Smart and Geoff on the Draft
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If Petrie expects anyone to assume he's being remotely truthful (and why would he say anything in the media if he assumes people expect he's lying?), than he's an idiot who NEEDS to be removed from this organization asap.
He "did not look at any scenarios that involved trading the draft pick (down)"???
And he thinks noone traded up in this draft??
He seems soooooo tired, and over-the-hill.
Is he aware that his demeanor SCREAMS "I'm too old and over the hill for this position"?
He "did not look at any scenarios that involved trading the draft pick (down)"???
And he thinks noone traded up in this draft??
He seems soooooo tired, and over-the-hill.
Is he aware that his demeanor SCREAMS "I'm too old and over the hill for this position"?
Sad moment when he tried to explain why they traded the 2nd pick... "Just giving us some other flexibility for things we wanna do going forward...". He looked like he didn't know what to say. Great job by the guy over there who asked "Like what?". Petrie obviously didn't have an answer, because it's clear the only reason for trading the pick was cash.
Please, please, please... Sell the team!!!
Please, please, please... Sell the team!!!
A lot of positive snippets on the maturity and character of Robinson. I likee. Robinson is all good.
Pretty telling remarks by Petrie on Tyreke. One the one hand, Tyreke was focused and had a very good two weeks with Petrie. On the other: "The big thing is (as Petrie smiles)... he has to continue....to keep.....to maintain" that work/focus for the rest of the summer.
We do need outside shooting at the 3 position. And it certainly would be nice getting it from Tyreke at the 2. Then you have a very balanced team. There's going to be a deal for a three this summer. There has to. But what I don't get is, if Petrie is talking about getting outside shooting, then would he give up the best outside shooter in Thornton in order to get it? If Thornton is used to get an outside shooting 3 then how much net outside shooting would you really add to the team by trading Thornton? It's going to be interesting how he acquires this 3 and what he gives up in order to get him.
Pretty telling remarks by Petrie on Tyreke. One the one hand, Tyreke was focused and had a very good two weeks with Petrie. On the other: "The big thing is (as Petrie smiles)... he has to continue....to keep.....to maintain" that work/focus for the rest of the summer.
We do need outside shooting at the 3 position. And it certainly would be nice getting it from Tyreke at the 2. Then you have a very balanced team. There's going to be a deal for a three this summer. There has to. But what I don't get is, if Petrie is talking about getting outside shooting, then would he give up the best outside shooter in Thornton in order to get it? If Thornton is used to get an outside shooting 3 then how much net outside shooting would you really add to the team by trading Thornton? It's going to be interesting how he acquires this 3 and what he gives up in order to get him.
It depends... the whole reason why we need outside shooting is to space the floor for Tyreke and DMC to attack the rim, and to hit open shots when Cuz or Reke or IT kick the ball out. If you can get Thornton in a position to be the regular recipient of passes to make these shots then you don't need outside shooting that much. If you intend to run more pick and rolls or have Tyreke kicking the ball out off his drives, then corner 3s are the most important. From my memory Thornton's best spots are the 45 degree angles, and he's not quite as good from the corners. Same with Jimmer. So that may be one thing to consider when trading one shooter for another.
Good point about the angles. The corner 3s could be much more important than the 45 degree angle shots. Frankly, I don't ever recall Thornton shooting a corner 3. Also, I keep hearing intimations that Thornton would be very unhappy about going to the bench. I've got to think that that's a factor that could have him as trade bait. If the Kings were confident that Jimmer could take Thornton's place (off the bench) then that's one more consideration as well.
Petrie does not leak anything because there is nothing to leak. He is so passive - he will just do the easiest trade he can make, one that is probably presented to him by other GMs, and hope he gets lucky with the move and everything turns out okay. Our GM is burned-out!
The product on the court speaks for itself.
The product on the court speaks for itself.
It's the one major skill he had as a player and he can identify shooters most of the time (Douby *cough*). It's his comfort zone and we do need three point shooters. At the moment we hope Jimmer improves a lot and he probably will. It IS disappointing as the defensive stats that Brick posted actually shocked me. The one constant for about half of the Kings time in Sacramento is Petrie.
I thought he handled the interview well and should have been a politician. At times he seemed very happy. It's not often you see a spontaneous smile come from him. TRob isn't a "shooter" but I think Petrie knows damn well he couldn't have handled the 1st round any better and as to the 2nd round, seriously I don't care what they did. It IS a bit frightening that they are so cheap but our roster is full. Assuming a JT signing, we have 13 people under contract. Sign Robinson and TWill and that ends any other free agent search. We need some 2-1 or 3-2 or 1 trades to eliminate some excess bodies - man I hate to refer to living human beings as bodies or filler - as we have very little flexibility. Signing the 2nd rounder would have almost stopped us in our tracks.
My major concern going into this draft is that we would screw up and we didn't. This isn't quite like my reaction when we got Cousins but I think as we get used to TRob, we'll appreciate him a great deal as a player and as a man. He brings a lot to the table.
I thought he handled the interview well and should have been a politician. At times he seemed very happy. It's not often you see a spontaneous smile come from him. TRob isn't a "shooter" but I think Petrie knows damn well he couldn't have handled the 1st round any better and as to the 2nd round, seriously I don't care what they did. It IS a bit frightening that they are so cheap but our roster is full. Assuming a JT signing, we have 13 people under contract. Sign Robinson and TWill and that ends any other free agent search. We need some 2-1 or 3-2 or 1 trades to eliminate some excess bodies - man I hate to refer to living human beings as bodies or filler - as we have very little flexibility. Signing the 2nd rounder would have almost stopped us in our tracks.
My major concern going into this draft is that we would screw up and we didn't. This isn't quite like my reaction when we got Cousins but I think as we get used to TRob, we'll appreciate him a great deal as a player and as a man. He brings a lot to the table.
I was actually relieved with what Petrie said about Evans.
He seems genuinely happy with the two weeks Evans spent in Sac. And at the very least, looks like he is taking the 'wait and see' approach with Evans for this season. It doesn't seem like THIS is the offseason to trade Evans, because it seems like this is the offseason where Evans will be putting in the most work. Makes sense.
I don't think Evans will be dealt this offseason, and that is important. There were some strong indications towards the end of the year that suggested otherwise.
He seems genuinely happy with the two weeks Evans spent in Sac. And at the very least, looks like he is taking the 'wait and see' approach with Evans for this season. It doesn't seem like THIS is the offseason to trade Evans, because it seems like this is the offseason where Evans will be putting in the most work. Makes sense.
I don't think Evans will be dealt this offseason, and that is important. There were some strong indications towards the end of the year that suggested otherwise.
Two things when combined make me nervous about what kind of SF he'll target.
One, what dimedropper noticed which was that when asked about needs, Petrie singled out shooting, not defense or shotblocking which he previously had singled out.
Two. Jason Jones' tweet last night.
Are we going after a defensive minded SF, or a shooter/scorer? We need defense and it's weird we wouldn't have taken MKG if he fell, if true.
One, what dimedropper noticed which was that when asked about needs, Petrie singled out shooting, not defense or shotblocking which he previously had singled out.
Two. Jason Jones' tweet last night.
Are we going after a defensive minded SF, or a shooter/scorer? We need defense and it's weird we wouldn't have taken MKG if he fell, if true.
OK, my thoughts on the subject. First, I'm pleased with the Robinson pick. I find it amusing that no matter what Petrie would have done, a lot of you were going to find fault with him. No matter what he says is a lie, or he's just plain stupid. Well I believe that anyone that truely believes that, is stupid!! And I mean that sincerely. Petrie doesn't own the team, the Maloofs do, and thats where whatever blame there is should be directed. I have no idea what restrictions he's operating under, but its probably not much fun right now. I really doubt that Petrie forgot how to evaluate talent. I haven't, and I'm 70 years old.
I also doubt that he's forgotten about defense. He was standing at a press conference to talk about Robinson. So in the moment he forgot to mention something! So what? He's not on trial under oath. My god people, lighten up. All this constant negatism is about to drive me off this fourm, and I also mean that sincerely.
Now, about needing shooting. He's dead right. Out outside shooting is poor at best. Anyone know who our best outside shooter was? Huh? Take a guess.
let me list them for you from worse to best.
Tyreke Evans: 20.2%
Travis Outlaw: 26.7%
John Salmons: 29.5%
Terrence Williams: 29.6%
Marcus Thornton: 34.5%
Jimmer Fredette: 36.1%
I. Thomas: 37.9%
Just because we have a lot of so called shooters, doesn't mean we have good shooters. The only two players that come close to respectable are Jimmer and IT. And both were rookies. Now in some sense, the fact that the two best were rookies does bode well for the future, but in the short term, we could use a good 3pt shooter. Someone that shoots 40 plus percent.
As for as the Maloofs selling the second round pick, the only thing that upset me was that I sat there and waited for the pick. Other than that, what Petrie said made perfect sense. The Kings have 12 players under contract without resigning JT or Williams. If they were to resign both, we would be at our limit. If were to add another player, its needs to be someone that can contribute right away, and not be a young 2nd round player that will probably only take up bench space.
Now I realize that makes too much sense and doesn't fit into the bashing scenario a lot of you have, but I do try to deal in logic and not in emotion borne out of anger, or woulda, coulda, shoulda! So if you excuse me, I'm going back to my patio and stare at the ocean. And start working on next years draft!
I also doubt that he's forgotten about defense. He was standing at a press conference to talk about Robinson. So in the moment he forgot to mention something! So what? He's not on trial under oath. My god people, lighten up. All this constant negatism is about to drive me off this fourm, and I also mean that sincerely.
Now, about needing shooting. He's dead right. Out outside shooting is poor at best. Anyone know who our best outside shooter was? Huh? Take a guess.
let me list them for you from worse to best.
Tyreke Evans: 20.2%
Travis Outlaw: 26.7%
John Salmons: 29.5%
Terrence Williams: 29.6%
Marcus Thornton: 34.5%
Jimmer Fredette: 36.1%
I. Thomas: 37.9%
Just because we have a lot of so called shooters, doesn't mean we have good shooters. The only two players that come close to respectable are Jimmer and IT. And both were rookies. Now in some sense, the fact that the two best were rookies does bode well for the future, but in the short term, we could use a good 3pt shooter. Someone that shoots 40 plus percent.
As for as the Maloofs selling the second round pick, the only thing that upset me was that I sat there and waited for the pick. Other than that, what Petrie said made perfect sense. The Kings have 12 players under contract without resigning JT or Williams. If they were to resign both, we would be at our limit. If were to add another player, its needs to be someone that can contribute right away, and not be a young 2nd round player that will probably only take up bench space.
Now I realize that makes too much sense and doesn't fit into the bashing scenario a lot of you have, but I do try to deal in logic and not in emotion borne out of anger, or woulda, coulda, shoulda! So if you excuse me, I'm going back to my patio and stare at the ocean. And start working on next years draft!
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Those shooting stats are uuuuuugly. I'm assuming those numbers were 3 pt shooting percentages. As you note, the rookies were pretty good. IT, when starting was much higher, I think 47% overall, 41% 3 pt% if memory serves. Thompson, if I recall, was 50% (too lazy to look it up) or so and a lot of those were outside jumpers, not 3 pointers, so maybe re-signing Thompson might be advised.
By the way, just loved the Robinson pick.
Those shooting stats are uuuuuugly. I'm assuming those numbers were 3 pt shooting percentages. As you note, the rookies were pretty good. IT, when starting was much higher, I think 47% overall, 41% 3 pt% if memory serves. Thompson, if I recall, was 50% (too lazy to look it up) or so and a lot of those were outside jumpers, not 3 pointers, so maybe re-signing Thompson might be advised.
By the way, just loved the Robinson pick.
While I liked several of the players left on the board, I don't have a problem with them not using the pick considering how many players we have on our roster and our desire to bring in some vets. But at least trade it for a future pick. Pick an overseas player and stash him.
Given the Maloofs other actions, there is plenty of reason to think this is financially motivated. It just looks bad.
Given the Maloofs other actions, there is plenty of reason to think this is financially motivated. It just looks bad.
Selling a second right pick is whatever. Neither here nor there. The only reason it registers on my radar is because Quincy Miller was still on the board and I thought he had top 10 talent if he can rehab his knee with an NBA quality trainer like the guy DWade worked with a couple seasons ago. That's top 10 in the draft talent. If you have a chance to take somebody like that in the second round, you do it. Honeycutt hasn't shown me anything to suggest bringing him back should be a priority. Salmons and Outlaw are dead weight and Hayes wasn't a very positive factor for us last year. We have bodies on our roster, yes. But do we really want all of those guys back?
That being said, I'm over it already. He might pan out, he might not. There's other work to be done.
That being said, I'm over it already. He might pan out, he might not. There's other work to be done.
Honeycutt has a team option. Unless we've already picked it up, he's not under contract. Salmons can (and should) be amnestied to clear up cap space for a real SF. Garcia probably has to be bought out for us to have a shot at signing a big free agent. Hayes is going to be tough to move, but Houston at least apparently has some passing interest. Outlaw is a cheap backup SF, so he's probably the last man standing. By saying we shouldn't bring them all back I'm saying we're not forced to be mediocre because some of our past contract signings haven't worked out for us. If there's somebody available who can make us a lot better would you say no because we already have this fine collection of talent?