Geoff Petrie

[Anthony1]

Had Salmons not fallen off a cliff (which nobody could have predicted) it wouldn't look like a bad trade at all.

Actually, at the time the trade happened, everybody on these boards were scratching their heads about the trade. Everybody thought that there would be another trade to follow, because it didn't make any sense to bring a black hole onto a team that already had several black holes.

That's all anybody talked about at the time. We kept thinking another trade was going to happen at any moment, and then when we found out that the move wasn't to facilitate another trade, everyone was pretty much dumbfounded.

 

[sdballer]

I've got three numbers for you: 1177, 621, 7. What are they? Minutes played on the season for Knight, Fredette, and Whiteside, respectively. Your argument that per-minutes stats are misleading is...misleading - because you used an incredibly small sample size which you darn well know was gathered exclusively in garbage time.

Yes, Jimmer is struggling with his dribble, but his TO% is less than Knight's! The two have per-minute and advanced stats that are very similar. Knight is not playing because he's "producing". He's playing because he's the second-best guard on his team. Meanwhile, Jimmer is the fourth-best guard on our team, so he gets fewer minutes.

So you believe jimmer is having as successful a season as knight or that if the situations were reversed that knight would be buried on our bench and jimmer would be averaging 30+ minutes/game?

You're actually illustrating my point that per minute production is only useful in the context of each players situation. You can't really use stats like that to illustrate your point, then dismiss its relavancy because it can lack context. And the context of jimmer's situation, especially in regards to this trade is that at best, he was going to be the third guard when they could have just:

A. Drafted a better third guard
B. Kept the 3rd guard they had(beno) and drafted for a different need
C. Still drafted jimmer, kept beno and not taken on sour faced salmons albatross of a deal. Let jimmer have time to learn and move beno when he was ready. Use the extra couple million plus outlaws deal to ge a legit starting 3.

Any one of those options would have been preferable to what they did.

 

[SacTownKid]

Hayes is an okay player, but how far can you get in the NBA with a 6'6" center? Dalembert toward the end of the year especially was not only a great defender and rebouder, but started to have some serious offense especially late in games. I miss the guy. He was steady, but sometimes quiet on offense.

I agree about losing Knight, and we almost had a shot at Irving. Don't give up on Evans. Help him become a better point forward. Good to see Jimmer gain some confidence last night.

The Clippers game was telling. At home we got 100 points, which is enough to beat a lot of teams most nights. We gave up 110 or so. A ten percent improvement in the defense against an elite team puts the Kings right in there in a competitive position.

Don't know, last I heard the Kings brought in a 6'6" stopper/role player to play next to their 6'11" center. And that is the primary issue at hand. You bring in Hayes to defend the other teams best frontcourt scorer and since bascially shutting down Aldridge a few weeks ago, he's rarely seen on the floor at the same time as any who meets those qualfications. Dumb.

 

[sdballer]

Hmmm...seemed to do awfully well playing next to Cousins early in the year. Wonder what changed? Not to mention the whole shoulder thing but nah, that couldn't have anything to do with it huh.

Daly was NOT a great fit next to Cousins for pretty much every reason I pointed out above. This team gives up nothing with Chuck and Cuz out on the floor at the same time, and early in the year, the only respectable thing about the team was the interior defense between them and the board work.

We started the season 2-5 and were getting killed on points in the paint. If you dont think we give up anything with chuck and cousins on the floor on interior d and boards, clearly you'd agree that dally and cousins were even better, right?

Nope, im guessing you'll argue that hayes is an amazing p&r defender, a swell guy and the best passing center under 6'7" since...nobody because nobody gives a flying f about starting undersized bigs that pass well