Lowry talk heating up .. Kings in the mix (ESPN)

[Bricklayer]

Whats everyone's opinions on Chandler Parsons?

For all intents and purposes he's untouchable. He's one of those guys the other teams really likes, and he plays the position just the way they want him to, he's cheap...he's just not going anywhere.

Mind you he's not that GOOD. He's just their perfect cheap system guy. He's not a spare part for them. Kevin is. Scola. Daly. Lowry. The picks. Budinger as we just found out.

 

[marsh]

For all intents and purposes he's untouchable. He's one of those guys the other teams really likes, and he plays the position just the way they want him to, he's cheap...he's just not going anywhere.

Mind you he's not that GOOD. He's just their perfect cheap system guy. He's not a spare part for them. Kevin is. Scola. Daly. Lowry. The picks. Budinger as we just found out.

Thank you, thats what I figured.

The bolded is a big part of the previous proposal as his value for the Rockets vs the rest of the league is different.

 

[Uncia03]

Thank you, thats what I figured.

The bolded is a big part of the previous proposal as his value for the Rockets vs the rest of the league is different.

Parsons is good, but as Bricklayer mentioned he both fits their need and is cheap.

There is no way that I pass on MKG/Robinson/Barnes if Parsons is the major piece that I get back.

 

[kennadog]

Y u no see sarcasm!? Haha I was joking. I love tyreke. I just wish we had a coaching staff that could actually coach and put him in the right position and situation to find success. He's a unique player.

I was hoping it was a joke, but its hard to tell around here, sometimes.

 

[Jkbiker]

A post on Houston forum:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egghead

just heard Chad Ford on ESPN radio. He said the Kings are interested in the Rockets younger players. He mentioned Motiejunas. He also mentioned if the Rockets trade with the Kings for #5 it wouldn't involve big names like Lowry or Evans.


So maybe Motiejunas 14,16 for #5

big 7ft ctr 20th in draft last yr

Most of the houston fans say maybe ok for Patterson, but not for Motiejunas
I would not want Patterson 6'9' backup PF , sorry no thanks

 

[rainmaker]

A post on Houston forum:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Egghead

just heard Chad Ford on ESPN radio. He said the Kings are interested in the Rockets younger players. He mentioned Motiejunas. He also mentioned if the Rockets trade with the Kings for #5 it wouldn't involve big names like Lowry or Evans.


So maybe Motiejunas 14,16 for #5

big 7ft ctr 20th in draft last yr

Most of the houston fans say maybe ok for Patterson, but not for Motiejunas
I would not want Patterson 6'9' backup PF , sorry no thanks

FFS. First Lowry was a possible target. Then Daly. Now neither and instead Motiejunas? Hopefully Ford is as wrong about this as he is everything else.

Rumors surrounding us keep getting worse...

My opinion: If we're not getting a game changing starter for the 5th, just pick MKG. Most rumors have him falling to us at this point.

 

[sidney]

FFS. First Lowry was a possible target. Then Daly. Now neither and instead Motiejunas? Hopefully Ford is as wrong about this as he is everything else.

Rumors surrounding us keep getting worse...

Houston is the leaky faucet which is why everything sounds bad for us. This reeks of their desperation to pry the #5 pick from us without giving up much and suggesting everything they can think of. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Petrie said Lowry, Delembert, and pick(s) would need to be in play for #5. You don't move up to #5 is a strong draft for peanuts.

 

[Gilles]

Not only that but Houston is under pressure with their PG situation: they keep Lowry and Dragic walks so they have to sell Lowry at a discount.

 

[Kingster]

Houston is the leaky faucet which is why everything sounds bad for us. This reeks of their desperation to pry the #5 pick from us without giving up much and suggesting everything they can think of. Wouldn't be surprised at all if Petrie said Lowry, Delembert, and pick(s) would need to be in play for #5. You don't move up to #5 is a strong draft for peanuts.

Latest rumor is Houston deals with Portland at #6 and Portland gets 3 #1s.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Kind of a tangent, but I like Montiejunas. I'd feel a but better about these deals if he were in them.

But it would take a lot, and I mean a lot, for me to trade the #5 pick to Houston without Lowry in it.

For starters, I'd need at least 2 of their picks. I'd need Monteijunas. I'd need Dalembert. And I'd need them to take some of our bad contracts back. I'm actually leaning towards dumping Hayes on them over Salmons. Hayes contract runs a year longer, and I think Salmons can help this team next season. He's a more complete player, and while grossly overpaid, he had a really nice month when he was playing off the bench before he got hurt. His ability to attack the basket and defend multiple position .. and handle the ball can be more valuable than what Chuck gave us last year. Hayes is also just a more realistic trade piece. I'd try and get them to take Cisco, too. (I'd say Outlaw, but I don't think he can be dealt until a year has passed since him amnesty date, which was sometime in December).

To recap:

Dalembet
#14 and #16
Montiejunas

for

#5
Chuck Hayes
Francisco Garcia

It comes out as a 3 for 3 if Moneteijunas stays overseas for another season. If not, we may have to make a minor deal or two as soon as possible. I would obviously try and go after Iggy or Deng at that point, using Thornton as the main trade chip with picks and cap room... we'd have a lot of wiggle room to make a bigger splash in free agency or through trades.

Of course, this is under the assumption that MKG will not be there when we pick. If he's available, We better take him and never look back.

 

[sidney]

Latest rumor is Houston deals with Portland at #6 and Portland gets 3 #1s.

The Rockets FO

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Kind of a tangent, but I like Montiejunas. I'd feel a but better about these deals if he were in them.

But it would take a lot, and I mean a lot, for me to trade the #5 pick to Houston without Lowry in it.

For starters, I'd need at least 2 of their picks. I'd need Monteijunas. I'd need Dalembert. And I'd need them to take some of our bad contracts back. I'm actually leaning towards dumping Hayes on them over Salmons. Hayes contract runs a year longer, and I think Salmons can help this team next season. He's a more complete player, and while grossly overpaid, he had a really nice month when he was playing off the bench before he got hurt. His ability to attack the basket and defend multiple position .. and handle the ball can be more valuable than what Chuck gave us last year. Hayes is also just a more realistic trade piece. I'd try and get them to take Cisco, too. (I'd say Outlaw, but I don't think he can be dealt until a year has passed since him amnesty date, which was sometime in December).

To recap:

Dalembet
#14 and #16
Montiejunas

for

#5
Chuck Hayes
Francisco Garcia

It comes out as a 3 for 3 if Moneteijunas stays overseas for another season. If not, we may have to make a minor deal or two as soon as possible. I would obviously try and go after Iggy or Deng at that point, using Thornton as the main trade chip with picks and cap room... we'd have a lot of wiggle room to make a bigger splash in free agency or through trades.

Of course, this is under the assumption that MKG will not be there when we pick. If he's available, We better take him and never look back.

trippin. hayes over salmons????? again, trippin. both of em need to be shipped out w/ outlaw. salmons should be the first to go as he is eating up 8 mill in capspace yearly for another 3 years.

 

[William Blake]

Salmons, unlike Hayes, can be amnestied.
Anyway in this team I'd rather have Chuck off the bench than Motiejunas.

 

[beb0p]

To recap:

Dalembet
#14 and #16
Montiejunas

for

#5
Chuck Hayes
Francisco Garcia

Not a fan of Montiejunas. I will for sure break my TV watching that 7 foot guy grabs three rebounds a game and cries to his Mommy every time someone elbows him.

Dalembert likely leaving after one season, and may even be disgruntled for being back in Sac.

So that leaves the #14 and #16 pick. Boo-hooo.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Not a fan of Montiejunas. I will for sure break my TV watching that 7 foot guy grabs three rebounds a game and cries to his Mommy every time someone elbows him.

Dalembert likely leaving after one season, and may even be disgruntled for being back in Sac.

So that leaves the #14 and #16 pick. Boo-hooo.

If that pick is Harrison Barnes, or the Kings reaching for Lillard, Henson, or whomever .. The pick means a lot less to me.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Yeah, not a big fan of Montiejunas either, he's got alot of growing up to do...and who knows if he'll ever live up to his potential. As far as getting the 14/16th pics with it, I MIGHT be interested if I knew MKG would be gone by #5. I think Harkless is going to be legit in the NBA, so I'd have no problem bringing him in...same goes for Terrence Jones. Not sure about Terrence Ross though, even with all his athleticism...just doesnt seem to possess the right psyche to be any sort of starter in the NBA, I could be wrong though.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Not a fan of Montiejunas. I will for sure break my TV watching that 7 foot guy grabs three rebounds a game and cries to his Mommy every time someone elbows him.

Dalembert likely leaving after one season, and may even be disgruntled for being back in Sac.

So that leaves the #14 and #16 pick. Boo-hooo.

I was wondering how long it would take when his name was mentioned before someone came out with the same stupid, lazy, ignorant, uninformed, stereotypical BS. Congratulations!

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Salmons, unlike Hayes, can be amnestied.
Anyway in this team I'd rather have Chuck off the bench than Motiejunas.

keyword, canbut won't because we have some broke like a joke owners. throwing garcia in as filler? you've just ensured JT won't be resigned. we aren't the ones desperate to get a deal done in this scenario. we are the ones helping houston acquire D12.

 

[Hansel]

Latest rumor is Houston deals with Portland at #6 and Portland gets 3 #1s.

With us the offer was "5 + Evans for 14 + 16 + Lowry"
With Blazers the offer is "6 for 14 + 16 + 18"

If Evans and Lowry were equal, the trade would be "5 for 14 + 16"

This means, according to Rockets, Lowry is by far better than Evans

 

[Sptsjunkie]

If we get back Daly, and with our intention of signing JT, then that's Cousins/Daly/JT/Hayes/Whiteside already as out 5 bigs. be very surprised if we used any pick coming out of that scrum on another one, unless maybe a 3/4 "stretch" type guy to replace Donte.

Agree. With the caveat that we could end up sending Hayes as part of the trade. But I assume the mid first rounder would be used on a wing player. There's a few who should be there. Although, I would be intrigued by Sullinger at #16 as well. With Dalembert as our shot blocker, #16 seems like the right place to gamble on Sully as long as his back isn't so beyond repair that he couldn't even play next season.

 

[beb0p]

I was wondering how long it would take when his name was mentioned before someone came out with the same stupid, lazy, ignorant, uninformed, stereotypical BS. Congratulations!

Calling Montiejunas soft is about as ignorant as calling John Henson skinny. I always marveled that no matter what the flaw is, there's always someone to defend that flaw. Henson can gain muscle in a heart beat, Austin Rivers is not ball hog but just confident, etc, etc. And now this: Montiejunas is not soft! Really, there are things to like about Montiejunas but there's no need to pretend his biggest and most obvious weakness doesn't exist!

 

[Uk kings fan]

i feel really stupid asking this as i know its been answered in the thread already... but why are the rockets wanting to move you so much who do they want??

sorry

 

[beb0p]

i feel really stupid asking this as i know its been answered in the thread already... but why are the rockets wanting to move you so much who do they want??

sorry

They want Dwight Howard.

The high picks are just there to entice the Magic, there's no indication that the Rockets like anyone in this draft.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

Food for thought. Here's and excerpt from DraftExpress' update from 2011-2012 on Montiejunas

"The 7-footer is spending more time on the perimeter than he did earlier in his career, and while his 32% three-point shooting is just shy of the mark he posted last year, he's attempting 3.5 3-pointers per-game, indicating an increased confidence in his jump-shooting ability. Around the rim, Motiejunas remains an agile finisher for his size, and that's been especially useful to him with his back to the basket, converting an excellent 54% of his 2-point attempts.

The biggest development we've seen from Motiejunas this season has come on the glass. Often maligned for his rebounding ability in the past, the Lithuanian big man broke the Euroleague record for defensive rebounds in a game with 18 against Union Olimpija.

While he's posted games of 1 and 3 rebounds this season, his occasional outburst on the glass has him averaging nearly 3 rebounds per-40 minutes more this season than he averaged last season. It's not a stretch to say that had he shown more of an inclination to crash the glass occasionally last season the athletic and skilled 7-footer would have been picked much higher than 20th in the 2011 draft.

For the second straight year, Motiejunas is a top interior option playing and producing at a high level against quality competition. He's had some moments of brilliance, though the inconsistency we've outlined in previous reports are still very much there as he's spending more time away from the basket."

 

[Uk kings fan]

They want Dwight Howard.

The high picks are just there to entice the Magic, there's no indication that the Rockets like anyone in this draft.

and what does moving up do for them??? also isnt he off to the nets or have i missed somthing?

EDIT i realised they want to trade the pick to magic after i wrote this

 

[beb0p]

and what does moving up do for them??? also isnt he off to the nets or have i missed somthing?

The Magic wants high draft picks. #5 + #8 (trade for with Kyle Lowdry) + something is the package that Houston wants to offer to Orlando. Whether the Magic will bite is another story but the Rockets want to put together such a package.

 

[Uk kings fan]

The Magic wants high draft picks. #5 + #8 (trade for with Kyle Lowdry) + something is the package that Houston wants to offer to Orlando. Whether the Magic will bite is another story but the Rockets want to put together such a package.

So howard is traded and then leaves a year later as an UFA?? unless the rockets plan to sign Williams aswell?

Im compleatly out the loop when it comes to the NBA at the moment

 

[Dime Dropper]

Calling Montiejunas soft is about as ignorant as calling John Henson skinny. I always marveled that no matter what the flaw is, there's always someone to defend that flaw. Henson can gain muscle in a heart beat, Austin Rivers is not ball hog but just confident, etc, etc. And now this: Montiejunas is not soft! Really, there are things to like about Montiejunas but there's no need to pretend his biggest and most obvious weakness doesn't exist!

Define soft, because I'm certain you have pretty much no clue what you're talking about. Motie is averaging 8 boards a game this year. It's much harder to average a high number of boards in the Euroleague than it is in the NBA due to different rules. He's gotten much bigger and stronger over the last couple years, so while the worry was legit when there was talk of him entering the draft two or three years ago, it's not anymore. I seriously doubt you've seen him play at all this year. You're throwing out the same nonsense and then defending it with completely irrelevant and subjective arguments. Saying Motiejunas' biggest weakness is that he's soft is just so clueless... He certainly has weaknesses, but that's not his biggest one.

 

[rainmaker]

Montiejunas is a prospect I like a lot. I was in support of picking him and stashing him in Europe for a couple years. Seen him play a number of times and does remind me a little of Dirk. Some say he's soft, but he's not as soft as Bargnani. But still, imo, we need a more defensive minded player next to Cuz, and I also don't think Montiejunas is ready to step in and contribute much at this point.

So while I like him as a prospect, in no way am I in favor of trading the 5 for him and two picks in the teens, which would be essentially trading the 5 and a player who can help now, for three prospects who might help down the road. Now, if he were to be included with Lowry or Daly, then I definitely consider it. But not without either.

Actually, an apt comparison might be a taller, longer version of Ilyasova, especially with Ilyasova's improved shooting. That's where I think Montiejunas could be skill wise in a few years. But need a vet to counteract the waiting period. He's not some soft Euro weenie, as some may think.

 

[beb0p]

So howard is traded and then leaves a year later as an UFA?? unless the rockets plan to sign Williams aswell?

Im compleatly out the loop when it comes to the NBA at the moment

Well, the Rockets think they can convince Howard to sign an extension in Houston. In fact, they're absolutely confident that Howard will stay in Houston if the trade goes down. Not only that, the Rockets also think they can get that 2nd star to partner with Howard. I guess we'll see.