It's early, but anybody have a draft wish list yet?
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Now that we got a look at him, can we just trade the pick? 
P.S. We know he can't pass or dribble so just have to avoid those 20 out of 20 and we're good.
Why does Kidd-Gilchrist have such a long name?
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20120325_For_Kentucky_s_Kidd-Gilchrist__family_comes_first.html?page=1&c=y
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20120325_For_Kentucky_s_Kidd-Gilchrist__family_comes_first.html?page=1&c=y
Hey, he might just hit 20 uncontested jumpers out of 20 in two months in front of certain GM and before you know it you're welcoming the guy. Too early to trade the pick.
P.S. We know he can't pass or dribble so just have to avoid those 20 out of 20 and we're good.
P.S. We know he can't pass or dribble so just have to avoid those 20 out of 20 and we're good.
This is not an excuse for Barnes poor game, but I don't think it had much to do with Marshall's absence. Barnes missed wide open shots in the game. Wide open shots are wide open shots, and you still have to make them. Lets see how he does today. Great game by Gilchrist and Davis today. Hopefully Davis is fine.
Bajaden here! Back home tomorrow.
Oh Trust me I know! But, at this point, Kings should do everything they can to get Davis IMO. Whether its preparing a trade for draft night or just sucking to better the odds. A defensive monster with offensive skill like this almost never comes around. Looking ahead at our schedual its very possible we go around 4-14 these last 18 games anyways.
Davis and Cousins would be like Yin & Yang, Both making each other that much better because of their gametypes. PERFECT fit beside each other. We would be contenders for a decade with these two towers.
Davis and Cousins would be like Yin & Yang, Both making each other that much better because of their gametypes. PERFECT fit beside each other. We would be contenders for a decade with these two towers.
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Thing is, Davis remains a real long shot. Everybody knows he's #1 so even if we had the very worst record in the league I think our percentage would only be 25%. So you figure for us, less than 20%. Likely less than 10%.
In fact really I think our entire draft this year is dependent on us doing what we could not in either the Reke or Cousins years: get into the top 3. Because you get down to it I think there may only be 3 guys in the enitre lottery who work for us before you think about maybe trading that pick. You have Davis to fill that defensive PF need. You have Drummond as the Davis alternative (Drummond has high bust potential but intrigues the heck out of me still -- who cares aobut his offense, that's not what we need from him). And you have Kidd-Gilchrist to fill the other need for a defensive SF (assuming Smart does not look at him and think 6'6" PF).
But unless I'm missing something (and I might be as I don't watch much college ball anymore) as soon as you get past those three, the rest of the lottery is filled up with players who simply are NOT what we need. You've just got stubby traditional power forwards who you just can't pair with Cousins and possibly Hayes, long athletic combo SF/PFs who Smart might liek, but who don't use their length on defense which makes them worthless to us. You've got Barnes, who's best trait is his offense, which we do not need. Best thing about him is that he's probably a catch and shoot guy rather than a ball domiantor, but being limited is hardly a recommendation. There are several score first combo guard types in the mix, obviosuly something we have more than enoguh of thanks. And so after the Top 3 what's left? Reach/hope on skinny guys like Henson or Coby Zeller? Going the other way for the unique if pedestrian talent in Marshall? You wait until you see if you hit the Top 3 jackpot, but if you don't, I think you have to seriously start taking offers for that pick. Offers involving proven NBA guys who can fill our defensive holes that is.
In fact really I think our entire draft this year is dependent on us doing what we could not in either the Reke or Cousins years: get into the top 3. Because you get down to it I think there may only be 3 guys in the enitre lottery who work for us before you think about maybe trading that pick. You have Davis to fill that defensive PF need. You have Drummond as the Davis alternative (Drummond has high bust potential but intrigues the heck out of me still -- who cares aobut his offense, that's not what we need from him). And you have Kidd-Gilchrist to fill the other need for a defensive SF (assuming Smart does not look at him and think 6'6" PF).
But unless I'm missing something (and I might be as I don't watch much college ball anymore) as soon as you get past those three, the rest of the lottery is filled up with players who simply are NOT what we need. You've just got stubby traditional power forwards who you just can't pair with Cousins and possibly Hayes, long athletic combo SF/PFs who Smart might liek, but who don't use their length on defense which makes them worthless to us. You've got Barnes, who's best trait is his offense, which we do not need. Best thing about him is that he's probably a catch and shoot guy rather than a ball domiantor, but being limited is hardly a recommendation. There are several score first combo guard types in the mix, obviosuly something we have more than enoguh of thanks. And so after the Top 3 what's left? Reach/hope on skinny guys like Henson or Coby Zeller? Going the other way for the unique if pedestrian talent in Marshall? You wait until you see if you hit the Top 3 jackpot, but if you don't, I think you have to seriously start taking offers for that pick. Offers involving proven NBA guys who can fill our defensive holes that is.
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I agree with alot of what you just said, especially with outside of those 3 it is extremely tough for us. Although I think Henson can fit for us, I think he can still be an elite shotblocker at the NBA level, of course not like Davis though. And yes he does need to put on some weight, but I think Davis obviously the best choice then MKG, Drummond, and in my opinion throw Henson in there.
Id prolly take Henson over Drummond.. I would have to consider Barnes as well as a pick. But there arent alot of other guys in the draft the entice me as a Kingsfan. I would try and package the pick with some young talent and get Davis if we're out of the top 5.
***EDIT actually i'd try and package it if we end up with anything other then the top pick
***EDIT actually i'd try and package it if we end up with anything other then the top pick
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We can't trade our draft pick unless I'm confused. I suggested this very same trade about a month ago and got little if any response. I think Davis is special however. He is not a Kwame Brown.
Interesting that you'd pick Henson over Drummond as most mock drafts don't have them anywhere near each other. I agree with you though especially for the Kings. Drummond is huge and I think also a bit lazy. He has depended on his size and done very little work or so it appears. His free throw shooting percentage is 30%!!! I think Henson will fill out and be a moderate, at least, defensive force. Look at Daly's body and I think this is what he will eventually look like.
Interesting that you'd pick Henson over Drummond as most mock drafts don't have them anywhere near each other. I agree with you though especially for the Kings. Drummond is huge and I think also a bit lazy. He has depended on his size and done very little work or so it appears. His free throw shooting percentage is 30%!!! I think Henson will fill out and be a moderate, at least, defensive force. Look at Daly's body and I think this is what he will eventually look like.
I believe Henson is a good 2 inches shorter than Dalembert but I suppose we will see once the combine rolls around. I think what impresses me most about Henson is his offense - his jumper is quite nice and he's got a nifty little turnaround that he has a lot of confidence in. We already know he can play defense, and he's got maybe a top 20% motor (obviously something that cannot be said of Drummond). I think he can be a real solid player, and I wouldn't be disappointed if we drafted him.
Still, I'd love to address the 3, and outside of MKG (who even then is probably a bit smaller than ideal) there's not a lot to love there. Barnes has mostly disappointed me when I've watched him, and after that you're either looking at guys that are probably more 4s than 3s (T. Jones, P. Jones) or digging real deep. I think Quincy Miller would be best served to go back for another year of school, and after that I guess you're talking about a guy like Jeff Taylor (who I can't seem to convince myself is starter material, though I would be happy to be wrong) or a grab-bag of later first-round guys like Moe Harkless or maybe Mike Moser or LeBryan Nash. I don't know, I'm just afraid that this draft isn't going to be the shot in the arm that we all hoped it would be, because the talent in general doesn't seem to match our needs. Maybe we can pull out the wallets and pry Batum away from Portland, it seems to be our best hope outside of hitting in the lottery.
Still, I'd love to address the 3, and outside of MKG (who even then is probably a bit smaller than ideal) there's not a lot to love there. Barnes has mostly disappointed me when I've watched him, and after that you're either looking at guys that are probably more 4s than 3s (T. Jones, P. Jones) or digging real deep. I think Quincy Miller would be best served to go back for another year of school, and after that I guess you're talking about a guy like Jeff Taylor (who I can't seem to convince myself is starter material, though I would be happy to be wrong) or a grab-bag of later first-round guys like Moe Harkless or maybe Mike Moser or LeBryan Nash. I don't know, I'm just afraid that this draft isn't going to be the shot in the arm that we all hoped it would be, because the talent in general doesn't seem to match our needs. Maybe we can pull out the wallets and pry Batum away from Portland, it seems to be our best hope outside of hitting in the lottery.
Drummond had arguably the best season defensively of any freshman in the last 5 years not named Greg Oden or Anthony Davis. He often played PF next to Oriakhi and didn't look lost on perimeter. I remember the way he started the season he played better with every game and then started his infamous FT slump coupled with Calhoun's illness. So you're coach, you have a bigman who's your best defender but shoots 25% from FT line. What role do you designate for him? Bang inside and get a lot on the line or set screens and hunt for offensive boards? Drummond often threw quick awkward shots toward the rim after the offensive rebound to avoid getting to the line.
Yes, he has a huge problem that he needs to fix to have a career but there seem to be some mitigating sircumstances. link
Yes, he has a huge problem that he needs to fix to have a career but there seem to be some mitigating sircumstances. link
Liek I say he intrigues the heck out of me. More than intrigues. He's an exciting prospect and people who point to the offense are missing the point. We don't need ANY offense from that spot. Of all the teams likely to be in the high lottery we are maybe the best positioned because we don't need to draft a franchise player this time. In fact even if we did, we would have to give him up in 4 years because we couldn't pay for everybody. We have specific needs for a great mobile defensive big and a defensive SF. So Drummond's lack of offense jsut is not a concern for me. Best thing he does on offense? Offensively rebound, run the floor, and flush it. That's perfect. Why on Earth would we need another guy capable of calling for the ball and going 1 on 1?
That said its the intangibles/potential laziness that from a distance make him look risky. Nonetheless a 6'11" 250lb shotblocker with the mobility to chase PFs out to the perimiter, to play the pick and roll etc.? That's perfect. I am in no way upset if we get an athletic beast like that. Much more NBA ready phsycially than any of the skinny guys. Just neck up I am not sure about.
That said its the intangibles/potential laziness that from a distance make him look risky. Nonetheless a 6'11" 250lb shotblocker with the mobility to chase PFs out to the perimiter, to play the pick and roll etc.? That's perfect. I am in no way upset if we get an athletic beast like that. Much more NBA ready phsycially than any of the skinny guys. Just neck up I am not sure about.
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