Geoff Petrie

#2
I think that the budget restraints or lack of budget especially when they were considering moving may have had a hand in who he was able to acquire?
Be not so quick to judge maybe??
 

Tetsujin

The Game Thread Dude
#5
I don't fault the Hayes signing. We saw tonight what he can do with his absolute shutdown of Blake in the 3rd.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#8
Hayes gets slammed far too often on this board and it's really quite sad.
Opportunity cost. He's done little, he costs us a lot of money, and of course we may have lost Dalembert to get him.

If he was signed for the vet min and we had retained Daly in the process he wouldn't get nearly the attention.
 

The_Jamal

Hall of Famer
#9
Opportunity cost. He's done little, he costs us a lot of money, and of course we may have lost Dalembert to get him.

If he was signed for the vet min and we had retained Daly in the process he wouldn't get nearly the attention.
I'll never understand the love affair with an average NBA player like Dalembert. Chuck Hayes when healthy (like the first 5 games of the year) is a superior talent to Dally.
 

SacTownKid

Hall of Famer
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Opportunity cost. He's done little, he costs us a lot of money, and of course we may have lost Dalembert to get him.

If he was signed for the vet min and we had retained Daly in the process he wouldn't get nearly the attention.

Misuse comes in many shades and forms but it remains just the same. If the idea was to fill up the backup C spot then yes, Daly would have been a much better choice (not that he'd even consider it), but Hayes was brought in to play with Cousins. Yet, he rarely plays with Cousins and is used almost exclusively as the bridge between Cousins sightings. Why? Why do you double team Blake Griffin for almost the entire game, get killed time and time again on the perimeter for it, and you have a guy brought in to ensure you don't have to double every time on a player like that sitting on the bench who comes in to do nothing more than box out the other teams backup 7 footer? What a waste.

Not that Hayes can't spot minutes at C, but he's being used completely wrong and out of position for this team.
 
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Misuse comes in many shades and forms but it remains just the same. If the idea was to fill up the backup C spot then yes, Daly would have been a much better choice (not that he'd even consider it), but Hayes was brought in to play with Cousins. Yet, he rarely plays with Cousins and is used almost exclusively as the bridge between Cousins sightings. Why? Why do you double team Blake Griffin for almost the entire game, get killed time and time again on the perimeter for it, and you have a guy brought in to ensure you don't have to double every time on a player like that sitting on the bench who comes in to do nothing more than box out the other teams backup 7 footer? What a waste.

Not that Hayes can't spot minutes at C, but he's being used completely wrong and out of position for this team.
Yea that too. Hayes also plays a majority of his minutes with Hickson which doesn't show his true worth to the team. Cut Hickson out of the rotation, let Hayes get 25ish minutes as the back-up PF/C and we'll see start seeing the production we got before he got hurt
 
#13
You also have to give Geoff credit. He drafted Cousins, Reke, and IT. He traded for Thornton. Over the last 3 years I would say he has been a net positive on the team. The team is better now than it has been in the last 3 years even though we don't have a SF and we have a coach who doesn't seem to understand how subs work.
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#15
I'll never understand the love affair with an average NBA player like Dalembert. Chuck Hayes when healthy (like the first 5 games of the year) is a superior talent to Dally.
I remain amused at that delusion, and it just keeps cropping up. I don't know that Chuck Hayes does one single thing better than Samuel Dalembert except pass. Man defense is his best other claim, but they're both effective against different sorts of players.

Meanwhile Daly is a prototypical member of a very long and very decorated history of shotblockers/big rebounders in the NBA. You find them on nearly every good team. And then you have the line of 6'6" groundbound bigs...who typically you find on lottery teams. We're like a charity. One Kenny Thomas finally came off the books we didn't feel comfortable without giving to another one.
 
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You also have to give Geoff credit. He drafted Cousins, Reke, and IT. He traded for Thornton. Over the last 3 years I would say he has been a net positive on the team. The team is better now than it has been in the last 3 years even though we don't have a SF and we have a coach who doesn't seem to understand how subs work.
Shoulder shrug. 2 really, really strong draft picks and one very late steal plus Thornton were nice moves. Every other move so far is basically crap as is any semblance of a balanced well thought out roster.

But the moves he made were very important ones.
 
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Shoulder shrug. 2 really, really strong draft picks and one very late steal plus Thornton were nice moves. Every other move so far is basically crap as is any semblance of a balanced well thought out roster.
Believe me I am not saying Geoff has done anything more than a mediocre job. I have been as critical of him as anyone. This last off-season was horrendous. All I am saying is we could be worse off than we currently are. Imagine if we whiffed on the DMC pick. Now we are in a place where one or two of the correct moves will improve the team dramatically. And we have the pieces to make the trades we need.
 
#18
I don't fault the Hayes signing. We saw tonight what he can do with his absolute shutdown of Blake in the 3rd.
hayes is garbagee he didnt shut no one down he got outrebounded like always and cant do nothing about it he had a good play or 2 but always just having a good play or 2 is not gona cut it....
 
#19
I remain amused at that delusion, and it just keeps cropping up. I don't know that Chuck Hayes does one single thing better than Samuel Dalembert except pass. Man defense is his best other claim, but they're both effective against different sorts of players.

Meanwhile Daly is a prototypical member of a very long and very decorated history of shotblockers/big rebounders in the NBA. You find them on nearly every good team. And then you have the line of 6'6" groundbound bigs...who typically you find on lottery teams. We're like a charity. One Kenny Thomas finally came off the books we didn't feel comfortable without giving to another one.
I also remain amused by people thinking Dalembert was any good on the Kings or even made any sort of positive impact on those Sixer teams

How many good teams has Dalembert been on? On what occasion has his "defensive presence" impacted the defensive nature of the team like a Chandler/Dwight/Bynum or even DeAndre Jordan? He is what he is: A solid defensive center who plays 24 minutes a game and has one of the worst B-ball IQ's in basketball.
 
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I also remain amused by people thinking Dalembert was any good on the Kings or even made any sort of positive impact on those Sixer teams

How many good teams has Dalembert been on? On what occasion has his "defensive presence" impacted the defensive nature of the team like a Chandler/Dwight/Bynum or even DeAndre Jordan? He is what he is: A solid defensive center who plays 24 minutes a game and has one of the worst B-ball IQ's in basketball.
sammy slamy was way bette then hayes no ? asked he never missed easy gimmy lay ups sammy would slam dunk that sh*t,he also wouldnt get outrebounded,sammy also blockd lots of shot s in big moments how can u think hayes is better then sammy was hayes aways gets scored on and outrebounded cause hes playing center at 6"6 thats ugly!
 

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
#24
Yep. Supporting the high b-ball IQ, better man defender, more efficient offensive player, FAR better teammate over Dalembert shows my lack of knowledge for the game

Load of hooey. High b-ball IQ at Chuck's level means you don't belong in the league but have somehow made some money doing it anyway. More efficient offensive player as you have been called on repeatedly is a flat out intentional distortion by you. It was a one year blurb, much like this year has been for Chuck. Better man defender is debateable. Better team defender is not. Weaker rebounder. Finisher. Post player. BASKETBALL player.

Thing is you will never admit that. Never never. Simply impossible once you hve bought into hype of one sort or another. You become invested and the situation on the ground no longer is relevant. Daly is off dopig his thing again, as he always has. One of the top per minute rebounders/shotblockers int eh game, as always. Starting again, as always. Playing center for the same team that Chuck played center for last year, with most of the same teammates. Team is averaging 8 fewer points against it. But none of that can matter once you've invested int eh opposing storyline. Chuck is, or at least has been, better than he's shown. He's also never going to be better than 6'6" and groundbound playing a tall man's game.
 
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Load of hooey. High b-ball IQ at Chuck's level means you don't belong in the league but have somehow made some money doing it anyway. More efficient offensive player as you have been called on repeatedly is a flat out intentional distortion by you. It was a one year blurb, much like this year has been for Chuck. Better man defender is debateable. Better team defender is not. Weaker rebounder. Finisher. Post player. BASKETBALL player.

Thing is you will never admit that. Never never. Simply impossible once you hve bought into hype of one sort or another. You become invested and the situation on the ground no longer is relevant. Daly is off dopig his thing again, as he always has. One of the top per minute rebounders/shotblockers int eh game, as always. Starting again, as always. Playing center for the same team that Chuck played center for last year, with most of the same teammates. Team is averaging 8 fewer points against it. But none of that can matter once you've invested int eh opposing storyline. Chuck is, or at least has been, better than he's shown. He's also never going to be better than 6'6" and groundbound playing a tall man's game.
Nope. Chucks better because he wanted to be here, everybody likes him better and he doesnt want to ever shoot a jumper. Duh
 
#26
It would have been nice of Dalembert stayed but that doesn't mean the Chuckwagon is garbage. There's very little I know of how the Kings do in practice but I could easily see in DMC's progress how the Chuckwagon is contributing to this team.

Check out how Cuz is improving at getting the correct charges and setting the right screen and positioning down low for those offensive rebounds. And check out Chuck Hayes.

And BTW, shutting down a player, IMO, doesn't mean blocking every damn shot. In Chuck's world it's simply putting the player away from his comfort zone.
 
#28
It would have been nice of Dalembert stayed but that doesn't mean the Chuckwagon is garbage. There's very little I know of how the Kings do in practice but I could easily see in DMC's progress how the Chuckwagon is contributing to this team.

Check out how Cuz is improving at getting the correct charges and setting the right screen and positioning down low for those offensive rebounds. And check out Chuck Hayes.

And BTW, shutting down a player, IMO, doesn't mean blocking every damn shot. In Chuck's world it's simply putting the player away from his comfort zone.
I dont know why this has to be repeated so often. A centers job, more than any other player on the court, is to assist in team defense by detering players from driving to the lane. They generally do this by blocking shots and intimidating others. This was dally's (and others like him) strength. Its a strength that most nba championship contenders for the last 30 years have valued. They mae everyone else's job easier. Chuck has never been good at that, because he is the same height as cisco and groundbound at that.
 
#29
GP asked Westphal what he could do and Westphal said get Hickson and Salmons.... Can you really blame Westphal for that?
Westphal or petrie? I blame petrie in either case. He's the gm. You dont ask a questionable coach on thin ice to make the calls in one of the most important offseasons in team history. And if you do to show support, you dont listen if his request is garbage. I ask my employees their perspectives all the time. Sometimes the ideas are great. Sometimes they suck and i graciously ignore them. But I have my job for a reason and I don't hide behind an excuse that my employee made me make bad decisions.

We praise geoff for shedding contracts for nothing in return after the dark years. So lets think about this gem. We traded salmons while he was putting up pretty impressive numbers on a 4M/year contract for nothing. The 3 years later traded our best floor leader for an older, slower and in no way improved version making 8M/year with a year longer deal than when we had him. He then compounded that problem by spending 3M/ year on his backup outlaw when he could have likely locked up dally or ak47 with that extra money.
 
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If we're talking about Petrie's mistakes, he sure does have a bunch of them within the last couple years. The biggest one of recent memory is Jimmer Fredette and John Salmons. Why we didn't simply stay in our shoes and draft Brandon Knight, I'll never know. He fell right too us, and we had to screw the whole thing up with a deal that makes ZERO sense. Petrie thinking that Jimmer could play point guard is a joke too. Almost as bad was taking Tyreke over Curry or Rubio. Sure, Curry has his injury issues, and Rubio had the whole overseas thing, but it appears that good things come to those that wait. Rubio and Curry are LEGIT point guards, while Tyreke is a player without a position. Tyreke isn't a PG, and his outside shot isn't consistent enough for a SG. He's a bit undersized at SF, and he needs the ball to really be effective.

The worst thing that could possibly happen was Tyreke having the rookie year that he had. It turned out to be fools gold.