Tyreke Evans not likely to recieve extension
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This story has been slant reported from the beginning, whetehr out of ignorance or agenda I do not know. Tyreke is unlikely to get an extension...because his value is yet to be determined. Simple as that. His camp and our camp are not going to be able to agree. The only people who get pre-extended are automatic max contract guys, and Reke isn't yet. And with the new CBA and the ability to offer one guy a 5 yr deal, its even less likely peeps will be pre-extended unless they are absolute sure things, and have absolutely no competition on the team.
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/06/08/no-extension-for-tyreke-evans/?ls=iref:nbahpt1
It's interesting to read the comments. It seems that pretty much all the fans would like to have Tyreke in their team. We already have him, and are going to waste this talent. What a great job. We will regret this decision, I'm sure about that.
It's interesting to read the comments. It seems that pretty much all the fans would like to have Tyreke in their team. We already have him, and are going to waste this talent. What a great job. We will regret this decision, I'm sure about that.
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That's why I meant by not fitting the team concept. If they can only find a role for him that hinders his game and in turn hinders the teams effectiveness long term he's going to have to go for it to ever work out for either side. No extension means more value because a team can decide what he's worth to them.
We can do this next year also. Some teams prefer letting the market place set the price. I think at this point with some people hoping we get rid of him and others thinking he will be a star, his value is not known and perhaps Petrie doesn't want to be the one to set the price in a negotiation. By going the RFA route, our only interaction is to match a price that has been set by someone else. The way things are going now, it might not be very high.
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A. He doesn't deserve one yet
B. We'd be silly to try and set his market price ourselves when his stock as at an all-time low - he's a RFA and we always have the right to match whatever he gets, while seeing if he really makes the jump this year and actually improves on other aspects of his game significantly, mainly shooting from anywhere other then the rim.
Us not extending him ahead of time doesn't mean nothing really, it's the smartest thing to do in his current situation.
B. We'd be silly to try and set his market price ourselves when his stock as at an all-time low - he's a RFA and we always have the right to match whatever he gets, while seeing if he really makes the jump this year and actually improves on other aspects of his game significantly, mainly shooting from anywhere other then the rim.
Us not extending him ahead of time doesn't mean nothing really, it's the smartest thing to do in his current situation.
There is another option here that many seem to ignore. He could easily say screw you guys, I am signing a qualifying offer, playing out the year and pissing off in the free agency. In that scenario, his trade value becomes non-existent because no team will want to trade anything of value for a player that they could lose in free agency without getting their moneys worth.
Its a 2 way street. Personally, I would like to see us work out an extension by the deadline next season and move on from there. It could work out better for us than for Tyreke if we sign him at a reasonable rate just before he blow up. Peja's and Bobby Jackson's deals have been the biggest bargains this team has had in the last decade.
Its a 2 way street. Personally, I would like to see us work out an extension by the deadline next season and move on from there. It could work out better for us than for Tyreke if we sign him at a reasonable rate just before he blow up. Peja's and Bobby Jackson's deals have been the biggest bargains this team has had in the last decade.
That is assuming that we have owners willing to spend or a player wanting to stay!
Same reasons were given for LeBron staying with Cavs and Bosh with Raptors but it didn't happen!
Bottom line is if Tyreke sign QO he has all the control in the world and I wouldn't be backing Sacramento to get out as winners from that scenario
Same reasons were given for LeBron staying with Cavs and Bosh with Raptors but it didn't happen!
Bottom line is if Tyreke sign QO he has all the control in the world and I wouldn't be backing Sacramento to get out as winners from that scenario
Who cares if you lose 20M over the next few years if signing the QO, leaving and playing for a real coach and a team who wants you, and help set yourself up to make more with a future contract while playing playoff basketball? As I've said before, if I'm Reke, I sign the QO a year from now and look to bolt unless things change quickly. You're also assuming he'd lose 20M or more without having a clue what Petrie or the Maloofs would offer him.
If we're not in the playoffs next year, I doubt Reke would be willing to sign an extension, nor would I. If players only cared about money and not the situation/reputation of a franchise, Vlade wouldn't be our last good FA signing. Many won't consider Sac no matter what kind of money is on the table. And IF he does go the route of signing the QO with plans of bolting, and we're not a playoff team, and Cuz at that point is an AS and possibly a bigger part of the Team USA system, and has other AS's chirping in his ear trying to recruit him, then I'd be damn nervous about Cuz possibly going that same route as he'd make damn good money wherever he goes.
That's the problem with this coach and style of play. Some fans love it and think it's exciting. Well, good for them, but that style doesn't get teams anywhere successful, and if we continue down that road as we STILL haven't laid a foundation for a successful style of play for playoff basketball, it could blow up in everyones faces 2-3 years from now. It's one thing to be a playoff club who goes to small ball during stretches in a series because of matchups, but quite another to use that philosophy all season long in hopes of making the playoffs. That's false hope.
If we're not in the playoffs next year, I doubt Reke would be willing to sign an extension, nor would I. If players only cared about money and not the situation/reputation of a franchise, Vlade wouldn't be our last good FA signing. Many won't consider Sac no matter what kind of money is on the table. And IF he does go the route of signing the QO with plans of bolting, and we're not a playoff team, and Cuz at that point is an AS and possibly a bigger part of the Team USA system, and has other AS's chirping in his ear trying to recruit him, then I'd be damn nervous about Cuz possibly going that same route as he'd make damn good money wherever he goes.
That's the problem with this coach and style of play. Some fans love it and think it's exciting. Well, good for them, but that style doesn't get teams anywhere successful, and if we continue down that road as we STILL haven't laid a foundation for a successful style of play for playoff basketball, it could blow up in everyones faces 2-3 years from now. It's one thing to be a playoff club who goes to small ball during stretches in a series because of matchups, but quite another to use that philosophy all season long in hopes of making the playoffs. That's false hope.
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I don't see the connection between Tyreke leaving and Cousins leaving. I don't think Cousins views Tyreke as indispensable for the team's success or his success. If there is a connection it's that Smart made the move to build around Cousins and not Tyreke last year. That's the connection. If Tyreke leaves and they bring a 2 guard who can shoot and a 3 who is a legit, there's nothing to make Cousins unhappy.
Except that Tyreke IS the perfect complementary piece to Cousins. Committing to Evans does mean committing to Cousins because they see the proper 1-2 punch needed for future success. We're so deep in smallball falsities and cheap managerial tactics that we can't see the bigger picture. We can't see how the rest of the NBA (winning franchises) operates. Extending a QO to a player like Thompson is fine-that's the strategy for a good role player. It's not a strategy for a potential cornerstone of the franchise.
If you can't see how management treating Evans poorly relates to Cousins, then I don't know what else to tell you.
If you can't see how management treating Evans poorly relates to Cousins, then I don't know what else to tell you.
Well, I'm sure Evans and his family cares !! The loss of money is if he is a max or close to max money contract. The rules changed again in the last CBA. The amount another team can offer is a lot lower than the current team. This includes yearly increases. His next contract after this one would have a much lower starting point through an extension. The $20 mil is an estimate of the next contract only. Add in the rest of his career and it could be upwards of $50 mil. Even if he plays out his QO the current team can still offer him more money in free agency. This is
There are multiple roads to Kings success without Tyreke, just as there are multiple roads to Kings failure with Tyreke. Tyreke isn't the indispensable ingredient for future success. Not giving him an extension now doesn't equate to treating him poorly. This happens all the time; it's NBA business. Playing him at the 3 last year, however, could be interpreted by Tyreke as poorly. I'll give you that. But if the guy had produced an outside shot, by last year, that would never have happened (even with the absence of a 3 on this team). If he is on the roster at the beginning of next season, I highly, highly doubt he's played at the 3, however.
I'm going to play devils advocate here, and defend Smart a little. Personally, I don't think he's gotten a fair shake. He inherited an unbalanced team with no training camp and little practice time to install much of anything. He's accused of playing small ball, but when you look at the roster, he didn't have a whole lot of choice at times. If you took Cuz and JT off the court, your backup center was 6'6" Hayes. He had Hickson for a short spell and then that option was gone. He tried Greene and Outlaw at PF, and that didn't work. He probably had front office pressure to get Jimmer minutes. So he probably thought the only way to get wins, was to out quick other teams. Thusly, he installed IT at the point.
Much is made of the fact that he was an assistant under Nellie, who loves small ball. But somehow everyone conviently forgets he was an assistant under Pops as well at San Antonio. I like that he's installing San Antonio's summer training, hands on approach with the Kings. I think he did a great job of getting much better basketball and attitude from Cousins. JT had his best year under Smart. Not sure how much of that Smart is responsible for, but if you going to criticize all the bad things, then give him credit for the good things.
So personally, I'm going to wait and see how he does with a (hopefully) more balanced roster. Would I prefer a Sloan or a Van Gundy for this team? Yeah, I would, but I think its fair at this point to give Smart the opportunity to see if his offseason system bears any fruit.
Much is made of the fact that he was an assistant under Nellie, who loves small ball. But somehow everyone conviently forgets he was an assistant under Pops as well at San Antonio. I like that he's installing San Antonio's summer training, hands on approach with the Kings. I think he did a great job of getting much better basketball and attitude from Cousins. JT had his best year under Smart. Not sure how much of that Smart is responsible for, but if you going to criticize all the bad things, then give him credit for the good things.
So personally, I'm going to wait and see how he does with a (hopefully) more balanced roster. Would I prefer a Sloan or a Van Gundy for this team? Yeah, I would, but I think its fair at this point to give Smart the opportunity to see if his offseason system bears any fruit.
I consider this to be important. Even if you believe that Evans' "stock" is at an "all time low," that stock is still worth more than at least two-thirds, more like three-quarters, of the guards in the league. And most of the guards that you would consider to be better are 4-6 years older than Evans, many even older than that. I am, by far, less concerned with the "danger" of overpaying Evans than I am with the likelihood that we'd let Evans walk, only to turn around and offer the full MLE to JJ Redick, or somebody.
Why the hostility against the team/FO? They never said anything about trading Tyreke. Realistically, there is no other way to go other than wait for both the Kings and Tyreke. The Evans boys don't want a less than max contract. The Kings don't want to commit big money to someone that has regressed within the last 2 years (whether its Tyreke's fault or the system). It makes sense for both sides to wait and see how he improves. The Kings still has restricted free agent rights on Tyreke.
