Tyreke over Rubio(it has to be said)
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What I don't get, is guys you'd trade Reke for in Jennings and Wall, among others, have absolutely stunk themselves in many of the games they've played this year. It's shockingly common for players at this age to be inconsistent, especially with opposing defenses geared towards them nightly. Yet you want to trade one inconsistent youngster for another, as if that solves the inconsistency problem.
The only thing Tyreke can't do is shoot. He has the ability to be able to help in multiple ways when he's not scoring well. He can defend, pass, rebound for his position etc.. He's 22, if you don't understand how young that is for an NBA player then that's your problem. He will figure it out eventually. Claiming that he can't help a team when he's not scoring is silly given his talent.
Yes, but my problem with your analysis is that it seems you've given up on him. I'm not denying that he's had some very poor games, and I'm certainly not going to let things fly just because he's our player. But you have to recognise his talent. He's still very young, time is on his side and it would be idiotic to give up on him or trade him just because he's having some bad games, especially in a season like this where many teams are struggling. Ours, in particular, has had way too much to deal with to have reached our lofty pre-season expectations.
I never doubted his talent. I doubt his mentality, drive, basketball IQ, conditioning, etc. I haven't fully given up on him yet but I'm getting close. Every time he dazzles us with a great game, it seems like he follows it it up with a string of duds. At some point you have to start questioning whether he's ever going to put it all together and be a consistent NBA player. Furthermore, it's not like I've suggested trading him for chopped liver.
That's somewhat fair IMO. At least I can understand where you're coming from when you voice those concerns, even if I don't necessarily agree completely with them. But again, I think 22 is far too young to be voicing such strong displeasure, especially considering the crazy season we're in the midst of.
Would you agree that if he doesn't play consistently good in the second half of the season with the lighter schedule, more home games, more practice time, etc. that it's time for concern? I'm willing to accept that maybe he's just caught up in the funk of a brutal start but the schedule is starting to get a lot easier now, so that excuse won't work for much longer.
Possibly, it's difficult to answer that question without seeing how exactly he's playing in them. This season is a weird one, and all the young guys are inevitably hurt by lack of training camp, coaching changes, compressed schedule and everything else that has gone on. He just needs to become a little more consistent, which I think will happen once the schedule eases up. I don't think the team is as good as people thought, and people are upset with some of the junk we've seen. Losing Dalembert hurt, and it annoys the hell out of me that Petrie ignores the need for a defensive anchor. We may actually be seeing what we originally thought we would if we had him in there next to Cousins. No point day dreaming about that, though.
8 or 9 dimes with 6 or 7 turnovers?!
Really getting it done there!
Wall is going to be a star no doubt about it but lets not make it out like he is this hot prospect that even when he struggles he is productive because that is simply not true. When he is struggling he looks flat out terrible as his turnovers seem to sky rocket every time he is struggling.
Really getting it done there!
Wall is going to be a star no doubt about it but lets not make it out like he is this hot prospect that even when he struggles he is productive because that is simply not true. When he is struggling he looks flat out terrible as his turnovers seem to sky rocket every time he is struggling.
Look at the game logs. When Wall is ON, his TOs are well down. However, when he has down games where he looks flat our terrible, he tends to pile up TOs as often as assists. On good days he will give you 9 or 10 assits and 2 or 3 TOs but when he stinks it up, assists numbers tend to get down to the 7 or 8 and TOs up to 5 or 6. Thats the point I was trying to make. I loke Wall and think he will be an absolute superstar but his bad games can be flat out terrible and his TOs tend to take a big increase in those games.
I posted this in the NBA thread, but thought this would be a good thread to put it in as well. Hoops Consultants did a nice break down of Rubio's game that I thought many here would find interesting
http://www.hoopconsultants.com/2012/01/breakdown-and-analysis-of-ricky-rubio/
http://www.hoopconsultants.com/2012/01/breakdown-and-analysis-of-ricky-rubio/
Kobe went one pick before we took Peja. I've seen later indications that we would have taken Kobe had he fallen that one extra spot, but who really knows?
Edit: Well, obviously Iverson was NOT available at our pick (though Nash was) so you probably weren't talking about who you would have taken with our pick, just as the #1 overall guy. Never mind.
Edit: Well, obviously Iverson was NOT available at our pick (though Nash was) so you probably weren't talking about who you would have taken with our pick, just as the #1 overall guy. Never mind.
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I've seen a little bit of Rubio this year and he looks good. So does Tyreke. After reading this thread I would have assumed Rubio's stats would smash Evans' but instead I found his FG % to be a whopping .384. Accounting for his assists, 3 pt shot, Evans defense, overall stats in general for both players, and the teams they play for, I'd say these players are statistically equal. Even their +/- is the same. I do not wish we chose Rubio over Evans because Evans is what any team covets in the final 10 seconds of the last game of the Finals.