Petrie and Cooper meeting with Ryan Anderson
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I guess I don't understand hating on a young player, especially if that young player was taken/drafted over a guy you really wanted.
Perhaps if the guy we missed out on was family or something, I could see it poison the waters, but beyond that...I just don't get it.
Having watched a ton of college basketball I can say I'm definitely irritated with the Bobcats because they got my two favorite players in the draft (MKG & Taylor) for this Kings team. You all know that I was really down on Henson due to his weight/size/bulk issues and felt he'd never be able to compete heavy minutes at the PF position.
With that being said, if we were sitting at the 5th spot with both MKG and Robinson on the board, and we choose to trade down to pick up Henson + pieces, I'd be rooting for Henson to succeed, because his success should make the Kings better.
And I'm a fan of the team way before being a fan of any one player.
It's the same thing, but the reverse with IT. I'm thrilled that he had so much success last year.
The Kings got tremendous value out of the 60th pick due to how well IT played, which is a great thing for the team.
I don't believe he's a long-term solution at PG, and I don't believe he's more of a cornerstone guard when compared to Tyreke, but that doesn't mean that I'm a hater.
IT gives the Kings more flexibility due to his success, so there isn't any downside to his good play.
Like every piece on a team, it's up to the Coach to find the best combinations and up to the FO to bring in better fitting pieces if there isn't enough balance on the team, but there never is a down-side when you have a player come in and play above expectations.
If Salmons had come in and played anywhere close to his 1st-Kings-stint level, we would have been a much better team last year. I don't understand the mentality of having a player out on the court and hoping that they won't succeed.
Perhaps if the guy we missed out on was family or something, I could see it poison the waters, but beyond that...I just don't get it.
Having watched a ton of college basketball I can say I'm definitely irritated with the Bobcats because they got my two favorite players in the draft (MKG & Taylor) for this Kings team. You all know that I was really down on Henson due to his weight/size/bulk issues and felt he'd never be able to compete heavy minutes at the PF position.
With that being said, if we were sitting at the 5th spot with both MKG and Robinson on the board, and we choose to trade down to pick up Henson + pieces, I'd be rooting for Henson to succeed, because his success should make the Kings better.
And I'm a fan of the team way before being a fan of any one player.
It's the same thing, but the reverse with IT. I'm thrilled that he had so much success last year.
The Kings got tremendous value out of the 60th pick due to how well IT played, which is a great thing for the team.
I don't believe he's a long-term solution at PG, and I don't believe he's more of a cornerstone guard when compared to Tyreke, but that doesn't mean that I'm a hater.
IT gives the Kings more flexibility due to his success, so there isn't any downside to his good play.
Like every piece on a team, it's up to the Coach to find the best combinations and up to the FO to bring in better fitting pieces if there isn't enough balance on the team, but there never is a down-side when you have a player come in and play above expectations.
If Salmons had come in and played anywhere close to his 1st-Kings-stint level, we would have been a much better team last year. I don't understand the mentality of having a player out on the court and hoping that they won't succeed.
I agree! My opinions on a player have nothing to do with liking or disliking. Their solely based on how that player played in the games I watched. I've been very critical of Drummond, but I'm not going to wish for him to fail, just so I can be right. Quite the contrary, I hope he proves me wrong. I don't wish failure on anyone. I've always felt that Tyreke's best position is at SG, and I'd like to see a season with him at that position. But if he goes back to PG, I'm certainly going to root for him to be successful at that position. Where I don't want to see him is at SF.
Article about Ryan Anderson in the Bee today.
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/05/4610621/ailene-voisin-anderson-brings.html
edit: Voison does not think the Kings would sign Anderson and JT. If the new thread about JT possibly being gone, maybe its Anderson we're going for as his replacement?
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/07/05/4610621/ailene-voisin-anderson-brings.html
edit: Voison does not think the Kings would sign Anderson and JT. If the new thread about JT possibly being gone, maybe its Anderson we're going for as his replacement?
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Oh I certainly think that's an obvious implication -- if we don't sign JT, we try to sign Anderson (at which point by the way we have completely destroyed the giant frontcourt we had just two years ago and are running wiht no backup center beyond Hassan, who is probably better at PF, an undersized rookie PF, a 3pt chucking 4 who plays like a 3, and 6'6" Chuck Hayes. Sacramento Clippers indeed.
Now us signing Anderson INSTEAD of JT, with both availble, remains speculative -- and the perfect sort of speculation/local boy stuff that Poison loves to engage in and promote.
http://aroyalpain.com/2012/07/05/ki...loaded-contract-force-orlando-magic-to-match/
we are supposedly going to force orl to match our offer
we are supposedly going to force orl to match our offer
Well, If I am the Kings and I am deciding between JT at 6-7million (The current offer is 6, and obviously JT is expecting more or he would have accepted it by now) or Anderson at, what, 8 million? I think I'm taking Anderson.
They are very similar defensively. They both rebound well (Anderson's rebound number's could be better when he isn't playing with Dwight Howard) .. and Anderson fits much better offensively. I don't worry about him munching up shots either because he is a deep shooter. Most 3 point attempts come in the flow of the offense and are assisted. Last year he scored 16ppg on 12.4 shots .. that would make him one of the more efficient players on our team. I can see him being affective with Thomas and Evans on the pick and pop, or out on the 3 point line when Cousins gets double teamed. He would actually make double teaming Cousins very hard.
And he just turned 24 while Thompson is about to turn 26. Minor detail, but I think this can suggest that Anderson CAN get a little bit better than he is right now, while JT is likely at his peak already.
They are very similar defensively. They both rebound well (Anderson's rebound number's could be better when he isn't playing with Dwight Howard) .. and Anderson fits much better offensively. I don't worry about him munching up shots either because he is a deep shooter. Most 3 point attempts come in the flow of the offense and are assisted. Last year he scored 16ppg on 12.4 shots .. that would make him one of the more efficient players on our team. I can see him being affective with Thomas and Evans on the pick and pop, or out on the 3 point line when Cousins gets double teamed. He would actually make double teaming Cousins very hard.
And he just turned 24 while Thompson is about to turn 26. Minor detail, but I think this can suggest that Anderson CAN get a little bit better than he is right now, while JT is likely at his peak already.
Good points. I'm just a little worried we don't have a backup center. JT can play both position, Anderson can't. But maybe they are planning to play Chuck 12-14 minutes per game when DMC is on the bench, maybe he can be the player he was in Houston (where he played C). I don't know, I still think that we would play Anderson, Robinson and Cuz together, with Robinson guarding opposing SFs and Anderson playing a la Peja on offense.
A frontloaded contract for Anderson? Interesting.
I don't think the NBA has released (at least publicly) the salary cap for the '12-'13 season - at least I haven't seen it. The assumptions all seem to be that it will be about the same as last year around $58M. We're at $47M counting Robinson, and if JT signs back at $6M, we've only got about $5M left, and that's not enough to frontload Anderson. I'd say we're on the order of $3M short of truly front-loading Anderson (if not more). Which leaves a few possibilities:
1) The cap is going to be a bit higher, say in the $61M range
2) We intend to withdraw the offer to JT and play Anderson at the 4
3) We intend to amnesty Garcia/Salmons
4) We have a trade in place to cut salary
I'm not sure there are any other ways to make a reasonable frontloaded offer to RA. I don't think 2) is actually very likely, and 3) always seems a longshot, but if this report is true, something interesting is probably going on.
I don't think the NBA has released (at least publicly) the salary cap for the '12-'13 season - at least I haven't seen it. The assumptions all seem to be that it will be about the same as last year around $58M. We're at $47M counting Robinson, and if JT signs back at $6M, we've only got about $5M left, and that's not enough to frontload Anderson. I'd say we're on the order of $3M short of truly front-loading Anderson (if not more). Which leaves a few possibilities:
1) The cap is going to be a bit higher, say in the $61M range
2) We intend to withdraw the offer to JT and play Anderson at the 4
3) We intend to amnesty Garcia/Salmons
4) We have a trade in place to cut salary
I'm not sure there are any other ways to make a reasonable frontloaded offer to RA. I don't think 2) is actually very likely, and 3) always seems a longshot, but if this report is true, something interesting is probably going on.
I"m almost positive I heard that in the CBA agreement they came to at the end of the lock-out they agreed that this year's cap could not be lower than last year. And since it was a shortened season the expectations were that revenue would indeed be down, which means that this year's cap would be exactly the same as last year's cap.
Now if for some crazy reason revenue was up for the shortened season, then the cap would go up, it just can't go down this year.
Now if for some crazy reason revenue was up for the shortened season, then the cap would go up, it just can't go down this year.
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Are there really some posters here who are upset at the thought of replacing Jason "No Basketball IQ" with Ryan Anderson, a young solid player who shoots 40% from 3 point range? Really? Granted, JT had a decent year but this is JASON THOMPSON we are talking about. We can find another banger to come in and spell DMC for 10 minutes a game. We are in desperate need of a solid 3 point shooter who can spread the floor. We don't need DMC, JT, and now TRob clogging up the paint.
I'm just shocked the Magoofs are actually making a play at a solid free agent who will command an expensive contract. Lets get Ryan back to Sac now!
I'm just shocked the Magoofs are actually making a play at a solid free agent who will command an expensive contract. Lets get Ryan back to Sac now!
Your point is really valid. I just don't let JT go easily - I have put too many hours in watching him play and seeing him get this far, to jump withour a very big wince. And I will if he goes. He plays his heart out while other don't. Besides wanting wins, I'd like a little justice. That's all.
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If they can find a way to get rid of Hayes, I could live with sizeable contracts for Thompson backing up 4/5 and Anderson starting at the 3 and backing up the 4. Not the most athletic frontline, but huge and still better than what was run out last year.
top9 rottaion:
Cuz/JT
Trob/Anderson
Anderson/Outlaw
Evans/Thornton
IT/Salmons
Jimmer/Garcia/Honeycutt/Outlaw/Whiteside filling out the bench.
top9 rottaion:
Cuz/JT
Trob/Anderson
Anderson/Outlaw
Evans/Thornton
IT/Salmons
Jimmer/Garcia/Honeycutt/Outlaw/Whiteside filling out the bench.
How about this guys.... Sign Anderson... Sign and trade Jason Thompson + something to Philly for Iggy...
Evans/IT
Thorton/Salmons/Jimmer
Iggy/Twill
Ryan/Trob
Cousins/Whiteside
JT gets to go back home, so he's happy. Philly gets a solid young hometown big man they are happy. We get a defensive athletic SF who no longer is required to be a 3pt specialist with the addition of Ryan Anderson. Also it would be pretty cool to have T.Will backing up Iggy or even have them on the court at the same time... Yeah we lose JT...but we have Robinson who is projected to do much of the same thing, but better... so we aren't necessarily losing an element to our team. We would be gaining outside shooting, defense, athleticism, and play making. What say you guys?
Evans/IT
Thorton/Salmons/Jimmer
Iggy/Twill
Ryan/Trob
Cousins/Whiteside
JT gets to go back home, so he's happy. Philly gets a solid young hometown big man they are happy. We get a defensive athletic SF who no longer is required to be a 3pt specialist with the addition of Ryan Anderson. Also it would be pretty cool to have T.Will backing up Iggy or even have them on the court at the same time... Yeah we lose JT...but we have Robinson who is projected to do much of the same thing, but better... so we aren't necessarily losing an element to our team. We would be gaining outside shooting, defense, athleticism, and play making. What say you guys?