TO
Hayes ( D+ ) -- Chuck, who usually very effecient, had a difficult time tonight. He wasn't terrible, but I think the matchups were difficult for him. He spent part of his time on the floor guarding McGee, and at times got caught in switches where he ended up guarding Gallinari, a player thats way too athletic for him. He joined Cousins in the get your shot blocked club. He did score a layup on a nice pass from Thornton, but in general, I thought Chuck was rushing things a bit tonght. But having a shotblocker looking over your shoulder will do that to you. His little postup hookshot wasn't falling, and he threw some errant passes, one for a turnover. He did put in the effort though and managed to pull down 7 boards. Not a typical night for Chuck, but it happens, and sometimes the other team has some influence on that outcome. --Baja

Stats: 35min 32pts (12-21, 5-11, 3-3) 4reb 2ast 0stl 1blk 1TO
Thornton ( A- ) -- in the early going followed the same pattern as the starting guards, beginning with an easy open hit, then started taking progressively tougher looks including forcing a terrible attempt into a doule team to close the quarter rather than pass it to Jimmer. Hard to get the ball with Johnson out there, but when IT returned he immediately drove and dished to MT for a three, and on the night it began to look a little like last year where the one guy IT consistently seemed to look for was MT and there seeemd to be an understanding between them. Started getting layuos from Cousins on the break as the half came to a close, although in the first half it was largely a one dimensional effort with an empty boxscore aside from FGA. But when he returned after half it was right back into that same zone he has been in for the past 5 games, nto only as a scorer, but as a more aggressive all around force on the boards and court. Took a bad shot for anyone but Kobe to start the 4th, a heavily contested 1 on 1 step back jumper, but right now he is Kobe, and he hit it. And he would repeatedly just square guys up and drain long jumpers on them throughout the quarter as he exploded once more. Finsihed a tough +1 in the mid quarter as well as we hung around. But his issues on the other end of court would also have a say in this one as in our every guard on our roster Smart special lineup late, MT's job was to check Andre Miller, and he just couldn't stay in front of him at all as Miller lived in our paint, nor effectively challenge Denver's shooters as we got tattooed on defense again. --Brick

Stats: 12min 4pts (1-5, 0-1, 2-2) 0reb 2ast 2stl 0blk 0TO
Fredette ( D+ ) -- came in and played good defense on Miller on a postup, and made a good assist the other way on the break. Unfortunately those were to be his highlights again. In the first half generally did an ok job of setting guys up as the Nuggets didn't jump his dribble too badly, but with his own offense he was just lost once again, missing open shots, really struggling to create/decide when other shots were good shots, and generally looking almsot as uncomfortable as Boogie with his offense. Finally hit his only shot in some brief minutes in the early 4th, but defensive issues helped limit that stint and he was back to the bench pretty quickly to watch virtually every other guard on the team get to close the game out together. Did get to be out there instead of Douglas, but he's got to make his argument more forcefully or you could see it devolving into another nonsense platoon like he had with Brooks. --Brick

Stats: 11min 4pts (2-3, 0-1, 2-2) 2reb 0ast 0stl 0blk 1TO
Patterson ( C+ ) -- I was tempted to give Patrick a INC. He only played 11 minutes, and it seemed that the moment he started to get into a flow, he was sent to the bench. I thought he was playing very well in the first half. He didn't start off that well when he overdribbled trying to post up and had the ball stolen. But he battled under the basket on the offensive side, batting missed shots back out to his teammates. In one sequence, he grabbed a rebound and hit a 15 footer. He was also playing good defense, stopping the ball in the lane, and rotating well. He also scored a layup on a nice pass from Jimmer. At this point he went to the bench, and James Johnson, who was stinking up the place, stayed in the game. In god's name why? Arrrgh! He got into the second half with 10:15 left in the game. He missed a corner three, and a bit later he was fouled on an over the back and went to the line where he made both freethrows. I didn't keep track of how many minutes he played in the second half, but it couldn't have been more than a couple. Its very hard to get into a flow in that short a period of time --Baja

Stats: 8min 2pts (1-2, 0-0, 0-0) 3reb 1ast 0stl 0blk 3TO
Johnson ( F ) -- I don't care that he only played 7.5 minutes - anybody that makes three bad passes for turnovers (none of which really had a chance to connect and the last of which was ridiculously to nobody gets an F. Mercifully he didn't play again after his putrid second-quarter outing. --Capt.
 
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#6
Did the Kings play better than they did last against the Nuggets? Anything positive to say about that? The season isn't over for some of us. I'm not counting the days. I don't give a rat's XXX right now where we draft. I even have the terrible disease of liking this team.
 
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KingMilz

Guest
#8
What happened with Cousins today? Did he get into a fight with McGee or with fans or what?
Nah got mad cause he was getting owned by players with 1/2 the talent and kept taking it soft to the rim getting rejected and missing badly, had a few chippy moments but nothing serious.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#9
What happened with Cousins today? Did he get into a fight with McGee or with fans or what?

You can ignore Andre.

Cousins worked his *** of but was never settled on offense, out of rhythm, got hacked several times on non-calls, lost his focus etc. But on top of that he simply did not have his shot/touch tonight. The jumpers were off from the beginning. The FTs were off. The tips bounced out. Largely just one of those games, but like I said above he seemed to channel at least some of the frustration into strong boardwork and his career best shotblocking night.
 

CruzDude

Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
#10
How often does it seem that under the basket, most if not all of Cuz's shots seem like he shoots to get the foul and not shooting to score 2 points. No other explanation makes any sense. Also how is it the Kings shoot so bad on so many open shots when the other team seems to make most of them? Just wondering..............:confused:
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#12
Nah got mad cause he was getting owned by players with 1/2 the talent and kept taking it soft to the rim getting rejected and missing badly, had a few chippy moments but nothing serious.
That sir, is pure BS, and you know it. He missed some chippys for sure, and then forced up some shots in traffic that he probably shouldn't have. They were collapsing on Cuz all night in the post and just wasn't anything there. He tried hitting some outside shots and they wern't falling either. It was just one of those nights.
 
#14
This Patrick Patterson stuff is starting to frustrate me, again.

Why isn't he playing more? I know the stock answer I'll get is 'He has to learn the system!' to which I will always answer - what system? He was a starting PF for a playoff team and now he is our 4th big. Mind you I don't think he actually 'is' a starting PF for a playoff team, but he should be getting more minutes here. We should be seeing what he can do for us. Hayes is who Hayes will always be. We start JT and Cousins, two guys who can play center, so putting Patterson in first for one of them makes a lot more sense than bringing in your theoretical third center, Hayes.

The more time Patterson spends on the bench, the worse this trade looks. But maybe no one cares anymore, anyway.
 
#15
-- how Marcus Thornton continues his ridiculous hot streak, to the tune of scoring another 32 points draining a variety of bad shots you should not take...unless you are Kobe Bryant or Marcus Thornton on a hot streak. How hot is he? In the last 5 games now he has scored 131pts, which is 26.2ppg for you math majors, and is more points than he scored in the entire month of December (125), January (100) or February before the hot streak (96).
-- how IT and MT gaveth and tooketh away on offense and defense as Lawson and Miller ran rampant through our paint
-- how Reke was chicken and egg, fugly because he was frozen out, or frozen out because he was fugly
This is all the love MT can get after his recent run? Sure, it's taken him too long to adapt to his bench role, but in fairness, how do you send your best offensive option on a bad team that didn't add any new parts to the bench? And what will it take for you to see that Reke has steadily digressed into one of the worst players in the entire league, and all the hate he gets is he's 'fugly'. Come on, he grinds the team to a halt when he gets the ball, gives no effort on D, especially in transition... Have you ever seen anyone walk more on a basketball court than Reke. He hardly breaks a sweat most games, unless he's going 1 on 1. and since I'm being fair, a better coach won't put up with his lackadaisical effort, will demand more, and might be able to get him back to his rookie year playing level...
 
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LWP777

Guest
#16
He'll stop talking about Smart when you stop talking about Cousins! :D
The difference is that Keith Smart is irrelevant to this franchise. He will be in the coaching graveyard along with Kenny Natt, Reggie Theus, Eric Musselman and Paul Westphal after this year. So what's the point in talking about him every single game?

Cousins, on the other hand, will most likely be around for a while and is the single most important asset this franchise has. That, along with his explosive behavior, makes him much more interesting to talk about.
 
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LWP777

Guest
#18
This Patrick Patterson stuff is starting to frustrate me, again.

Why isn't he playing more? I know the stock answer I'll get is 'He has to learn the system!' to which I will always answer - what system? He was a starting PF for a playoff team and now he is our 4th big. Mind you I don't think he actually 'is' a starting PF for a playoff team, but he should be getting more minutes here. We should be seeing what he can do for us. Hayes is who Hayes will always be. We start JT and Cousins, two guys who can play center, so putting Patterson in first for one of them makes a lot more sense than bringing in your theoretical third center, Hayes.

The more time Patterson spends on the bench, the worse this trade looks. But maybe no one cares anymore, anyway.
I agree 100%. It's ridiculous. I guess the trade was all about saving the Magoofs a few bucks before they sell. Like you said, we really should be seeing PP before Hayes and I'd even make the argument that he's a better player than JT. At the very least, he's a different player.

Nothing makes sense around here anymore. It's like being in the Twilight Zone.
 
#19
This is all the love MT can get after his recent run? Sure, it's taken him too long to adapt to his bench role, but in fairness, how do you send your best offensive option on a bad team that didn't add any new parts to the bench? And what will it take for you to see that Reke has steadily digressed into one of the worst players in the entire league, and all the hate he gets is he's 'fugly'. Come on, he grinds the team to a halt when he gets the ball, gives no effort on D, especially in transition... Have you ever seen anyone walk more on a basketball court than Reke. He hardly breaks a sweat most games, unless he's going 1 on 1. and since I'm being fair, a better coach won't put up with his lackadaisical effort, will demand more, and might be able to get him back to his rookie year playing level...
OK, you take Thornton and I'll take Evans. Now that was easy, you're happy and I'm happy.
 

Warhawk

Give blood and save a life!
Staff member
#21
I committed to 1 game and followed through with it. But if you're wondering, DMC gets a D+ tonight.

You kinda miss my grades, don't you?
Nope - as I told you, I don't pay any attention to them. You were just practically begging to do them on a regular basis and then backed out to one night only. Just wondering why you b**** and moan so much about something and then drop it so quickly.....
 
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Kingsguy881

Guest
#22
I agree 100%. It's ridiculous. I guess the trade was all about saving the Magoofs a few bucks before they sell. Like you said, we really should be seeing PP before Hayes and I'd even make the argument that he's a better player than JT. At the very least, he's a different player.

Nothing makes sense around here anymore. It's like being in the Twilight Zone.
Are you the creature on the wing?
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#24
How often does it seem that under the basket, most if not all of Cuz's shots seem like he shoots to get the foul and not shooting to score 2 points. No other explanation makes any sense. Also how is it the Kings shoot so bad on so many open shots when the other team seems to make most of them? Just wondering..............:confused:
Do you want an answer? OK! "I don't know" but your observation is right on. What is also odd is that he tends to get the put back far easier than the original shot. No, I don't think he is trying to pad his rebounding stats but it's odd. Anyway, he's ours and that's a good thing.
 
#25
This is all the love MT can get after his recent run? Sure, it's taken him too long to adapt to his bench role, but in fairness, how do you send your best offensive option on a bad team that didn't add any new parts to the bench? And what will it take for you to see that Reke has steadily digressed into one of the worst players in the entire league, and all the hate he gets is he's 'fugly'. Come on, he grinds the team to a halt when he gets the ball, gives no effort on D, especially in transition... Have you ever seen anyone walk more on a basketball court than Reke. He hardly breaks a sweat most games, unless he's going 1 on 1. and since I'm being fair, a better coach won't put up with his lackadaisical effort, will demand more, and might be able to get him back to his rookie year playing level...
Lol. Say what you will on the offensive end, but Reke is always one of the only ones running back on defense in transition after MT or IT chuck a 3. Worst players in the league lol. Sad to say this post of yours shows that you watch the Kings about as much as the waffle I'm eating. That or you're simply blind.