Tyreke is NOT happy

[bajaden]

Posting up is:

1) a rare skill in a guard
2) almost entirely coaching/scheme dependent. You don't just randomly decide to post if its not part of the offense.
3) He has a strength advantage over all PGs, over many SGs, and over few SFs. Now who has he been matched up with for months now?

Tyreke can start taking blame for not posting more when a) his coach is trying to post him against b) players his size or smaller. Every once in a while, including two games ago with a sequence at the end of the third against Harden, one of our idiot coaches will scribble something on the whiteboard and say hmm...wonder if we could post him? And do it for a possession or two. We have neer at any point in Reke's three years in the league stuck with it for any length of time. Reke's fault? Perhaps he is not a good enough post player in practice? Maybe. But its not like we've seen hardly ANY guard postups from anybody on our team over that span. Safest assumption has to be it simply has not been a part of our offense. And now he'd have to post up SFs, which just ain't happening.

Should Westphal have had him posting as a PG? Absolutely. But Westphal was an idiot and didn't beleive in silly things like plays.

What I'm speaking to, is Tyreke's future in the league. I don't deny that the team has a responsibilty to develop its young players. Both to the team and the players benefit. But all great players take it upon themselves to become great. Its hard work, and if done, that hard work will show itself on the court. I'm not here to bash Tyreke. He's one of my favorite players on the team. But, you can be critical of a player without malice. Just like I can be critical of my son if I think he's wrongheaded.

But maybe I haven't been clear. Tyreke has no future at the SF position. Playing him there is a huge mistake, and it takes away all his strengths. Tyreke needs to play in a position where he has the ball in his hands more, and where he retains his size advantage. And to my mind, thats either of the guard positions. I listed posting up, because its a way to get to the basket, but in a more controled way. He should learn to do it, not because the team wants him to, but because it will help him be a better player, and give him one more option.

I'm a huge self responsibility guy, and if you have to wait around for someone else to tell you what to do and what to work on, then I start to question your motivations. I played baseball, and not once in my short career, did I need anyone to prompt me to work on my game. And I didn't need anyone to tell me what to work on. Tyreke has the ability to be a great player. Whether thats as a PG or not, I don't care. But I do know it won't be as a SF. And, if Tyreke becomes a great player, the Kings are on their way to becoming a great team. And thats what I care about.

 

[bajaden]

Sessions seems to have given them quite a life though in their play.

I've always liked Sessions. I liked him coming out of Nevada. I thought it was a shame that he got traded by the Bucks just when it seemed his was finally getting it all together..

 

[Bricklayer]

What I'm speaking to, is Tyreke's future in the league. I don't deny that the team has a responsibilty to develop its young players. Both to the team and the players benefit. But all great players take it upon themselves to become great. Its hard work, and if done, that hard work will show itself on the court. I'm not here to bash Tyreke. He's one of my favorite players on the team. But, you can be critical of a player without malice. Just like I can be critical of my son if I think he's wrongheaded.

But maybe I haven't been clear. Tyreke has no future at the SF position. Playing him there is a huge mistake, and it takes away all his strengths. Tyreke needs to play in a position where he has the ball in his hands more, and where he retains his size advantage. And to my mind, thats either of the guard positions. I listed posting up, because its a way to get to the basket, but in a more controled way. He should learn to do it, not because the team wants him to, but because it will help him be a better player, and give him one more option.

I'm a huge self responsibility guy, and if you have to wait around for someone else to tell you what to do and what to work on, then I start to question your motivations. I played baseball, and not once in my short career, did I need anyone to prompt me to work on my game. And I didn't need anyone to tell me what to work on. Tyreke has the ability to be a great player. Whether thats as a PG or not, I don't care. But I do know it won't be as a SF. And, if Tyreke becomes a great player, the Kings are on their way to becoming a great team. And thats what I care about.

You may be misunderstanding my point, or one of them at least: Tyreke could be the greatest post up guard since Michael Jordan and we would never know it. If you told me that in the past 3 years Tyreke had had fewer than two dozen postup opportunities I would not even blink and just accept it as fact. We have no idea if he has a post game, if he works on it or antyhign else, because he has never had an opportunity to show it. And nwo at SF there is no reasonable possiblity for him to use one at all.

 

[rhythmless]

What I'm speaking to, is Tyreke's future in the league. I don't deny that the team has a responsibilty to develop its young players. Both to the team and the players benefit. But all great players take it upon themselves to become great. Its hard work, and if done, that hard work will show itself on the court. I'm not here to bash Tyreke. He's one of my favorite players on the team. But, you can be critical of a player without malice. Just like I can be critical of my son if I think he's wrongheaded.

But maybe I haven't been clear. Tyreke has no future at the SF position. Playing him there is a huge mistake, and it takes away all his strengths. Tyreke needs to play in a position where he has the ball in his hands more, and where he retains his size advantage. And to my mind, thats either of the guard positions. I listed posting up, because its a way to get to the basket, but in a more controled way. He should learn to do it, not because the team wants him to, but because it will help him be a better player, and give him one more option.

I'm a huge self responsibility guy, and if you have to wait around for someone else to tell you what to do and what to work on, then I start to question your motivations. I played baseball, and not once in my short career, did I need anyone to prompt me to work on my game. And I didn't need anyone to tell me what to work on. Tyreke has the ability to be a great player. Whether thats as a PG or not, I don't care. But I do know it won't be as a SF. And, if Tyreke becomes a great player, the Kings are on their way to becoming a great team. And thats what I care about.

*slow clap*

Tyreke has a lot of excuses as to why he hasn't improved. Poor management, poor team fit, lazy idiotic GM, lack of plays, bad coaching. He can blame them all if he wants to, and he'll have some credibility in those arguments. But if he wants to put in the effort to overcome all this and become a dominant guard right now, he has all the tools. He has access to a gym, a ball, and a court. I'm not saying it's easy, but at the end of the day, his legacy (or lack thereof) will land only on him.

 

[The Hammer]

Not sure what you're trying to prove with the numbers. Care to clarify a bit?

You dont think Tyreke picked up some bad habits with the way Westphal played him?

That his assist numbers shot way up during the "put Reke above the team during the marketing gimmick of his 20-5-5 quest which totally spoiled him as a player and now he thinks he can run the show and he's a ballhog and you drink my milkshake "

This one example of using the numbers where you just can't argue.

 

[rainmaker]

But if the lane is shut off and continually attacking it results in bad misses and turnovers, then the defense has won. Kobe, Lebron and Jordan improved their outside shot. It is a necessity. It doesn't mean they became passive, it means they could be aggressive in more than one way.

Yes, I agree Reke improving his jumper is a necessity. My biggest knock on Reke isn't his lack of a jumper though, but that if that final step to the basket is taken away, or he's driving in and sees help coming over, he hasn't added a single shot he can go to when that final step or two is taken away.

Whether it's a soft kiss off glass from the angle, a teardrop, a floater, a little pullup 10-12 footer, whatever it is, he needs to add at least something he can got to in that 5-12 ft range. And given he can get to that spot on the floor easier than just about anyone in the game, it's even more important for him.

But Petrie and Smart with his lineups have done Reke no favors either when he is attacking the paint. We all see Reke kickout and set guys up numerous times from that same 5-12ft range, and they brick at one of the worst rates in the league, and has been the worst for most of the year. Surrounding Reke/Cuz with shooters will considerably help open both attacking and passing lanes for them, and for Reke even without a jumper. Notice when Rondo, who's a terrible shooter gets into the paint, he has more opportunities than a guy like Reke because the guys he's playing with demand the defense stay honest. Like Rondo, when the defense sags off because they don't respect the jumper, he can still get into the paint pretty much when he wants. Difference is with Rondo guys aren't running over to help and clog the paint because of Bostons shooters. If they help at all, Rondo finds the open man. When they don't, he's getting a clearer path to the hoop than Reke usually does.

Some(not saying you) act as if not having a jumper is all that what is killing Reke. It hurts him, no doubt. But what hurts just as much is this roster, lineups, spacing and complete lack of a system. Put Reke on Bos now, and without any improvement in his jumper he's getting easier looks at the rim, more attacking and passing lanes because of the surroundings, offense ran in Bos, and his asts would shoot up. This doesn't excuse his lack of a jumper or more importantly in my mind a midrange game, but this organization has done him no favors, and even without that jumper he could and should be much more effective.

Not related, but anyone see MT's recent tweets, or I should say re-tweets? Apparently on NBATV he was ranked as the #5 SG in the league, and he keeps retweeting tweets about that. Maybe nothing wrong with that per se, but comes across as selfish to me, and enjoying pointing out his own statistical achievements in a public forum while the team has played like absolute s*** rubs me the wrong way. If Reke was doing that his rookie year, and retweeting comparisons to the other 20/5/5 guys while the team sucked, fans would have blasted him for just being concerned with his numbers and putting himself before the team. Not the first time MT has done this either. To be honest, I follow a number of NBA players on twitter, and I don't remember seeing any others retweeting tweets of fans praising them. And this isn't one or two from MT, but he's retweeted 5+ tweets singing his praise. Haven;t seen that from another player, especially on a cellar dweller.

 

[The Hammer]

*slow clap*

Tyreke has a lot of excuses as to why he hasn't improved. Poor management, poor team fit, lazy idiotic GM, lack of plays, bad coaching. He can blame them all if he wants to, and he'll have some credibility in those arguments. But if he wants to put in the effort to overcome all this and become a dominant guard right now, he has all the tools. He has access to a gym, a ball, and a court. I'm not saying it's easy, but at the end of the day, his legacy (or lack thereof) will land only on him.

Get real, please. SMART PLAYS HIM AT SF. HE HASN'T COMPLAINED TILL NOW BECAUSE HE'S A GOOD CHARACTER GUY AND A GOOD TEAMMATE. Do we need to take out a billboard ad?

And the ONLY time he wasn't jerked around (during the "campaign" for rookie of the year), he was a dominant guard, putting up some of the best numbers in the league. With virtually no help.

Last year the jerking around started, and he also had the injury. This year the jerking around continued and just got to horrific levels, and now he plays the ****ing shooting forward position.

He's actually a better player than his rookie year, but defenses have also adjusted. In particular, he passing has improved. But now I can't point to assist numbers cause he's playing SF. Too bad we didn't have a consistent and good coach who could ease him through that whole second year thing, especially post injury, and continue to build a coherent basketball system for him to fourish in and eventually integrate the dominant big man we all knew we needed to pair with him, and miraculously got. This team has won the draft talent lottery. If we blow our winnings on casinos and lawsuits, Ima be pissed, and, like Brick, likely just leave the Kingdom. THAT, is why I'm rooting for Lehane and KJ so hard.

 

[VF21]

Get real, please. SMART PLAYS HIM AT SF. HE HASN'T COMPLAINED TILL NOW BECAUSE HE'S A GOOD CHARACTER GUY AND A GOOD TEAMMATE. Do we need to take out a billboard ad?

Best. Post. Ever.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

EGADS!!! Double Egads actually since I just typed this post out and then miss hit a key and lost the whole thing and have to start over. But my lord, that myth above is like the frickin' clap! It just spreads and spreads and no matter how many times you confront it it keeps coming back. Ok look, so so very tired of making this point, so please try to understand the numbers I am going to show you here, and next time somebody makes this silly Reke chasing 20-5-5 as a bad thing claim YOU can point these out insted of me and say to whoever, "well...not sure the numbers back up that claim":

So here, ONE MORE TIME (think its about 1,478 for me now):
Tyreke Evans 2009 PRE-All Star: 36.9min 20.3pts (.460 .261 .789) 4.8reb 5.2ast 1.6stl 0.5blk 2.9TO on 16.1FGA
Tyreke Evans 2009 POST-All Star: 37.7min 19.8pts (.452 .245 .677) 6.2reb 6.9ast 1.4stl 0.2blk 3.2TO on 16.4FGA

What were these bad habits he developed? What was this lack of accountability that suddenly popped up? I was not aware rebounding and assisting were team negatives. Perhaps we should try to ban those in the future. Scratch that, we already have.

If Tyreke is playing so well with the stats that you have posted, then why havent we won more games with Cousins also playing a solid season?

Tyreke did not show any leadership or look like he helped the team as a whole this season so I think that is the main reason why all the hate is going towards him. He needs to work harder on that. At the end of the day, he needs to help this team win games, and after his third season, he has failed all 3 seasons except the first 10 games or so in his first season.

 

[rhythmless]

Get real, please. SMART PLAYS HIM AT SF. HE HASN'T COMPLAINED TILL NOW BECAUSE HE'S A GOOD CHARACTER GUY AND A GOOD TEAMMATE. Do we need to take out a billboard ad?

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, if you agree with Smart, or if you actually think Tyreke is a SF. I also am not sure as to why the capitalized portions are capitalized.

Tyreke isn't in the SF position because he is one. He's there because Smart thinks he lacks enough guard abilities and Smart also lacks a competent SF.

 

[rainmaker]

If Tyreke is playing so well with the stats that you have posted, then why havent we won more games with Cousins also playing a solid season?

Tyreke did not show any leadership or look like he helped the team as a whole this season so I think that is the main reason why all the hate is going towards him. He needs to work harder on that. At the end of the day, he needs to help this team win games, and after his third season, he has failed all 3 seasons except the first 10 games or so in his first season.

Those are rookie stats...

 

[The Hammer]

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, if you agree with Smart, or if you actually think Tyreke is a SF. I also am not sure as to why the capitalized portions are capitalized.

Tyreke isn't in the SF position because he is one. He's there because Smart thinks he lacks enough guard abilities and Smart also lacks a competent SF.

Yeah I get a little worked up sometimes. You can't really become a "dominant guard" in the league if you are playing SF. By just like... going to the gym with your ball.

That he WAS a dominant guard, and now is moved to SF, because 1) we don't have a good one and 2) Smart refuses to play Donte there. Is totally ridiculous.

If Smart thinks Tyreke "lacks enough guard abilities" he should seek professional help. Tyreke was a few weeks past 20 when he started his first NBA game. His talent is through the roof. You don't move that to SF, you develop it... at guard... in games.

It's so ridiculous that it reminds me of he Maloofs, in fact. Perhaps they're the ones insisting IT start. But then Smart can't sit Marcus because he goes to church with his mom or something.

In a sensible world, you'd start Tyreke at lead guard, give him the ball, tell him to attack, put MT next to him to hit catch and shoot threes, start Donte or Salmons at the three, and have IT play 28 mins a night off the bench. This can be balanced with tossing it into Cuz to let him work down low, or even going through the high post and letting Cuz work one on one or find cutters.

Does anybody agree with me that this should more or less be the template? (minor tweaks aside).

 

[VF21]

If Tyreke is playing so well with the stats that you have posted, then why havent we won more games with Cousins also playing a solid season?

Because you cannot win games without a TEAM. We don't have a team. We have a bunch of players, some of whom are very good and some of whom are not very good, who happen to wear matching uniforms.

 

[VF21]

In a sensible world, you'd start Tyreke at lead guard, give him the ball, tell him to attack, put MT next to him to hit catch and shoot threes, start Donte or Salmons at the three, and have IT play 28 mins a night off the bench. This can be balanced with tossing it into Cuz to let him work down low, or even going through the high post and letting Cuz work one on one or find cutters.

Does anybody agree with me that this should more or less be the template? (minor tweaks aside).

There's the fatal flaw in your template.

 

[rainmaker]

Yeah I get a little worked up sometimes. You can't really become a "dominant guard" in the league if you are playing SF. Just like... going to the gym with your ball.

That he WAS a dominant guard, and now is moved to SF, because 1) we don't have a good one and 2) Smart refuses to play Donte there. Is totally ridiculous.

It's so ridiculous that it reminds me of he Maloofs, in fact. Perhaps they're the ones insisting IT start. But then Smart can't sit Marcus because he goes to church with his mom or something.

In a sensible world, you'd start Tyreke at lead guard, give him the ball, tell him to attack, put MT next to him to hit catch and shoot threes, start Donte or Salmons at the three, and have IT play 28 mins a night off the bench. This can be balanced with tossing it into Cuz to let him work down low, or even going through the high post and letting Cuz work one on one or find cutters.

Does anybody agree with me that this should more or less be the template? (minor tweaks aside).

Dude, pretty sure we've both, and a few others have been saying this for ages. No you're not alone.

Also think you're right about IT/MT. I do think due to the ROY campaign, Smart can't sit IT. Brought it up a while ago, business became involved with what happens on the court, and then I at least believe the ROY crap went to IT's head. Still like him, still think he can help us, but in a more limited capacity. Then the MT's family and Smarts family dynamic comes into play, because you have to sit either IT/MT unless you're just an idiot. But the FO/Maloofs appear to have prevented Smart from having the option of bringing IT off the bench once the ROY crap started, which led to Smart being forced to possibly bench MT, a guy who's family is connected to his own, same high school, same church, back in NO. Smart never made that decision.

I'll add, same thing happened with Beidrens in GS. Smart went to Latvia for 3 weeks in the summer to work with him. Grew close to him. Then when Smart took over that same season, he rode Biedrens and stuck by him no matter how poor his play, which was downright terrible. No one could explain why Biedrens wasn't planted firmly on the bench, as his play was terrible, yet Smart continued to ride him. I do get a strong sense Smart plays favorites, hitches himself to a few players, and attempts to ride their coatales.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

What I'm speaking to, is Tyreke's future in the league. I don't deny that the team has a responsibilty to develop its young players. Both to the team and the players benefit. But all great players take it upon themselves to become great. Its hard work, and if done, that hard work will show itself on the court. I'm not here to bash Tyreke. He's one of my favorite players on the team. But, you can be critical of a player without malice. Just like I can be critical of my son if I think he's wrongheaded.

But maybe I haven't been clear. Tyreke has no future at the SF position. Playing him there is a huge mistake, and it takes away all his strengths. Tyreke needs to play in a position where he has the ball in his hands more, and where he retains his size advantage. And to my mind, thats either of the guard positions. I listed posting up, because its a way to get to the basket, but in a more controled way. He should learn to do it, not because the team wants him to, but because it will help him be a better player, and give him one more option.

I'm a huge self responsibility guy, and if you have to wait around for someone else to tell you what to do and what to work on, then I start to question your motivations. I played baseball, and not once in my short career, did I need anyone to prompt me to work on my game. And I didn't need anyone to tell me what to work on. Tyreke has the ability to be a great player. Whether thats as a PG or not, I don't care. But I do know it won't be as a SF. And, if Tyreke becomes a great player, the Kings are on their way to becoming a great team. And thats what I care about.

I am in total agreement with this last paragraph. 100%.

I don't know Tyreke Evans, obviously. But I know as much about him as I can possibly know about him without actually knowing him ... if that makes sense. I think his brothers and crew have taken him a long way, but It makes me wonder if they have taken him the whole way. Does he want to get better or are his brother pushing him to get better? did HE want the shot doctor or did his brothers hire the shot doctor for him?

You get so much more out of working out and getting better if that's what you want to do. Tyreke comes across as very impressionable. And with his crew, its good and bad. Bad in the sense that they can tell him to promote their brand and promote clubs and he'll do it because he always listens to them. Good because he'll work out and work with shot doctors because they tell him too. How bad does HE want it? I really cannot tell. My gut tells me (along with a skill set that hasn't improved much from his rookie year) that he's content with the player he is right now. I'm not going to trade a guy because of a gut feeling, but it's something I think about with him a lot. He's young, maybe he'll grow out of it .. maybe he'll start thinking for himself a bit more. I hope that happens.

I really struggle with this whole jump shot thing. I see it with Rondo here in Boston too. Shooting is one of the few basketball skills you CAN get better at. It happens all the time. It's hard to become a better defender, or passer, or rebounder .. those things take a lot more time and the road to becoming better at those things isn't clear. Shooting, though .. that's something that should be relatively 'easy' to improve.

 

[rainmaker]

I am in total agreement with this last paragraph. 100%.

I don't know Tyreke Evans, obviously. But I know as much about him as I can possibly know about him without actually knowing him ... if that makes sense. I think his brothers and crew have taken him a long way, but It makes me wonder if they have taken him the whole way. Does he want to get better or are his brother pushing him to get better? did HE want the shot doctor or did his brothers hire the shot doctor for him?

You get so much more out of working out and getting better if that's what you want to do. Tyreke comes across as very impressionable. And with his crew, its good and bad. Bad in the sense that they can tell him to promote their brand and promote clubs and he'll do it because he always listens to them. Good because he'll work out and work with shot doctors because they tell him too. How bad does HE want it? I really cannot tell. My gut tells me (along with a skill set that hasn't improved much from his rookie year) that he's content with the player he is right now. I'm not going to trade a guy because of a gut feeling, but it's something I think about with him a lot. He's young, maybe he'll grow out of it .. maybe he'll start thinking for himself a bit more. I hope that happens.

I really struggle with this whole jump shot thing. I see it with Rondo here in Boston too. Shooting is one of the few basketball skills you CAN get better at. It happens all the time. It's hard to become a better defender, or passer, or rebounder .. those things take a lot more time and the road to becoming better at those things isn't clear. Shooting, though .. that's something that should be relatively 'easy' to improve.

 

[The Hammer]

There's the fatal flaw in your template.

Well, would have been best case for this season, but obviously we need to spend some cash to get Batum or Kirilenko. Doubt any free agent is touching this radioactive situation though.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Yea, I've seen the video, some of it sounds promising, some of it is the same old stuff that worries me. At the beginning they said this has been in the works for years, and that Reggie knew the shot doctor for a long time and that it was just a timing and schedule thing that put it off until now. Doc even said "Reggie had this thing planned"

But, whatever. That doesn't even matter. I'm glad Reke is getting the help, that's the most important thing, but that doesn't mean I don't worry about his motivation sometimes.

 

[rainmaker]

Yea, I've seen the video, some of it sounds promising, some of it is the same old stuff that worries me. At the beginning they said this has been in the works for years, and that Reggie knew the shot doctor for a long time and that it was just a timing and schedule thing that put it off until now. Doc even said "Reggie had this thing planned"

But, whatever. That doesn't even matter. I'm glad Reke is getting the help, that's the most important thing, but that doesn't mean I don't worry about his motivation sometimes.

I tend to agree. I do worry about Reke's motivation. There's been too many comments/rumors and not enough overall results(all the team/stuff aside) not to worry. I believe his brothers care and want to help, and may be helping with this shot doctor and other plans this summer, but I'm not confident they're the ones for the job.

 

[Gilles]

*slow clap*

Tyreke has a lot of excuses as to why he hasn't improved. Poor management, poor team fit, lazy idiotic GM, lack of plays, bad coaching. He can blame them all if he wants to, and he'll have some credibility in those arguments. But if he wants to put in the effort to overcome all this and become a dominant guard right now, he has all the tools. He has access to a gym, a ball, and a court. I'm not saying it's easy, but at the end of the day, his legacy (or lack thereof) will land only on him.

I used to only accept these excuses before but lately I change my perception about his career. I think hype and historical nature of his rookie season got in his head and perhaps he thought he was heading to HOF without improving as a player. I also think his second season with all the injuries put a scare into him and he realized he may even be out of the League if injuries continue and he lose his quickness. So he tried to work this summer without knowledge how to do it as a pro, without help from coaching staff due to lockout. I believe this off-season will probably most indicative of his career - if he'll show real progress then he's still on his way to stardom.
P.S. Kyle Lowry showed resemblance of consistant jumpshot in his 5th NBA season after 2 years at Villanova. Tyreke has too much tools to give up on him this early.

 

[bajaden]

You may be misunderstanding my point, or one of them at least: Tyreke could be the greatest post up guard since Michael Jordan and we would never know it. If you told me that in the past 3 years Tyreke had had fewer than two dozen postup opportunities I would not even blink and just accept it as fact. We have no idea if he has a post game, if he works on it or antyhign else, because he has never had an opportunity to show it. And nwo at SF there is no reasonable possiblity for him to use one at all.

Gotcha! OK, then I think were in agreement. If indeed the Kings have never suggested to Tyreke to post up his man, especailly when he was at the point, that would insane. He would draw a double almost every time opening up cuts and backdoors. But then that would actually call for some sort of game plan...

 

[bajaden]

There's the fatal flaw in your template.

My gut tells me that neither of those players will be here next season.

 

[bajaden]

I used to only accept these excuses before but lately I change my perception about his career. I think hype and historical nature of his rookie season got in his head and perhaps he thought he was heading to HOF without improving as a player. I also think his second season with all the injuries put a scare into him and he realized he may even be out of the League if injuries continue and he lose his quickness. So he tried to work this summer without knowledge how to do it as a pro, without help from coaching staff due to lockout. I believe this off-season will probably most indicative of his career - if he'll show real progress then he's still on his way to stardom.
P.S. Kyle Lowry showed resemblance of consistant jumpshot in his 5th NBA season after 2 years at Villanova. Tyreke has too much tools to give up on him this early.

I agree with some of what you said. I won't speculate on what was in Tyreke's mind his first two years in the league, but I do know it helps to have a Jordan, or Chris Mullns or a Larry Bird etc. on your team. A proven star or superstar. Because then a player like Tyreke, or Cousins would see first hand how much work those guys put in to stay at the top of the totem pole. Most of the great players put in 8 hour days during the offseason working on new moves and shooting the ball thousands of times.

So your right, players like Cousins and Tyreke have no idea the amount of work it takes to be a great player. They do what they think is necessary, and its not enough. Like everything else, its a learning process.

 

[mac]

Gotcha! OK, then I think were in agreement. If indeed the Kings have never suggested to Tyreke to post up his man, especailly when he was at the point, that would insane. He would draw a double almost every time opening up cuts and backdoors. But then that would actually call for some sort of game plan...

If you recall we actually did post him up at times in his rookie season. The most vivid memory I have of that was posting him against Deron Williams when he was still on the Jazz.

Then again, many things we've done successfully in the last 2 years have somehow been lost... Remember how some thought Cousins would be averaging close to 5 assists this year? When was the last time you saw Cousins flip it over his shoulder to a cutter? We had Beno and Tyreke going backdoor all the time last year.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

If Tyreke is playing so well with the stats that you have posted, then why havent we won more games with Cousins also playing a solid season?

 

[Warhawk]

Agreed. We need a REAL coach. One who doesn't use smallball and force one of the most physically dominant guards in the game to play at SF.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

My gut tells me that neither of those players will be here next season.

How are we going to get rid of Salmons? Owners who don't have the money to pay $3.25M of predevelopment costs can't just amnesty a player owed north of $16M over the next three years whose salary helps them meet the minimum.

 

[Section 101]

I agree with some of what you said. I won't speculate on what was in Tyreke's mind his first two years in the league,

3 min mark of the video.

 

[Gilles]

How are we going to get rid of Salmons? Owners who don't have the money to pay $3.25M of predevelopment costs can't just amnesty a player owed north of $16M over the next three years whose salary helps them meet the minimum.

You buy him out. Kings are close to salary floor. Bought out salary still counts as part of team salary. Kings are at $44 million without Thompson (at least $6 million) and likely top-6 pick (above $2,5 million).