It's early, but anybody have a draft wish list yet?

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Speaking of Austin btw - classic Baylor recruit won't you say? seems like he's another talent without the demeanor type of kid.. seemed allergic to contact in the times i've seen him and wants to shoot jumpshots all day.

Ford also have us picking Drummond at number 4 in his mock draft btw - I seriously don't see that happening. if we don't make the playoffs next year heads will be cut - I can't possibly see us grabbing arguably the most raw top prospect in this draft to top it all off.
 
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Boogie-havoc said:
Speaking of Austin btw - classic Baylor recruit won't you say? seems like he's another talent without the demeanor type of kid.. seemed allergic to contact in the times i've seen him and wants to shoot jumpshots all day.

Ford also have us picking Drummond at number 4 in his mock draft btw - I seriously don't see that happening. if we don't make the playoffs next year heads will be cut - I can't possibly see us grabbing arguably the most raw top prospect in this draft to top it all off.
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Drummond is very raw offensively, but I dont see him having any problem translating his defensive and rebounding skills. Would I rather have Davis yes, but if we end up picking 4th I would have no problem picking up a guy who is only 18 built like a man and not to long ago was considered the top prospect. This kid has a long way to go, but if he gets there your talking about a combo between Cousins and Drummond nobody else could really match. I would venture to say that Davis scares me more than drummond mainly because of his frame. In a lot of the games I saw he got moved around pretty easily by bigger players, but inevitably his length made up the difference. In the nba I dont see that length factoring in as much mainly because he will be facing guys on a nightly basis with comparable length and the strength that I dont think Davis has yet, but only time will tell.
 
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Drummond is very raw offensively, but I dont see him having any problem translating his defensive and rebounding skills. Would I rather have Davis yes, but if we end up picking 4th I would have no problem picking up a guy who is only 18 built like a man and not to long ago was considered the top prospect. This kid has a long way to go, but if he gets there your talking about a combo between Cousins and Drummond nobody else could really match. I would venture to say that Davis scares me more than drummond mainly because of his frame. In a lot of the games I saw he got moved around pretty easily by bigger players, but inevitably his length made up the difference. In the nba I dont see that length factoring in as much mainly because he will be facing guys on a nightly basis with comparable length and the strength that I dont think Davis has yet, but only time will tell.
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Yeah, I agree with most of this. Like every young player it's going to come down to work-ethic and desire to get better for both of them. Players like Davis with great basketball instincts have a better track record of making the necessary adjustments, but he's not a sure thing either. With Drummond he's more potential than finished product and you're gambling on how much of his potential he can cash in. I wouldn't go so far as to say Davis scares me more than Drummond, but I think the people talking about trading Tyreke for Davis are overreacting and so are the people talking about avoiding Drummond at all costs.
 
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Kings4life23 said:
I would venture to say that Davis scares me more than drummond mainly because of his frame. In a lot of the games I saw he got moved around pretty easily by bigger players, but inevitably his length made up the difference. In the nba I dont see that length factoring in as much mainly because he will be facing guys on a nightly basis with comparable length and the strength that I dont think Davis has yet, but only time will tell.
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Davis does not have frame issue. He's basically got the same frame Tim Duncan had as a college freshman. There's really no legitimate concern about Davis.
 
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Yeah, Davis has fairly broad shoulders, he can fill out nicely.
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When Henson was a freshman at N. Carolina, he weighed around 190 pounds. Now three years later, he weighs around 215/220. Davis just turned 19 years old, and already weighs 220 pounds. So I agree, its a non issue. He has a nice frame, and most of the scouts I follow, would take him over Griffin, if both were coming out in the same year. I'd say in general, that its a pretty big compliment that if the only thing you can find to say negative about a player, is that he doesn't weigh enough. Not referring to you of course....
 
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Unlike last year's draft, this is a draft that's mostly hinged on potential. I felt that many of these players needed another year of school, or if they're past the three-year mark, I just think they're simply overrated and will suffer at the next level. Our wish list ideally should be a shotblocking PF to pair with Cousins. I'm glad to see Whiteside's producing--I had him 11th rated in my wish list that year--and I'm also glad that Honeycutt--who was my 10th rated last year--seems to have flashes of good play as well. I'd really, really like Jeff Withey on this team--I'm abnormally high on his prospects, but I think he's staying another year. Complements Cousins' game well.

But the top end of the draft doesn't really give us any good complementary players. We've wrongly used Tyreke as SF in our small lineups, we sometimes have T-Will there, we have Francisco, Donte might be able to spot there given that he can't rebound, our project Honeycutt...in other words, we have a ton of SFs, so I'm not sure we need another one. Same with SGs, where we have Thornton/Reke who can easily hold down the spot. PG can be an issue, but we don't need another young one so the draft is m00t in that respect. That's why PF might be the position...Thompson could easily leave this summer, Hayes is slipping already, and we need a shotblocker there. Whiteside is an adequate backup to Big Cuz at C.

As I said, unless we strike the jackpot with Anthony Davis, nothing's terribly intriguing. Withey and Cody Zeller are going back to school, so the next PF down my list would be Tony Mitchell, a 6'9" 220 lb athletic jumping jack shotblocking extraordinaire who comes with a lot of attitude baggage. With Cuz in tow, not sure if management would go that route, and anyway he's way too high to draft in the lottery--if we can snag him with a late first round pick, that could be ideal. Jared Sullinger and Terrence Jones are power forward tweeners who won't complement this team well at all, and I have several low lying undersized sleepers (Jae Crowder/Arsalan Kazemi) who might not work either. John Henson is another jumping jack who could work. I guess my list is:

1) Anthony Davis
2) Tony Mitchell (North Texas)
3) John Henson

But for the latter two we would need to trade down, they're not worth lottery picks.

Here's a list of guys we should avoid (I really question their NBA-readiness; if they're at the 1-2 year mark, they need another year; if they're at years 3 and beyond, I really wonder if they're as good as their draft position~further down the list, the more skeptical I am)
1) Harrison Barnes
2) Austin Rivers
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Andre Drummond
5) Kendall Marshall
6) Tyler Zeller
7) Andrew Nicholson
8) Meyers Leonard
9) Perry Jones
10) Arnett Moultrie
11) Kevin Jones
 
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Unlike last year's draft, this is a draft that's mostly hinged on potential. I felt that many of these players needed another year of school, or if they're past the three-year mark, I just think they're simply overrated and will suffer at the next level. Our wish list ideally should be a shotblocking PF to pair with Cousins. I'm glad to see Whiteside's producing--I had him 11th rated in my wish list that year--and I'm also glad that Honeycutt--who was my 10th rated last year--seems to have flashes of good play as well. I'd really, really like Jeff Withey on this team--I'm abnormally high on his prospects, but I think he's staying another year. Complements Cousins' game well.

But the top end of the draft doesn't really give us any good complementary players. We've wrongly used Tyreke as SF in our small lineups, we sometimes have T-Will there, we have Francisco, Donte might be able to spot there given that he can't rebound, our project Honeycutt...in other words, we have a ton of SFs, so I'm not sure we need another one. Same with SGs, where we have Thornton/Reke who can easily hold down the spot. PG can be an issue, but we don't need another young one so the draft is m00t in that respect. That's why PF might be the position...Thompson could easily leave this summer, Hayes is slipping already, and we need a shotblocker there. Whiteside is an adequate backup to Big Cuz at C.

As I said, unless we strike the jackpot with Anthony Davis, nothing's terribly intriguing. Withey and Cody Zeller are going back to school, so the next PF down my list would be Tony Mitchell, a 6'9" 220 lb athletic jumping jack shotblocking extraordinaire who comes with a lot of attitude baggage. With Cuz in tow, not sure if management would go that route, and anyway he's way too high to draft in the lottery--if we can snag him with a late first round pick, that could be ideal. Jared Sullinger and Terrence Jones are power forward tweeners who won't complement this team well at all, and I have several low lying undersized sleepers (Jae Crowder/Arsalan Kazemi) who might not work either. John Henson is another jumping jack who could work. I guess my list is:

1) Anthony Davis
2) Tony Mitchell (North Texas)
3) John Henson

But for the latter two we would need to trade down, they're not worth lottery picks.

Here's a list of guys we should avoid (I really question their NBA-readiness; if they're at the 1-2 year mark, they need another year; if they're at years 3 and beyond, I really wonder if they're as good as their draft position~further down the list, the more skeptical I am)
1) Harrison Barnes
2) Austin Rivers
3) Thomas Robinson
4) Andre Drummond
5) Kendall Marshall
6) Tyler Zeller
7) Andrew Nicholson
8) Meyers Leonard
9) Perry Jones
10) Arnett Moultrie
11) Kevin Jones
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Obviously I'm going to disagree with some of the players you have on that list. Applying the three year rule to Thomas Robinson just doesn't make any sense. He has great year this year, but he basicly didn't play his first two years at Kansas thanks to the Morris twins. So its not like he had the same chance that a Henson or a Zeller had from the get go. Is he still a little raw? Yes, but he has great potential. I guess I'm always amazed how you just discard players as though they're a finished product right now. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. I think you have to do some research and see why they are who they are. Moultrie is another guy that played two years at one school at SF and then transfered to Miss St. and played PF. I think it hurts a players development in the short term when they change teams, coaches and positions. Moultrie could end up being the surprise of the draft.

If you don't like Kendall Marshall, then its just a matter of me looking at things differently than you do. Because I think he's a terrific player. Perry Jones, I agree on. Ditto Andrew Nicholson and Kevin Jones. I think Marshall will be a good player in the league, but probably not a star. I see Zeller as a nice backup center for some team. But not a lottery pick. Henson is not now, nor has he ever been one of my favorites, but if I had a lower first round pick, then I might take a flyer on him. I like Meyers Leonard, and I think he has great potential. I agree that he hasn't progressed as much as one would like at Illinois, but then, they just fired the coach, so maybe there was a reason.

I have a lot of issues with Austin Rivers, but he's one of the most talented players in the draft. And, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone take a flyer on him in the first 7 picks. I'm not a big fan of Jae Crowder
 
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Steven Adams runs the floor like a freight train.

This kid is so gonna dominate in collage as long as he can stay on the floor and not be treated as a freshman.. he looks to me even taller then 7'0 tbh - and he has such a wide frame for that age too, just moving people around getting deep position.

Loving how he runs the floor though, that ability for a guy his size and length is so valuable - reminds me of Andrew Bynum how he just seals his man in the paint and gets position.

Willing passer too. he has a good feel for the game offensively.
 
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Steven Adams runs the floor like a freight train.

This kid is so gonna dominate in collage as long as he can stay on the floor and not be treated as a freshman.. he looks to me even taller then 7'0 tbh - and he has such a wide frame for that age too, just moving people around getting deep position.

Loving how he runs the floor though, that ability for a guy his size and length is so valuable - reminds me of Andrew Bynum how he just seals his man in the paint and gets position.

Willing passer too. he has a good feel for the game offensively.
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He's a terrific athlete. They kept raving about Tarczewski, but as far as big men go, I was most impressed with Adams. He didn't score much, but he did a lot of the little things. Noel got into foul trouble and that limited his minutes. He did have his moments though. The players that impressed me the most, in no particular order, were Alex Poythress, Rodney Purvis, Archie Goodman, and Kyle Anderson. Especially Rodney Purvis, who seemed at times to have a twin brother out there.. That dude is lightning quick. Poythress and Goodman are both very good athletes that run the floor well. I can see where Anderson got his nickname of Slow Mo. He appears to be moving in slow motion, but yet gets to where he wants to go.

But the big with the most all around ability was Adams. Austin looks like he weighs abour 90 pounds. Although he scored quite a bit, most of his baskets were dunks off breaks. He hangs on the perimeter too much to suit me. Parker looks like he needs to lose about 30 pounds. It'll be interesting to see how well Anderson and Muhammad fit together. Both guys like to have the ball in their hands. Especially Muhammad, who had, just an OK game.
 
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as a new zealander im really happy with steve adams :) first new zelaander in the NBA i think?? but i havent seen him play ever but having watched vidios and i have a cousin who went to his school in NZ he looks and sounds good
 
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The last thing we need is another young player right now. So my wish for this draft is success at picking some value right now especially as trade bait to acquire some experienced positive help for next season. Hope all this hullabaloo results in increased management effort to improve the team.
 
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The last thing we need is another young player right now. So my wish for this draft is success at picking some value right now especially as trade bait to acquire some experienced positive help for next season. Hope all this hullabaloo results in increased management effort to improve the team.
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I know there those out there that feel this way. But trading a player, that might turn into the next Cousins, impact wise, is really ill advised, unless its an absolute no brainer. And it never is when you trade a draft pick, (an unproven player) for an established (why does his team want to trade him) player. A top draft pick that can contribute, and better yet, fill a need, is the most econonical addition you can make. You have this player for 4 years at a very reduced price.

How much do you think Cousins would go for on the open market right now? A lot more than were paying him for the next two years. Yes, this team needs veteran leadership, but its not an either/or situation. The Thunder are an example of how to build a team. And until recently, the only veteran leadership they had on that team was Nick Collison. Everyone else was young, and most were drafted by them. Teams that are contenders, and basicly have little room on their roster, trade their draft picks. Teams in the cellar should be the last one's to trade their picks. Especially in one of the deepest drafts in years. Veteran leadership should be obtained through either freeagency or trades. Not by giving up your future.
 
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I love Poythress.

Goodwin a little less, looks more like a 2 year player and a work in progress.

But Poythress to me everytime I saw him play looks like a 1 and done kind of guy. this kid is just so built and so athletic - and he can really really D people up.

If he really can translate that defense to the next level for the SF position - he should be a top 10 talent imo without a doubt.

Kentucky are gonna have a load of fun with Noel as the eraser and Goodwin and Poythress running them wings turning defense into offense.
 
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I love Poythress.

Goodwin a little less, looks more like a 2 year player and a work in progress.

But Poythress to me everytime I saw him play looks like a 1 and done kind of guy. this kid is just so built and so athletic - and he can really really D people up.

If he really can translate that defense to the next level for the SF position - he should be a top 10 talent imo without a doubt.

Kentucky are gonna have a load of fun with Noel as the eraser and Goodwin and Poythress running them wings turning defense into offense.
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I hate to get ahead of myself, but I can't wait till next college season to see Poythress develop. Right now, he looks the part of a top tier SF in the NBA. He does have some holes in his game, but who doesn't coming out of highschool. But what an athlete he is. Looks like Calapari has another top defensive team on his hands. I notice that he didn't recruit a PG, and thats a position he didn't have any depth last season using Lamb as Teague's main backup. Makes me wonder if he knows Teague isn't declaring for the draft. I'll have to check UK's bulletin board and see if they have any Jr. college transfers coming in. I know he has Wiltjer coming back, but if Jones declares, and I think he will, then he needs to land Bennett.
 
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He got Ryan Harrow the transfer from NCS to take the PG slot, I feel he will do a fantastic job. that kid is primed for a breakout season.

I think he'll do a better job then Teague did tbh.

Bennett I also think is the final piece to thier puzzel. should lock him up pretty soon and then he got another top team in the making. Bennett has so much skills for a guy his size though right? and he's a suprisingly very good athlete too.

Will be interesting to see what happens if he comes though, I doubt Wiltjer will be a bench player again, I mean the kid is also a top recruit himself.
 
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I think Drummond is perfect for us. His offense is nowhere to be seen at times, but that is fine for our team as we already have a number of strong offensive options. His defense, though, is already very good and he has an NBA-ready body. His shotblocking and defensive prowess could be the turning point for this team. If we could get Drummond, a Drummond/Cousins frontcourt could easily become the most dominant frontcourt for the next decade.
 
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I think Drummond is perfect for us. His offense is nowhere to be seen at times, but that is fine for our team as we already have a number of strong offensive options. His defense, though, is already very good and he has an NBA-ready body. His shotblocking and defensive prowess could be the turning point for this team. If we could get Drummond, a Drummond/Cousins frontcourt could easily become the most dominant frontcourt for the next decade.
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I like Drummond a lot. Hopefully we walk away with either he or Robinson if we don't hit the jackpot and get a top 2 pick. I do however have some concerns about his ability to play the PF in the NBA, and given his atrocious ft %, I'm worried he might never develop much of an offensive game at all. But 29% from the stripe is "hack a Drummond" territory. Think Robinson is the safer pick.
 
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Does anybody else see Drummond as the second coming of Deandre Jordan? I think their games have a lot of similarities. nba body, great athleticism, good shotblocker, good rebounder, lack of offensive skills, poor free throw shooting. I'm sure Drummond has more potential than Jordan did at that time, but I think it would be "safe" to say that he would at least turn out to be a Deandre Jordan type player in the NBA.
 
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I like Drummond a lot. Hopefully we walk away with either he or Robinson if we don't hit the jackpot and get a top 2 pick. I do however have some concerns about his ability to play the PF in the NBA, and given his atrocious ft %, I'm worried he might never develop much of an offensive game at all. But 29% from the stripe is "hack a Drummond" territory. Think Robinson is the safer pick.
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I think DMC and Drummond would kind of split PF/C responsibilities. Neither would be set in stone as the PF or C and would guard opposing PFs and Cs based on matchups. DMC is a pretty good shooter so you wouldn't run into the problem of having 2 horrible big men shooters and just clogging the lane. I didn't know his FT% was that low, but I still don't think that is a deal breaker. Our biggest problem is defense and I think he could be a big help. I am also doubtful of him ever having a great shot, but I think he is still very capable of becoming a very strong low post scorer.
 
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Does anybody else see Drummond as the second coming of Deandre Jordan? I think their games have a lot of similarities. nba body, great athleticism, good shotblocker, good rebounder, lack of offensive skills, poor free throw shooting. I'm sure Drummond has more potential than Jordan did at that time, but I think it would be "safe" to say that he would at least turn out to be a Deandre Jordan type player in the NBA.
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Yes. I just mentioned him in a post a couple days/pages ago in compared to Drummond. he too was marked as a top 3 prospect in his draft and fell like there's no tomorrow as the year went on with his poor displays and red flags eventually making him fall all the way to the 2nd round(and prooved that was wrong btw, he should have never dropped THAT far)

Both of thier situations look so alike to me. Jordan turning out as a solid NBA center eventually works into Drummonds advantage - cause if not I could see him falling near the bottom 10 or even more.

Drummond has extremely low basketball IQ and combines it with the ability to disappear from long stretchs of the game, being an average rebounder(which is just unacceptable for his measurements), and shying away from physical contact although he can outpower anyone he'd like while having almost no motor in his game - and having zero to none offensive game while shooting in the mid 20's from the free throw line.

The risks and red flags you get when watching this kid are ridiculous. he looks like a 15 year kid alot of the times out there.

I'd be absolutely sick to my stomach if we end up drafting a project like Drummond if we get a pretty high pick.
 
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I'm curious how many of you that are in love with Drummond, have seen him play? And if so, how many games? This kid has no idea of how to play even college basketball. He has little or no offense. Could you stick him out there for defense alone? Sure, but he still has to be able to operate on the offensive side of the ball. I'm not saying he can't eventually turn into a good player, but thats the kind of guy you take in the bottom of the first round, or high in the second round. I had these same arguments about Thabeet. I said this kid wasn't ready to play in the NBA. So far, he hasn't proven me wrong.

Now I'll grant you this. Drummond is a far better athlete than Thabeet. And thats in his favor. Jordan is a decent comparison, and in my humble opinion, Jordan still has a ways to go. But he was a second round pick. Therefore, he has value at that pick. I agree whole heartedly with boogie. Drummonds basketball IQ is very low. I don't like hammering on young players, but this guy, along with Perry Jones, really scares me as a high pick.
 
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