John Henson the best fit next to Cousins?
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278lbs...racking up 7% body fat. That's virtually unheard of. Let's just say at this stage we have no evidence at all he's going to get fat.
That is of course no guarantee of anything but shirtless poster ability -- while no other prospect has ever weighed 275 or more wiht less than 10% body fat (amongst those that took the body fat test), the ones who were closer to the 260-265 range and under 10% haven't been guys who tore up the league: some dude named Jason Keep in 2003. Art Parahouski, Thabeet. Brandon Hunter, Joey Dorsey, Festus Ezili etc. Still, the attempts to take what is unquestionably a huge and very iimpressive positive and somehow turn it into a negative are very bizarre. The guy is a physical specimen.
That is of course no guarantee of anything but shirtless poster ability -- while no other prospect has ever weighed 275 or more wiht less than 10% body fat (amongst those that took the body fat test), the ones who were closer to the 260-265 range and under 10% haven't been guys who tore up the league: some dude named Jason Keep in 2003. Art Parahouski, Thabeet. Brandon Hunter, Joey Dorsey, Festus Ezili etc. Still, the attempts to take what is unquestionably a huge and very iimpressive positive and somehow turn it into a negative are very bizarre. The guy is a physical specimen.
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Perhaps. I still wonder why it was said he lost 20 pounds prior to the combine when he actually gained weight. I thought he was 271 in college and 278 now. That's evidence although weak. 7 pounds a year gets your there in a few years. I was joking then I said it and am joking now. I sure don't have the energy nor time to get into an argument.
As athletic as he is, I still am not impressed with his attitude. There is plenty of evidence to support this. Is anyone surprised that he did well at the combine? Of course he did. His physical abilities are not the problem. Are we suddenly changing our minds because he measures well on physical skills? It's when he is playing 5 other guys of better skill then high school players that is the issue. It's not going to get easier in the NBA.
As athletic as he is, I still am not impressed with his attitude. There is plenty of evidence to support this. Is anyone surprised that he did well at the combine? Of course he did. His physical abilities are not the problem. Are we suddenly changing our minds because he measures well on physical skills? It's when he is playing 5 other guys of better skill then high school players that is the issue. It's not going to get easier in the NBA.
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Here's what I know: Jerry Rice, as people might or might not know, was a perfectionist and was constantly looking for ways of getting better. One year he thought he would get as thin as possible to improve his speed. He got down to slightly below 5% body fat and found that he lost a lot of energy. That proves nothing as far as Drummond goes but at least it shows that cuad is not an idiot. 
There IS a point where you can get too thin. Considering Drummond has gained a little weight I doubt if he has to worry much.
There IS a point where you can get too thin. Considering Drummond has gained a little weight I doubt if he has to worry much.
he might be
that guy in college may have been 20lbs too heavy and told to play out of position
would also lie to note I think they may have chanced something in how they were measuring reach this year. Nobody measured really long. Davis measure dout at 9' even. If so he's going to block about half a shot a game. I'm wondering if maybe in years passed they measured it wiht shoes, and then this year switched to without?
that guy in college may have been 20lbs too heavy and told to play out of position
would also lie to note I think they may have chanced something in how they were measuring reach this year. Nobody measured really long. Davis measure dout at 9' even. If so he's going to block about half a shot a game. I'm wondering if maybe in years passed they measured it wiht shoes, and then this year switched to without?
Here's what I know: Jerry Rice, as people might or might not know, was a perfectionist and was constantly looking for ways of getting better. One year he thought he would get as thin as possible to improve his speed. He got down to slightly below 5% body fat and found that he lost a lot of energy. That proves nothing as far as Drummond goes but at least it shows that cuad is not an idiot. There IS a point where you can get too thin. Considering Drummond has gained a little weight I doubt if he has to worry much.
There IS a point where you can get too thin. Considering Drummond has gained a little weight I doubt if he has to worry much.
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I'd take Drummond if available at 5. Even with my concerns:
Was exposed at UCONN to a degree (taking into account, he could've been still in HS)
Might take 2-4 years to groom
After those 2-4 years, he may be an "east coast" guy = Knicks, Celts, Brooklyn
Questionable bball IQ
Questionable motor
That's what an unique talent he may become, risks be damned. Just watching the deep playoff push should show you need the horses. It's cute having a playoff team, but if you want to go deeper, you've got to take the risk.
Was exposed at UCONN to a degree (taking into account, he could've been still in HS)
Might take 2-4 years to groom
After those 2-4 years, he may be an "east coast" guy = Knicks, Celts, Brooklyn
Questionable bball IQ
Questionable motor
That's what an unique talent he may become, risks be damned. Just watching the deep playoff push should show you need the horses. It's cute having a playoff team, but if you want to go deeper, you've got to take the risk.
I have no reason to think he might be. In fact, I find it incredibly disturbing that he's comparing himself to Kevin Durant. That doesn't sound like someone who takes himself seriously, it sounds like a dreamer who just wants screw around and get attention.
That would be relieving to hear, but I wouldn't assume so unless there's some kind of confirmation.
That would be relieving to hear, but I wouldn't assume so unless there's some kind of confirmation.
Here's what I know: Jerry Rice, as people might or might not know, was a perfectionist and was constantly looking for ways of getting better. One year he thought he would get as thin as possible to improve his speed. He got down to slightly below 5% body fat and found that he lost a lot of energy. That proves nothing as far as Drummond goes but at least it shows that cuad is not an idiot. There IS a point where you can get too thin. Considering Drummond has gained a little weight I doubt if he has to worry much.
There IS a point where you can get too thin. Considering Drummond has gained a little weight I doubt if he has to worry much.
I think everyone knows that I'm not a fan of how Drummond played this season, but if my choice is to choose between Henson, Drummond, and Sullinger as a big man, then I'm going to take a flyer on Drummond. I think Henson is just as much a risk long term as Drummond is, just for different reasons. Sullinger can't jump, and certainly can't play PF. Our only use for him would be to use him as a backup to Cousins. And thats fine, if thats what your looking for.
As far as Drummond comparing himself to Durant, I could care less. At least he compared himself to one of the best players in the NBA, that has a great work ethic. I'd be more worried if he compared himself to Brendan Haywood.
As far as Drummond comparing himself to Durant, I could care less. At least he compared himself to one of the best players in the NBA, that has a great work ethic. I'd be more worried if he compared himself to Brendan Haywood.
The position nomenclature is antiquated and inaccurate to describe today's game. It's mroe like this nowadays:
Lead guard
2 Swingmen
2 Bigs
If you get Drummond/Cuz, Cuz takes the slower player and Drummond takes the faster player. Not a lot of days where one will lose out on height, so all you have to do is switch based on mobility and/or better offensive player. I don't care what you call them, PF/C, C/PF. If Drummond is drafted, he's drafted specifically to rebound, take the star big, play weakside defense, shotblock, and be the highflying defensive anchor next to the supremely talented groundbound offensive juggernaut that is DMC. Every weakness of DMC can be covered up if Drummond turns into what he can be. IF.
If it works, you're looking at a big man duo that will be the talk of the league, with a perfect efficient hustle big in JT.
The problem is that it gives off the impression that he doesn't know what he really is. That's a problem with today's bigs, they're obsessed with playing out on the perimeter, and they end up playing stupid and having crappy fundamentals because of it. I'm so completely sick of it, it's ruining the game.
You could say that, or, you could say that he has an entirely different opinion of what his skills are and how he should be played. That he does know who he is, and UCONN didn't. Doesn't mean he's right. If you watched him play in highschool, his game was entirely different than how he was used at UCONN. I'm not trying to make excuses for him. But possibly explain his statement, and perhaps to some degree, his lackluster performance this year.
Personally I don't care what you call him. 50 years ago you had two guards, two forwards, and one center. Nothing has changed but the nomenclature. Silly to even argue over it.
Personally I don't care what you call him. 50 years ago you had two guards, two forwards, and one center. Nothing has changed but the nomenclature. Silly to even argue over it.
I doubt it, we would have heard something. I think it's just because he gets a lot of his height from his neck, both he and Drummond have lower shoulders than say Demarcus Cousins who has very broad and high shoulders. It's not always length, its also timing and that's the super talent that Davis has. I doubt his superstar potential big time but we've seen just insanely timed blocks from him. He's also a quick leaper. Then again Crowder grew almost 2 inches so who knows.
I've been giving this a lot of thought. Shows I have too much time on my hands, but, I can't get Meyers Leonard out of my head. He did a great job at the combine, and proved he's up there in an elite class as far as athleticism goes for big men. He played on a guard oriented team, with bad guards. They seldom got him the ball in the post when he wanted/needed it. Despite the team being dysfunctional, he did manage to make good improvements from his freshman to sophmore years. Personally, I would take him over Zeller or Henson. Simply on upside alone. He's a better athlete than Zeller, and probably a better athlete than Henson. And unlike Henson, he already weighs 245 pounds. He also proved he could block shots at Illinois.
If he had played at one of the top basketball schools, I'd bet your house that he would be rated higher on most mocks. I think this kid is going to be pretty good in a couple of years, and in the end, be a better player than either Henson or Zeller. You notice I'm not comparing him to Drummond. So many grey areas with Drummond, its hard to make a comparison. He's not the athlete Drummond is, but he's not that far behind. And he seems to have more fire in his belly.
You have to admit, this draft is a lot more fun to talk about than last years. A lot more talent available.
If he had played at one of the top basketball schools, I'd bet your house that he would be rated higher on most mocks. I think this kid is going to be pretty good in a couple of years, and in the end, be a better player than either Henson or Zeller. You notice I'm not comparing him to Drummond. So many grey areas with Drummond, its hard to make a comparison. He's not the athlete Drummond is, but he's not that far behind. And he seems to have more fire in his belly.
You have to admit, this draft is a lot more fun to talk about than last years. A lot more talent available.
